Naruto > Hashirama

[TheSages456]

Trees are not redirecting rasen-shurikens.

yes they are. believe what you want though.

 

[narutownsyouall]

You guys unless we see more from hashirama (we will see a lot) Naruto wins this. Naruto is really good and with the fox not only does he have more chakra but a better insight to Hashirama and more speed and physical force.

 

[iMicLykTyson]

depends if they can redirect a tbb the they he can deflect a rasenshuriken, but we haven't seen hirashima redirect a tbb :shrug: but it is possible to redirect rasenshuriken

 

[Ryuu..]

depends if they can redirect a tbb the they he can deflect a rasenshuriken, but we haven't seen hirashima redirect a tbb :shrug: but it is possible to redirect rasenshuriken

I personally do not think trees are an adequate defence for rasen-shurikens. Hashirama's wood may or may not have been able to deflect TBB, we can't be sure of this fact. But as far as trees go, they are trees and can be easily destroyed.

 

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[Raito]

I personally do not think trees are an adequate defence for rasen-shurikens. Hashirama's wood may or may not have been able to deflect TBB, we can't be sure of this fact. But as far as trees go, they are trees and can be easily destroyed.

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Naruto used all of Kuramas Chakra in order to only stop a weaker version of Madaras Mokuton. The Mokuton is an incredible offense and thus a defense as well. Not only the impact from those Mokuton techniques by themselves are immense, Hashirama changes the whole landscape into his element, giving him a big advantage - He can control and use the created forest as well, use the flowers of his tree world and hide himself in his trees as well. It's easier said than done to destroy this forest. Even Madaras meteors were not really huge compared to the tree world Madara created, and not only Hashirama could create little forests at any time again, he's also able to control the trees which got destroyed as well.

Further, he can use Tajuu Mokuton Bunshins, which are more effective than normal Kage Bunshins. Kage Bunshins are staying Kage Bunshins (Kage=Shadow) which can disappear by a single blow. The Tajuu Mokuton Bunshins on the other hand are way sturdier and can be used to a range the normal Bunshins don't even work.

Then we have the already mentioned recovery. He can heal his wounds without even forming hand seals, even huge wounds caused by Susanoo (Tsunade as an example).

Not without reason he was called fairy tale, not without reason a bunch of people chased for his powers, he was truly incredible.

And let's be honest. We all know Sasuke with his EMS will be an equal to Naruto because of the story line. Sasuke possesses the same powers like Madara but on a certainly lower level, since Madara was really praised as a legend, whose name itself transmitted power. And after all Hashirama was superior to him though he used the Kyuubi in his complete stage (before the death demon god sealed away a part of his power).

You going to underestimate Hashirama, he's superior to Naruto, also he's superior to Nagato.

 

[Dantee]

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Naruto used all of Kuramas Chakra in order to only stop a weaker version of Madaras Mokuton. The Mokuton is an incredible offense and thus a defense as well. Not only the impact from those Mokuton techniques by themselves are immense, Hashirama changes the whole landscape into his element, giving him a big advantage - He can control and use the created forest as well, use the flowers of his tree world and hide himself in his trees as well. It's easier said than done to destroy this forest. Even Madaras meteors were not really huge compared to the tree world Madara created, and not only Hashirama could create little forests at any time again, he's also able to control the trees which got destroyed as well.

Further, he can use Tajuu Mokuton Bunshins, which are more effective than normal Kage Bunshins. Kage Bunshins are staying Kage Bunshins (Kage=Shadow) which can disappear by a single blow. The Tajuu Mokuton Bunshins on the other hand are way sturdier and can be used to a range the normal Bunshins don't even work.

Then we have the already mentioned recovery. He can heal his wounds without even forming hand seals, even huge wounds caused by Susanoo (Tsunade as an example).

Not without reason he was called fairy tale, not without reason a bunch of people chased for his powers, he was truly incredible.

And let's be honest. We all know Sasuke with his EMS will be an equal to Naruto because of the story line. Sasuke possesses the same powers like Madara but on a certainly lower level, since Madara was really praised as a legend, whose name itself transmitted power. And after all Hashirama was superior to him though he used the Kyuubi in his complete stage (before the death demon god sealed away a part of his power).

