Naruto > Hashirama

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U know what is funny naruto learned his clone jutsu from who???
Hashirama in directly by stealing his scroll meaning hashirama can make just as many clones

plus people forget hashirama has atleast two other elements under his belt

Now pulling a few rods out of biju counts as naruto beating/being stronger lmao all he did was match biju dama before they transformed for no reason they owned hachibi/bee & naruto people he didn't beat them just forced tobi to withdraw them

Hashirama would render them useless if that was him
 

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naruto can take down 5 bjiuu in 5 min and he wasnt at his full strengh and he didnt get his final power up from kishi
 

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*bumped this*last post im making to this thread for now.

narutos kcm clones are countered as hashirama can make mokuton clones aswell. tsunade was stated to get her chakra control from shodai which is used for super strength. hashiramas fight in part 1 shows his proficiency in taijutsu and this combined with the fact that his mokuton bunshins are far more durable than shadow clones and dont disperse in one hit show that he can more than hold his own in taijutsu with kcm naruto clones along with his advanced healing abilities. bringer of darkness is useless as naruto could make an sm clone to keep updates on hashiramas position. rasenshuriken is is countered as hashirama could use mokuton to redirect its course in a similar fashion that danzo did to sasukes susano arrow. rasenshuriken blitzes are countered by the fact that hashirama could make his mokuton bunshins guard his back and use wood arms to counter before they get too close. hashirama has the advantage in terrain and could make forests in an instant. he could also travel inside his trees to avoid narutos attacks.

kcm naruto has the speed to avoid mokuton but BM naruto is too big and will get restrained in a similar fashion to this:
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if this happens hashirama could use the flower tree world and the mokuton will keep naruto in that spot until he inhales the pollen. add that to the fact naruto has only 5 minutes of BM mode hashirama definitely takes this. after narutos BM mode ends he only has base and sage mode.
 

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U know what is funny naruto learned his clone jutsu from who???
Hashirama in directly by stealing his scroll meaning hashirama can make just as many clones

plus people forget hashirama has atleast two other elements under his belt

Now pulling a few rods out of biju counts as naruto beating/being stronger lmao all he did was match biju dama before they transformed for no reason they owned hachibi/bee & naruto people he didn't beat them just forced tobi to withdraw them

Hashirama would render them useless if that was him

And your post was worthwhile in what way? Ridiculous comparisons and contrived attempts at belittling Naruto's ability to spam clones that are greater than any other clones.
 

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Hashirama cannot:

- Suppress the chakra of a perfect Jinchuuriki.
- Even if he could, he could not catch Naruto with his Mokuton, Naruto is too quick
- Bringer of Darkness technique won't work because Naruto can sense his evil intentions.

Naruto can use BM whilst spamming his 15+ KM and SM clones. What will Hashirama do when 15 KM clones, moving at speeds comparable (almost as high) to FTG, are bearing down on him? Throw in BM Naruto and his TBB and it's over. As well as this, the Naruto we're watching is worn out after fighting for 2 days and he's still fighting on par with Tobi and the 5 bijuu. He would defeat Hashirama, contrary to what some people believe.

That is all.

Naruto doesn't have a Kage skill set. He has all the power in the world but his skill set and uses of jutsu need to increase for him to be on a level of a Hashirama or Madara. Yes Madara does think he is impressive but because of Kishi Naruto still has some ways to go before he is on a level above his dad Yondaime Hokage
 

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*bumped this*last post im making to this thread for now.

narutos kcm clones are countered as hashirama can make mokuton clones aswell. tsunade was stated to get her chakra control from shodai which is used for super strength. hashiramas fight in part 1 shows his proficiency in taijutsu and this combined with the fact that his mokuton bunshins are far more durable than shadow clones and dont disperse in one hit show that he can more than hold his own in taijutsu with kcm naruto clones along with his advanced healing abilities. bringer of darkness is useless as naruto could make an sm clone to keep updates on hashiramas position. rasenshuriken is is countered as hashirama could use mokuton to redirect its course in a similar fashion that danzo did to sasukes susano arrow. rasenshuriken blitzes are countered by the fact that hashirama could make his mokuton bunshins guard his back and use wood arms to counter before they get too close. hashirama has the advantage in terrain and could make forests in an instant. he could also travel inside his trees to avoid narutos attacks.

kcm naruto has the speed to avoid mokuton but BM naruto is too big and will get restrained in a similar fashion to this:
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if this happens hashirama could use the flower tree world and the mokuton will keep naruto in that spot until he inhales the pollen. add that to the fact naruto has only 5 minutes of BM mode hashirama definitely takes this. after narutos BM mode ends he only has base and sage mode.

