Naruto > Hashirama

[Kazekage35]

Agree. I feel one of Naruto's clones alone can defeat a high ranking, but not elite, shinobi. When he uses them all in one fight and throw his actual self in there I think he is unbeatable

 

[TheSages456]

R u kidding? Naruto can clear out a huge area with the fox by simply roaring.

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Notice all those Bijju sent flying, and honestly if that didn't work, TBB to the area would

if the forest is all around naruto and naruto roars in one direction then he would bust through that section of the forest. naruto firing tbbs all over the place would do more harm than good. naruto would end up hurting himself firing tbbs so close too himself because of the splash damage. the kages fell asleep the moment they fell into the range of the pollen. hashirama wins.

 

[Noobastank]

HELL NO -.- naruto is good but come on. Hashirama beat EMS Madara and Kurama BEFORE half of his chakra was sealed in the death God. how can you honestly say naruto can win? i agree, hashirama is filled with hype but based on this feat alone, naruto cant possibly win with the 5 min he has for his biju mode. he cannot beat Hashirama YET.

 

[narutownsyouall]

Its incredibly hard considering that Hashirama beat the nine-tails.

And the whole not suppressing a perfect jinchiriki does not make sense because Yamato supresses Naruto and he may not be perfect but considering that he supresses the chakra and not the anger or anything besides that means it is effecting the chakra directly. Although we have seen what Naruto's KM chakra does to trees this is either bad for Naruto or not. It means he could accidently increase Hashirama's growing abilities. But Hashirama has already beat the nine-tails while fighting Madara who at the time was equal and probably better than Naruto(sage made and under). Now you might say that A beast with a jinchiriki is better than one without but Hashirama's ability to make mokuton clones along with healing abilities helps him against rasengan (rasen-shuriken will probably be an OHK) And you can dodge rasen- shuriken pretty easily.
but Hashirama having Mokuton from his body can be equally effective as chakra arms.

But tbh I might just say Naruto because KM clones are just too fast and to tough to fight at once.

Then again Hashirama is an incomplete character. His clones are powerful and his Mokuton suppressing abilities are amazing. And Bringer of darkness (he is not evil so i doubt his "intentions would get sensed". And he has complete control over the battlefield. I do not doubt that he can deflect a TBB (anime clip came from kishi pretty much he helps draft stuff like that) but I think as soon as we see more we could say he wins.

Naruto absolute difficulty (like barley wins)

 

[Retsu]

HELL NO -.- naruto is good but come on. Hashirama beat EMS Madara and Kurama BEFORE half of his chakra was sealed in the death God. how can you honestly say naruto can win? i agree, hashirama is filled with hype but based on this feat alone, naruto cant possibly win with the 5 min he has for his biju mode. he cannot beat Hashirama YET.

And how do we know that the fox hasn't recovered his chakra over the years? Minato halved it to shrink it at the time, but I've not seen it implied that fox was forever stuck at half power, and tbh EMS Madara is a Lame-O Uchiha, Itachi and Shisui are more impressive.

He has BM for 5 min, but remember he can still use KM clonez, and the fox has seen Hashirama in action before, I doubt with everything he had to throw at Madara that he can surprise the fox, and we know for a fact Naruto is faster. Naruto has the advantage, Jinchuuriki>>>>Bijuu

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

whatever. how does naruto counter flower tree world when he has no way to clear the pollen?

If Naruto is in BM then he can just use the Kyuubi's roar. I would link you a manga page, but I am too lazy. Anyway what happens is that Naruto in BM roars and the bijuu under Tobi's control go flying. So obviously pollen would be dispersed as well.

(by the way did that pollen jutsu even do anything to the kages? Last time I checked it was 100% ineffective. All they had to do was hold their breath until Onoki destroyed it. It is one of the most lame jutsus ever, it is big but impotent)

 

[TheSages456]

If Naruto is in BM then he can just use the Kyuubi's roar. I would link you a manga page, but I am too lazy. Anyway what happens is that Naruto in BM roars and the bijuu under Tobi's control go flying. So obviously pollen would be dispersed as well.

(by the way did that pollen jutsu even do anything to the kages? Last time I checked it was 100% ineffective. All they had to do was hold their breath until Onoki destroyed it. It is one of the most lame jutsus ever, it is big but impotent)

oh really they didnt get caught

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BM naruto is huge so he gets restrained by mokuton then gets finished by the flower tree world.