You going to underestimate Hashirama, he's superior to Naruto, also he's superior to Nagato.

I agreed with everything until you said he's surperior to Nagato. That's a no no. :flaw:

 

[raju22]

If it was only between naruto (using all power) V.S Hashirama then i would say hashirama will win this coz he has more battle experience then naruto and he is smarter then him.

But here we are talking about naruto+Kurama together and kurama actually knows about most of the hashiramas jutsu since he fought him and has more knowledge on him so it is safe to assume that he knows how to counter them, and on the other hand hashi has nothing on naruto since he never fought him.

And in actual combat knowledge is the biggest weapon so i think Naruto+Kurama (seald inside him) will beat hashirama with mid-high dificulty.

 

[Raito]

I agreed with everything until you said he's surperior to Nagato. That's a no no. :flaw:

Hashirama beat a master of the Sharingan with the complete Kurama, something Nagato couldn't do.

 

[Ryuu..]

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Naruto used all of Kuramas Chakra in order to only stop a weaker version of Madaras Mokuton. The Mokuton is an incredible offense and thus a defense as well. Not only the impact from those Mokuton techniques by themselves are immense, Hashirama changes the whole landscape into his element, giving him a big advantage - He can control and use the created forest as well, use the flowers of his tree world and hide himself in his trees as well. It's easier said than done to destroy this forest. Even Madaras meteors were not really huge compared to the tree world Madara created, and not only Hashirama could create little forests at any time again, he's also able to control the trees which got destroyed as well.

Further, he can use Tajuu Mokuton Bunshins, which are more effective than normal Kage Bunshins. Kage Bunshins are staying Kage Bunshins (Kage=Shadow) which can disappear by a single blow. The Tajuu Mokuton Bunshins on the other hand are way sturdier and can be used to a range the normal Bunshins don't even work.

Then we have the already mentioned recovery. He can heal his wounds without even forming hand seals, even huge wounds caused by Susanoo (Tsunade as an example).

Not without reason he was called fairy tale, not without reason a bunch of people chased for his powers, he was truly incredible.

And let's be honest. We all know Sasuke with his EMS will be an equal to Naruto because of the story line. Sasuke possesses the same powers like Madara but on a certainly lower level, since Madara was really praised as a legend, whose name itself transmitted power. And after all Hashirama was superior to him though he used the Kyuubi in his complete stage (before the death demon god sealed away a part of his power).

You going to underestimate Hashirama, he's superior to Naruto, also he's superior to Nagato.

The Naruto we're watching now is worn out after fighting for so long. A fully rested Naruto would be so OP it's not even funny. Naruto used Rasengans to destroy those trees, Rasen-Shurikens would definately do the job. Moreover, Hashirama can create as big a forest as he likes but, as I said, the raw power released from a fully rested BM Naruto could blitz half of the forests Hashirama creates:

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I am still under the impression that Sasuke will need another power up in order to be equal to Naruto. In my eyes, Naruto and his clones would spank Sasuke left right and centre. Let's not forget, Naruto's clones have been beating Kage level shinobi:

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Let me emphasis the actual power of Naruto. You should actually realise how HAX this character is, he's got clones beating Kages. His clones can go into Sage Mode. His clones can go into Kyuubi Mode. I cannot believe that Hashirama can defeat BM + 15 KM clones + a few SM clones. He may have been regarded as a fairy tale, but Naruto is possibly one of the most OP characters we've ever seen.

 

[Red Slayer]

Hashirama>Naruto

 

[Raito]

Sasuke will get the same powerup Madara had - the EMS. According to Itachi, the EMS gives you true power. Not only you gain eternal light, no, with the EMS you gain a whole new eye power (according to Itachi a whole new DouJutsu was created). Of course Naruto is really haxxed, but Hashirama is also. The difference between those two is really small, but the difference between those two is that we haven't seen Hashiramas full power at all. But consider he beat the legendary Madara who used the full Kyuubi, let assume that he was more than just a beast.

And no, his KM clones were actually not on a Kage level. Not only Naruto got help and protection from other shinobis, he got some informations from the Hachibi who already fought the Sandaime Raikage.