BM naruto too big ?, thats exactly why he won't get restrained !

If he does , he goes back to his smaller form escapes and does it again !

Anyways people have strong arguments but it's 45/36 for Hashi so i guess he's better !

can't bbeat democracy , but hashi can beat naruto :)
 

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Lolz, like I said before this is why I don't want to argue with you. Your points are ludicrous, and so you just try and defend your irrational stuff.

Do you honestly think that Naruto, the fastest character ever, is going to get caught in mokuton? Do you want me to link you a manga page where a Naruto clone who had run out of chakra uses a tiny fragment of the 9-tails chakra and just wrecks all of Madara's mokuton? Do you want that manga page? Or do you just want to admit that you are a fanboy?

this the proof u wanted. zetsu's wood(considered as mokuton tech) which was very weak ,entangle KM naruto .


LOL what have u explained to us. nonsense with speed , KM naruto get caught by tiny mokuton from zetsu, speed would be useless if u dont have nice precognition like minato has.. , shodai owns kurama with ems madara, why it is became so difficult to take BM naruto which is non of the equal level from both those monster combined (kyubi+madara),

shodai still the strongest :scorps:



and an exhausted clone naruto need to borrow kurama's chakra to replicate himself and perform full odama rasengan(almost eleven rasengan if u count it to manga, and could be more since the clones were too many ) to break jukai kotan which is none of hashirama's true power.

need i say more how STRONG hashirama was ?

even now , madara only hailed hashirama , the power of five kages were nothing compared to hashirama's

and dont get it wrong.

hashi has mokuton clone jutsu which was learned by naruto(on the secret scroll)

THE LAST STATEMENT IS WHY ITACHI WANT TO END THE EDO TENSEI AND NOT TO KILL KABUTO???? WHY HE DOESNT WANT TO SEAL MADARA (EDO) DIRECTLY WITH HIS LEGENDARY TOTSUKA??? BECAUSE OF THIS , BECAUSE HE AND THE ENTIRE SHINOBIS COULD NOT DEFEAT MADARA, And the only one whos able (barely able ) to defeat madara is HASHIRAMA.

Enough to say. Hashirama still the strongest now . dont u get it?
 
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how does naruto counter the flower tree world? he has no way of clearing the pollen. tbb is useless
WHY? why cant it clear out trees? freaking trees?

Hashirama was able to conquer Madara...I don't think that Naruto would...
naruto declared his own SM was equal to MS sasuke. KCM is on a whole other level to that (probably above EMS sasuke) and BM is a dozen steps ahead of even that.

hashirama merges with his trees and travels through them to avoid rasenshuriken and he deflects tbb.
narutos already destroyed trees with oodama rasengan barrage. he cant deflect bijuudamas.

he was considered (and probably still is) the strongest shinobi...
almost all of hashiramas hype is past tense.

It'll take more than just speed to defeat hashirama since he didn't have any problem with the kyubi's speed against madara
kyuubi itself isnt that fast. it prefers to tank everything.

Besides there are possibilities madara can use amaterasu and there's no way hashirama could've won against madara if he's that slow.
you dont know what happened so how do you know theres no way?

And who says his wood release is not fast enough?? Madara created a forest in an instant against the five kages... Now this is the same madara who's still testing hashirama's powers, not to mention he has only a portion of his powers.
its never said he had a portion as kabuto was the one who gave him this power. madara =/= hashirama.

Naruto isn't the only one who can use clones... hashirama can use (perfect)clones too and i guess it's called the "perfect clone" for a reason
i guess its never called that. anywhere

any damage inflicted by taijutsu is healed and the moment naruto tries to grab hashirama he would make wood grow from his body to restrain naruto.
so he can heal a mini rasenshuriken to the throat? he can make wood grow and restrain a giant monster trying to rip him in half, and whos roar blasted back 5 bijuus?

tsunade was able to heal from being impaled by madaras sword
it was a root.

narutos taijutsu would break his ribs and damage his organs. that can easily be healed
not repeatedly
tsunade was said to get her chakra control from hashirama
no she wasnt

so hashirama could hold his own in taijutsu
based on absolutely nothing

if naruto goes into Kurama mode he gets restrained like this rock golem did here:
a golem isnt a giant sentient demon whos encountered wood element before.