 

[Noobastank]

And how do we know that the fox hasn't recovered his chakra over the years? Minato halved it to shrink it at the time, but I've not seen it implied that fox was forever stuck at half power, and tbh EMS Madara is a Lame-O Uchiha, Itachi and Shisui are more impressive.

He has BM for 5 min, but remember he can still use KM clonez, and the fox has seen Hashirama in action before, I doubt with everything he had to throw at Madara that he can surprise the fox, and we know for a fact Naruto is faster. Naruto has the advantage, Jinchuuriki>>>>Bijuu

I agree with the bold but I dont think Madara was "a Lame-O Uchiha" He was the leader of the whole Uchiha clan. In my opinion EMS madara>Itachi. [not by much though. Itachi and shisui being more impressive interms of how fast they advanced and their level of genjutsu] Love him or hate him you cant say he was weak. But i see your points i dont over look them. i just dont think naruto can do it as of yet. he has alot of power, more than the first imo, but he is still a noob compared to the hokage. an expert with a stone beats the rookie with the shuriken. im giving it to hashi based off of his experience. if naruto was older and smarter then forsure. but as of now idk if he could do it personally.

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

oh really they didnt get caught

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BM naruto is huge so he gets restrained by mokuton then gets finished by the flower tree world.

Lolz, like I said before this is why I don't want to argue with you. Your points are ludicrous, and so you just try and defend your irrational stuff.

Do you honestly think that Naruto, the fastest character ever, is going to get caught in mokuton? Do you want me to link you a manga page where a Naruto clone who had run out of chakra uses a tiny fragment of the 9-tails chakra and just wrecks all of Madara's mokuton? Do you want that manga page? Or do you just want to admit that you are a fanboy?

 

[Retsu]

I agree with the bold but I dont think Madara was "a Lame-O Uchiha" He was the leader of the whole Uchiha clan. In my opinion EMS madara>Itachi. [not by much though. Itachi and shisui being more impressive interms of how fast they advanced and their level of genjutsu] Love him or hate him you cant say he was weak. But i see your points i dont over look them. i just dont think naruto can do it as of yet. he has alot of power, more than the first imo, but he is still a noob compared to the hokage. an expert with a stone beats the rookie with the shuriken. im giving it to hashi based off of his experience. if naruto was older and smarter then forsure. but as of now idk if he could do it personally.

But remember one of Naruto's newest greatest power ups is the respect of the fox, Naruto is no genius, but the fox has a lot of wisdom and intelligence, he's seen what Hashirama can do, and is now apart of a faster, stronger, harder hitting package.

The Foxes intelligence is a huge factor, and I believe it's Naruto's greatest advantage over Hashirama.

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

But remember one of Naruto's newest greatest power ups is the respect of the fox, Naruto is no genius, but the fox has a lot of wisdom and intelligence, he's seen what Hashirama can do, and is now apart of a faster, stronger, harder hitting package.

The Foxes intelligence is a huge factor, and I believe it's Naruto's greatest advantage over Hashirama.

I think Naruto's best advantage is that, if he is at full chakra he can make hundreds of KM clones, which are all kage level.

What on earth could Hashirama do against even a hundred KM clones + the real Naruto in BM? Absolutely positively nothing.

 

[Noobastank]

But remember one of Naruto's newest greatest power ups is the respect of the fox, Naruto is no genius, but the fox has a lot of wisdom and intelligence, he's seen what Hashirama can do, and is now apart of a faster, stronger, harder hitting package.

The Foxes intelligence is a huge factor, and I believe it's Naruto's greatest advantage over Hashirama.

Hmmm i guess that is true. I didnt look at it that way. that is an excellent point! I would have to think long and hard about this now that you have made this point. Kurama has knowledge dating back to the sage of 6th paths so thats a tough one to call now.

 

[TheSages456]

Lolz, like I said before this is why I don't want to argue with you. Your points are ludicrous, and so you just try and defend your irrational stuff.