Hashirama on the other hand is superior to the 5 current kages together. Madara call his fight against them a game which is no comparison to Hashirama, who was truly a powerful opponent. The Kages have already problems with overcoming one technique from Madara. Once he used one Mokuton technique, he could crush all Kages at once.

And Hashirama can do clones as well, like Madara did, 5 clones for every Kage. Narutos KM Clones are superior to normal Kage Bunshins, but also the Tajuu Mokuton Bunshins.

Imo the difference between those two is very small, especially 'cause we lack knowledge about Hashiramas full potential, but still I think he's superior. But actually ppl love holding debates about Characters whose potential wasn't shown, like Tobirama and EMS Madara, when saying Nagato eats Madara with mid difficult because the shown MS techniques won't work.

 

[MadaraHashirama]

Hashirama is overrated, especially in this forum, too many fanboys.
Naruto would destroy Hashirama, Hashirama is more on Kakashi's level, perhaps lower... I'd say about as strong as TenTen, but if they would have a one on one then yes TenTen has this one.

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Naruto used all of Kuramas Chakra in order to only stop a weaker version of Madaras Mokuton. The Mokuton is an incredible offense and thus a defense as well. Not only the impact from those Mokuton techniques by themselves are immense, Hashirama changes the whole landscape into his element, giving him a big advantage - He can control and use the created forest as well, use the flowers of his tree world and hide himself in his trees as well. It's easier said than done to destroy this forest. Even Madaras meteors were not really huge compared to the tree world Madara created, and not only Hashirama could create little forests at any time again, he's also able to control the trees which got destroyed as well.

Further, he can use Tajuu Mokuton Bunshins, which are more effective than normal Kage Bunshins. Kage Bunshins are staying Kage Bunshins (Kage=Shadow) which can disappear by a single blow. The Tajuu Mokuton Bunshins on the other hand are way sturdier and can be used to a range the normal Bunshins don't even work.

Then we have the already mentioned recovery. He can heal his wounds without even forming hand seals, even huge wounds caused by Susanoo (Tsunade as an example).

Not without reason he was called fairy tale, not without reason a bunch of people chased for his powers, he was truly incredible.

And let's be honest. We all know Sasuke with his EMS will be an equal to Naruto because of the story line. Sasuke possesses the same powers like Madara but on a certainly lower level, since Madara was really praised as a legend, whose name itself transmitted power. And after all Hashirama was superior to him though he used the Kyuubi in his complete stage (before the death demon god sealed away a part of his power).

You going to underestimate Hashirama, he's superior to Naruto, also he's superior to Nagato.

This. I can't agree with you more and this isn't the only post I agree with Raito however about the Nagato thing you might want to edit that out because people get butthurt because of it, I'm very certain Hashirama is superior to Nagato but because we don't know what Hashirama fully is capable of people will say Nagato is stronger, because people think this is all Hashirama can do...:sy:
anyhow +rep for you

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

Also he can use Tajuu Mokuton Bunshins

no he cant

has medical skills which are far above Tsunades level

no he doesnt. madara claimed he did before seeing tsunades full power

no naruto is not too fast in BM mode. he is huge and takes the shape of kurama

he doesnt just stick to kurama. he moves about on his own and theoretically could make an army of clones

i thought it was obvious that hashirama>naruto

naruto >>>>>hashirama

BM naruto is too big not to get caught by mokuton. accept it

what if naruto protects himself with 1000 clones all using oodama rasengan?

if 100% kurama couldnt break hashiramas mokuton then 50% kurama cant

how do you know he didnt break it and hashirama had to resort to something else?

BM naruto gets caught by mokuton then he gets put to sleep by the flower tree world.

kurama makes him wake up.

nyway once the kcm clones get close to attack, hashiramas clones use wood release: great forest technique to hit the clones and make them disperse. the clones then heal themselves.

FRS damages the chakra network. they are not healing. and for the last time hashirama doesnt know multiple clone technique.

no im not. hashirama and his clones would grow trees from their bodies to redirect the rasenshurikens course.