I'm just laughing at the people who say Naruto will win with clones. Have you guys forgotten that Hashirama can make clones as well?
obviously no one has but kyuubi chakra clones are obviously superior to wood ones.

Not to mention he has incredible medical jutsu
have you seen any of this in action? no? then why bring it up?

kcm narutos punches wont tear a hole in hashiramas body.
a rasengan will. remember naruto vs muu? even an immortal zombie took a long time to heal from that.

madaras sword went through tsunade and she healed easily.
it was a mokuton spear at best

hashirama makes 25 mokuton bunshins. only madara can see through them
when has hashirama shown such a skill? oh right nowhere

naruto thinks he killed the real hashirama with a tbb then he gets hit by flower tree world.
which is then destroyed by the 100 naruto clones disguised as rocks.

wasn't itachi able to keep up with km naruto??
no. he was being toyed with as naruto simply wanted answers, not itachis defeat. and that was naruto at 1/13th of his real power.

Hashirama also has medical jutsu on par with Tsunade who easily tanked everything Madara threw at her,
then why is she basically struggling to get back on her feet?

I highly doubt anything physically is going to be enough to take down Hashirama
slice his head off with FRS? bijuudama to the eyes?

Hashirama doesn't even need hand signs to use his medical jutsu.
and? is that supposed to be some big advantage over sealed jutsu? minato used seals and tobi didnt. guess who won?

didnt see narutos punch goes through kisame
no kill intent, thats why. they wanted kisame alive.

madara just made 20 "perfect" clones on a whim..wtf you think hashi will do.
madara is an immortal zombie with virtually unlimited stamina and can use any of his moves without worrying about it shortening his life. hashirama is a flesh and blood human being for gods sake.

I'm not sure if hashi can surpress a perfect jinchuriki but if he can that leaves SM naruto vs hashi..and if you say sm naruto > hashi then that means sm naruto > ems madara...
no it doesnt. naruto doesnt work that way. SM naruto would be a completely different opponent with a different style than madara. hashi fought madara several times for years. he knew all his tricks. naruto is brand new.

Naruto has to first enter BM to even use that speed, which would give Hashirama plenty of time to create his clones
and naruto will do the same...

he doesn't need hand signs to use his medical jutsu, so Naruto could keep on punching and kicking him, but Hashirama should easily be able to heal from them.
based on what? you still havent shown us him healing from anything really impressive. its just kishi giving him more hype. we will never see what it can really do.

hashirama sprouts wood spikes from his body
yamato never did that. madara never did that.

hashirama heals any damage done to his body.
so he cna heal from having his brain caved in by point blank fuuton rasenshurikens?

he makes 25 mokuton bunshins to counter narutos kagebunshins if naruto makes more clones
how is that a counter? 1 naruto clone is a match for two edo kages for gods sake

narutos clones use rasenshuriken clearing the clones then hashirama travels through his trees to avoid a rasenshuriken.
when has he demonstrated this kind of speed?
 

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I agree that Naruto has a great power now and he can control Kurama as no one has before but we actually don't know of all Hashirama's abilities and he was considered (and probably still is) the strongest shinobi...thus, I don't think he would be able to beat him...

someone who has clearly some common sense +rep. You naruto fanboys have not seem Hashirama's full abilities but we've seen naruto's and speed is not everthing in a battle because Hashirama was able to deal with the nine tails speed and his vast size PLUS madara's speed........
 

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someone who has clearly some common sense +rep. You naruto fanboys have not seem Hashirama's full abilities but we've seen naruto's and speed is not everthing in a battle because Hashirama was able to deal with the nine tails speed and his vast size PLUS madara's speed........

KM Speed >>>>>>>>>>>> Kyuubi speed.
 

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naruto thinks hes won then the next second he collapses on the ground due to the flower tree world.
because that worked so well vs the kages..

Madara had the kyuubi and I'm sure he used the tbb against Hashirama
but you have no concrete proof.

but who came out victorious? That's right, Hashirama.
we dont know what happened. its likely hashirama stole control and sealed kurama before it could do anything then turned it on madara.