Do you honestly think that Naruto, the fastest character ever, is going to get caught in mokuton? Do you want me to link you a manga page where a Naruto clone who had run out of chakra uses a tiny fragment of the 9-tails chakra and just wrecks all of Madara's mokuton? Do you want that manga page? Or do you just want to admit that you are a fanboy?

im a madara fanboy not a shodai fanboy. please stop with this speed nonsense. BM naruto, im talking about when he transforms into kurama is going to get caught by mokuton because he is too big. i havent even addressed the fact that he only stays in BM mode for 5 minutes. after that he is finished. what do you think hashirama restrained 100% kurama with? oh yes mokuton. this 50% kurama you keep bragging about is going to be restrained by mokuton.

 

[Retsu]

I think Naruto's best advantage is that, if he is at full chakra he can make hundreds of KM clones, which are all kage level.

What on earth could Hashirama do against even a hundred KM clones + the real Naruto in BM? Absolutely positively nothing.

IKR? ppl forget that Hashi died young, he is one of the greats, but as of right now he has nothing on Naruto, It's so hard trying to explain that a person with a bijuu is nothing in comparison with a perfect jinchuuriki, but If you look at everything presented thus far, it's obvious that Naruto wins around 80% of the time, the foxes Intelligence and power is greater than 5 bijuu, and we all know that Jinchuuriki are better than actual Bijuu, BM Naruto>EMS Madara with Fox

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

im a madara fanboy not a shodai fanboy. please stop with this speed nonsense. BM naruto, im talking about when he transforms into kurama is going to get caught by mokuton because he is too big. i havent even addressed the fact that he only stays in BM mode for 5 minutes. after that he is finished. what do you think hashirama restrained 100% kurama with? oh yes mokuton. this 50% kurama you keep bragging about is going to be restrained by mokuton.

Speed nonsense? How is having the ability to dodge something nonsense?

You should reread your post before you say what someone else posts is nonsense.

From henceforth you shall be dubbed a fanboy, and will be known to all as one. With the title comes the benefit that I will never respond to your irrational posts any longer, you have wasted enough of my time.

 

[Retsu]

Hmmm i guess that is true. I didnt look at it that way. that is an excellent point! I would have to think long and hard about this now that you have made this point. Kurama has knowledge dating back to the sage of 6th paths so thats a tough one to call now.

So nice debating with ppl who actually listen to your points.

Naruto is already on the doorstep of the Sage, and he has the fox, The fox HATES being controlled, and I'd be willing to bet he has a few choice words for Hashirama, so basically Naruto and the fox will have that intent to kill, Hashirama could get stomped by Naruto if he's not careful, his biggest advantage over Madara was chakra, Naruto has him beat in that aspect, so I really see no way for Hashirama to win

 

[Darth Wignus]

This a tough one. Idk bro I just dont know... Who can stop the 2 best ninja ever?

 

[Unorthodox]

naruto ease hashi = hype

 

[TheSages456]

last post im making to this thread for now.

narutos kcm clones are countered as hashirama can make mokuton clones aswell. tsunade was stated to get her chakra control from shodai which is used for super strength. hashiramas fight in part 1 shows his proficiency in taijutsu and this combined with the fact that his mokuton bunshins are far more durable than shadow clones and dont disperse in one hit show that he can more than hold his own in taijutsu with kcm naruto clones along with his advanced healing abilities. bringer of darkness is useless as naruto could make an sm clone to keep updates on hashiramas position. rasenshuriken is is countered as hashirama could use mokuton to redirect its course in a similar fashion that danzo did to sasukes susano arrow. rasenshuriken blitzes are countered by the fact that hashirama could make his mokuton bunshins guard his back and use wood arms to counter before they get too close. hashirama has the advantage in terrain and could make forests in an instant. he could also travel inside his trees to avoid narutos attacks.

kcm naruto has the speed to avoid mokuton but BM naruto is too big and will get restrained in a similar fashion to this:

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if this happens hashirama could use the flower tree world and the mokuton will keep naruto in that spot until he inhales the pollen. add that to the fact naruto has only 5 minutes of BM mode hashirama definitely takes this. after narutos BM mode ends he only has base and sage mode.

 

[WhistleBlower]

how does naruto counter the flower tree world? he has no way of clearing the pollen. tbb is useless. 25 mokuton bunshins. amazing strength from his chakra control. chakra suppression.

Dude i love ur small script of itachi n kisame LMFAO