FRS is way too fast and strong. its like a nuke, whatever it hits. its not a susano arrow.

just like he blitzed the 6 edo jins and nagato....oh wait

not BM naruto was it?

the trees arent meant to protect hashirama as in tank the rasenshuriken. the trees just redirect their course. hashirama would turn the battlefield into a forest

he cant do that faster than naruto can nuke the shit out of him with rasenshuriken barrage and bijuudama. trees < narutos destructive power

shirama could grow a tree in his body to redirect rasensguriken and while he is behind the tree, he makes a mokuton clone and hashirama himself merges with his forest. naruto would kill the clone thinking he won then he is surprised by mokuton roots coming up underneath him. hashirama then could put him to sleep with the flower tree world.

and then dies himself from a naruto clone hitting him from behind. do you really think narutos speed and strength will allow him to be caught by roots? hed just call kurama over there whod bust him out and wake him up if he falls asleep. as everyone is telling you, FRS is a giant explosion, not a simple arrow projectile. and it wont be diverted because its wind release and it will slice through wood easily.

Naruto used all of Kuramas Chakra

in that case kurama should be dead. kurama stated he gave naruto a tiny smidgen of power.

madaras trees are not weaker than hashisonly stop a weaker version of Madaras Mokuton

Not only the impact from those Mokuton techniques by themselves are immense, Hashirama changes the whole landscape into his element, giving him a big advantage

naruto rechanges the landscape to a wasteland with mountain busting bijuudama.

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you still havent thought of a counter for narutos huge chakra arms that can grab hashirama and kill him before he makes flower tree world.

He can control and use the created forest as well, use the flowers of his tree world and hide himself in his trees as well. It's easier said than done to destroy this forest

no it is easily done for naruto uzumaki and kurama combined. no ones more destructive than they are. kuramas bijuudama is implied to be a village buster.

Further, he can use Tajuu Mokuton Bunshins,

no he cant. scans or proof of this. oh right it doesnt exist. madara usiing somethign does not mean hashirama also can

which are more effective than normal Kage Bunshins. Kage Bunshins are staying Kage Bunshins (Kage=Shadow) which can disappear by a single blow

none of narutos KCM bunshins were taken down by single blows

He can heal his wounds without even forming hand seals

thanks to kurama, so can naruto. and tsunade can do exactly the same thing

Not without reason he was called fairy tale, not without reason a bunch of people chased for his powers, he was truly incredible.

yes without reason because this is a battle of who wins, not how hyped someone is

We all know Sasuke with his EMS will be an equal to Naruto because of the story line. Sasuke possesses the same powers like Madara but on a certainly lower level,

your assuming crap out of your ass. sasuke wil be above EMS madara. if he isnt already which he is.

Madara was really praised as a legend, whose name itself transmitted power

after the war the same will be said about sasuke

And after all Hashirama was superior to him though he used the Kyuubi in his complete stage

because hashirama uniquely suppressed and took control over him. not because he fought and took both down.

i would say hashirama will win this coz he has more battle experience then naruto

no. he doesnt. kurama is a thousand year old demon whos seen more than hashirama could in a dozen lifetimes.

he is smarter then him

lol and when have you seen hashirama talk much less prove he has intelligence? he could be hidan level for all we know

Hashirama beat a master of the Sharingan with the complete Kurama

because he took control over kurama and used him on said sharingan user. not because he himself was stronger than both combined

something Nagato couldn't do.

good because its something hashirama cant do either. he tok control over kurama because he cant beat madara alone.

And Hashirama can do clones as well, like Madara did, 5 clones for every Kage.

no he cant. show me proof he can. you cant. stop assuming shit.

Hashirama on the other hand is superior to the 5 current kages together. Madara call his fight against them a game which is no comparison to Hashirama, who was truly a powerful opponent

its easy for him to say. kages would have won by now if madara was alive and not able to spam his jutsus all day long without fear of dying of exhaustion. all the kages arent at their fullpower either as they are exhausted from the world war with tobi. hashirama woudl get his ass ****ing raped by onoki alone let alone all kages combined.