All of them should be able to use mokuton meaning if all of them used mokuton together they could probably produce a very powerful defense.
naruto still has a better offence in oodama rasengan barrage which has beaten mokuton before with only a little bit of kyuubi chakra

hashirama makes a fort of wood to protect himself from a tbb
lol. even becoming a lake couldnt save suigetsu, and a giant three gate defence from orochimaru barely saved him. what good is a wall of wood thats weaker than oro's gates?

if naruto or his clones stay at point blank range on hashirama with taijutsu then he would make wood spikes come from his body then heal his body afterward.
and you really think that'd penetrate the cloak? chakra arms grab onto hashirama's throat and arms. and that stops him doing anything. the original naruto can heal too if you remember

this battle ends with flower tree world.
which was useless vs the kages and failed to do anything.

his wood already took the tbb of 100% kurama.
scans of it doing so?

all i see is itachi keeping up with bee and km naruto
naruto was very weakened from having his clones elsewhere and bee was in base and not trying.

BM naruto gets restrained by mokuton
and the mokutons destroyed by his strength and by the army of clones protecting him with rasengan barrages.

Hashirama makes this the pollen puts Naruto sleep then he suppresses the kyuubi power and kills Naruto.
because that put onoki to sleep right? wait...no..it didnt. and how can he suppress anything when being attacked from every direction? especially since his necklace was destroyed.

Hashirama himself had about 5 bijuu under he's control including the nine tails
coming from the word of a liar who in all likelihood wasnt alive back then

Look how many regular clone using ultra rasengan with some of the kyuubi chakra it took to destroy this one wood style jutsu
yes. weak regular base clones using great rasengan (not FRS or massive rasenrengan), with a tiny bit of kyuubi's chakra because most of it was with original naruto and the other clones FFS! what do you think SM clones or BM clones would do to it?

Hashirama took on both the kyuubi and Madara at the sametime
madara was standing back and letting kurama do all the work. plus that "flashback" scene was from tobi's speech where he also mentions madara took on the whole village by himself. do you really think madara was at his full power in that final showdown if he did all that?

gave them a good fight
no he took control over kurama which is not fighting him. only 3rd raikage can fight a bijuu.

What makes you think Hashirama can't supress Naruto's chakra. His abilities already shown to supress 2 things.

-Tailed beast chakra
-Other peoples chakra as well.
weak people. suppresing a controlled bijuu is very different to controlling a perfect jin. what happens when the mokutons broken like a near dead kisame did with just his strength?

mokuton can suppress any chakra.
and the example you showed had it epically failing to do so

if he goes BM mode hes an easy target because of his size.
easy target with an army of clones created in an instant?

Hashirama Mokuton Clones are more advanced than Naruto shadow clones
tobis s/t was more advanced than FTG. but which won? narutos clones have been shown to solo kages at 1/13th the power of the original.

Mokuton clones are way more powerfull, for example they don't disappear after one hit and else..
and narutos did?

madara couldn't beat him
he couldnt beat mito hashirama and kurama combined.

the 5 kages couldn't beat madara
because thats totally the exact same madara who faced hashirama right...

naruto had trouble fight one kage (A)..
if he wanted to, he could have killed A easily.

he needs waaaaaaaaaaaaaay more than 5 minutes to even stand a chance against hashirama...
it was 5 minutes because it was the first time theyd ever merged their power. next time it will be alot longer.

who said it was stopping them. he just avoids them with it. naruto would throw a rasenshuriken then hashirama would slide into his forest then the rasenshurikens would miss.
yeah and anything hashirama has will be dodged by naruto

It's actual footage, Kishi made this.
show proof please

Hashirama was the strongest shinobi
fixed.

madara stated that the scale of each kage's attacks pale in comparison to hashiramas.
none of the kages were full power with the exception of A. who also has not used liger bomb or elbow chop. and doesnt seem to be in his second lightning form where his hair stands up.

and the fact that madara is still sucking up to hashirama proves he still thinks hashirama is still stronger.
no it doesnt. all hes saying is that back then hashirama was the best, and the current world is weaker than he is. but madara hasnt met the titans of the current world (sasuke, naruto, tobi, kabuto). all hes doing is comparing tired kages with his full power rival.

naruto admitted that if A had gotten him clean with that punch it wouldv been over for him
wrong. he said A was really strong, even though naruto took a hit he wasnt hurt.

A was wiping the floor with both naruto and Bee..
naruto only wanted to get past. he never had any intention of hurting A and never threw a punch. Bee overpowered him with lariat. honestly you didnt even read that fight.

he's been kurb stomping kage level opponents huh, actually no he's not, he's outsmarting them.. Naruto couldn't break through the 3rd raikages armour, the 3rd broke through it himself..
its still naruto's victory. he found a way to beat him just like he will find hashiramas weakness. and i doubt he outsmarted muu, more like shoved a planet rasengan up his ass.

then he's on his own..
no..then he still can turn into 9 tailed kurama. after all kurama has near unlimited chakra.