The Kages have already problems with overcoming one technique from Madara. Once he used one Mokuton technique, he could crush all Kages at once.

so why hasnt he yet? oh right the kages pushed him into a corner and made him use a clone to save himself

And no, his KM clones were actually not on a Kage level. Not only Naruto got help and protection from other shinobis, he got some informations from the Hachibi who already fought the Sandaime Raikage

lol so that makes it unfair? naruto got the vaguest of info. nothing specific. and he still won the fight by exploiting a weakness all on his own. the other shinobi were fodders and of no help to naruto. he only got help a little bit from gaara in regards to muu. kabuto respected his power saying its amazing it took even edo tenseis a long time to regenerate from planet rasengan to the chest.

But consider he beat the legendary Madara

we have no idea how he won or if he even won at all. the world thinks he killed madara and classified it as a win since he didnt. if thats wrong, what else is?

 

[The Eye]

Naruto will win.
Dont believe the hype.
I still dont believe the hype about Prime Hiruzen nor the 1st until i see it.

 

[senpaisama]

naruto takes this with easy-low difficult,, and after this war people will forget about hasirama, madara and all their hypes, people will consider naruto as strongest shinobi, in ninja world.!! :scorps:

 

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Naruto used all of Kuramas Chakra in order to only stop a weaker version of Madaras Mokuton. The Mokuton is an incredible offense and thus a defense as well. Not only the impact from those Mokuton techniques by themselves are immense, Hashirama changes the whole landscape into his element, giving him a big advantage - He can control and use the created forest as well, use the flowers of his tree world and hide himself in his trees as well. It's easier said than done to destroy this forest. Even Madaras meteors were not really huge compared to the tree world Madara created, and not only Hashirama could create little forests at any time again, he's also able to control the trees which got destroyed as well.

Further, he can use Tajuu Mokuton Bunshins, which are more effective than normal Kage Bunshins. Kage Bunshins are staying Kage Bunshins (Kage=Shadow) which can disappear by a single blow. The Tajuu Mokuton Bunshins on the other hand are way sturdier and can be used to a range the normal Bunshins don't even work.

Then we have the already mentioned recovery. He can heal his wounds without even forming hand seals, even huge wounds caused by Susanoo (Tsunade as an example).

Not without reason he was called fairy tale, not without reason a bunch of people chased for his powers, he was truly incredible.

And let's be honest. We all know Sasuke with his EMS will be an equal to Naruto because of the story line. Sasuke possesses the same powers like Madara but on a certainly lower level, since Madara was really praised as a legend, whose name itself transmitted power. And after all Hashirama was superior to him though he used the Kyuubi in his complete stage (before the death demon god sealed away a part of his power).

You going to underestimate Hashirama, he's superior to Naruto, also he's superior to Nagato.

I stopped reading after you said that naruto used all of kurama's chakra to stop a weaker version of madara's mokuton :flaw: naruto only used a little, kurama even said it later on before naruto went Bijuu mode wow :sy: that's why I don't waste my time writing big paragraphs here in NB :sy: also that naruto you saw there was a clone :sy:

 

[TouchMyMangos]

I stopped reading after you said that naruto used all of kurama's chakra to stop a weaker version of madara's mokuton :flaw: naruto only used a little, kurama even said it later on before naruto went Bijuu mode wow :sy: that's why I don't waste my time writing big paragraphs here in NB :sy: also that naruto you saw there was a clone :sy:

I agree.

 

[immortal sage]

agree naruto could take on the whole ninja army if he wanted

it amazes me how low fanboys will stoop:sy:

hashirama can take bm naruto and he can counter his clones with mokuton clones

 

[naruttebayo]

well what makes hashi look strong is current madara .

how could he defeated something that strong ? current madara is completed beyond his prime , don't forget he awaken his rinnegan right before he died and he was probably old .

also i'm pretty sure it was a fight between equals in which hashi won with probably extreme high difficulty .

now naruto's ability - in kuubi cloak form oro's sword of kusanagi couldn't pierce him i'm sure that was tougher than wood

naruto can move faster than raikage .i'm sure 5 bijju damas which he took out were greater threat than some fastly growing wood

don't underestimate naruto's rapid healing ability , both in sage mode and in kuubi mode he can heal really fast

hashi could suppress bijju chakra but it is not sure he can now when a jinchuriki is willingly using bijju's chakra .

so i say high to mid difficulty naruto wins