He can't outsmart him because hashirama wasn't just considered the strongest, but he knew a wide variety of jutsu's
really? name them.

which proves he was super smart too..
so sasuke is smart because he copied lee's taijutsu?

then hashiramas clones grow wood arms to restrain and kill the kcm clones.
and then real naruto grows several chakra arms and chokes hashirama's throat

Kishi made this
so kishi is involved with a non canon game...even though that fight was more important for the manga, not a game...

ummm the only reason why madara is so strong now is coz he has hashirama's dna
really..so it has nothing to do with rinnegan, edo immortality, and edo unlimited chakra?

the scroll of forbidden jutsu's, he had knowledge on all those jutsus and stored them within a scroll
doesnt mean he can perform them himself, just declared them forbidden

Just look at how smart madara is now, he has knowledge on his opponents
knowledge on who? onoki?

the first hokage is to strong for naruto,he defeated the fox and madara before,he has never tasted defeat, naruto lose
then why was he dead? obviously he lost to someone. you have no idea what battles hes had besides madara and kakuzu anyway. he suppressed the fox. he never defeated it. mito hashi and fox combined beat madara.

they just have to grow wood from their arms and kill the clones.
with what? how in the shit will wood break the kyuubi cloak when naruto seemed to be able to handle roshis lava and raikages punches?

Naruto's taijutsu was countered by Itachi when he was in KM
itachi ran away after a small exchange and naruto was nowhere near serious or full power.

So just because he is able to get to places quickly doesn't mean he automatically demolishes anybody with his taijutsu
no but he outclassed raikage pretty easily. and using chakra arms he pwned 5 bijuus.

Madara could make a forest instantly, an entire forest, and of course Hashirima would be more skilled with mokuton
based on? madara has unlimited chakra so of course he spams whatever he wants to.

Hashirima can suppress the chakra of the actual beast so of course he can supress a jinchuriki.
he has to catch him first and any wood that comes close wont ensnare him. chakra arms spring out and crush it.

A BM Naruto is basically the kyuubi running around
no it isnt

wood clones dont disappear after 1 hit. they are much more durable than naruto clones
one naruto clone was surviving hits from 3rd raikage and madara. he only turned to smoke after running out of its chakra supply. so each KCM naruto clone has chakra they use to fight. and therefore a life force.

BM naruto is restrained with mokuton because he is too big.
the mokuton is destroyed by an army of oodama rasengan clones before it ever gets hold of naruto

Madara blocked an attack from A when he teleported with lighting in front of him.
that was tsunade...

once the clones get hit by shodais wood they are done.
the clone fighting madara survived two meteors.
 

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yeah this is very true because it looks like the only real special thing hashirama had was mokuton and healing abilities; naruto would win mid-high diffxd
 

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This is what Tobi had to say
 

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Guys stop that spamming for god sake, if would be Extreme dificulty for Hashirama or extreme for Naruto... Only TBB would stop Mokuton, no rasengans can stop it for sure when we speak about Hashiramas mokuton level.. Let's not forget that Hashirama has Earth and Water release as well, maybe some other secret or forbidden techniques ? Like Forbidden senju techniques ? Uchiha has it, why senju doesn't ? Because it's still unknown we can't say for sure who's the winner, because we haven't got a Flash back from Madara vs Hashirama yet.. And we haven't seen Hashirama in action... I bet Kishi gave Madara mokuton to show Hashi Powers. At any point Hashirama WAS NOT Fighting Kyuubi, it wasn't 2v1 fight, he surpresed Kyuubi and then fought Madara, and it's still unknown if Madara intents was to win or obtain Hashi powers and fake his death, then continue on Moon eye plan ? It's not clear yet as I said, also Hashirama is not able to Surpress Naruto KM, since it's not the Nine tails itself, they're working together.. But TBB is not huge factor, the First hokage would find a way to block it.. At any point its = or Extreme for one or other..
 

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naruto can beat everyone hes the main character if he dies no more show he could kill evryone in the series if kishi made him fight them.
 

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naruto can beat everyone hes the main character if he dies no more show he could kill evryone in the series if kishi made him fight them.

NO. Kishi is not that stupid and lame, Naruto lost not once... I'm not saying that it would kill him, but it would give him a good go back to home.. No one would ever watch Naruto if he just goes and rapes everyone..:sy:
 
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