Naruto Getting An Enhanced Sage Mode and 100% Kurama

[Ahmed1993]

How come he doesn't have the required speed? SM naruto was able to sense the raikage's atack and he still put half of his body out of the way when the finger spear was in his face, and he still managed to aim perfectly to the raikage's arm and hit it. That's a big speed feat. Let's not forget the speed feat shown in the pain battle(reaching asura path almost instantly even though he was on the top of gamabunta).
Sasuke was able to dodge it in the fight with itachi(though itachi was sick, I don't think this would decrease the speed of his amaterasu). So it's possible for SM naruto(whose speed is either equal or superior to that sasuke) to do so.

Sasuke has done exactly the same feat ( part by part as you stated with Naruto ) and he did the same in Team 7 reunion ( early shippuden ) and in the Deidara fight ( for your second feat ).
Sick is one of the reasons not all of them , the other two are :

Near blindness ( check his vision after his Tsukuyomi )
He didn't want to kill Sasuke only getting rid of the CS ( and he aimed at the the wing of the CS ).

 

[Wolfus]

Then i guess you know the answer. Kabuto sorta did same thing dodging the arrow, you can call it danger sensing but its cumulative info of heightened senses nothing more.

Now you're just making an assumption. Remember that kabuto had the whole enviroment in his favor(the cave with the snakes arround), but there's nothing to confirm that it wasnt danger sensing.

 

[Wolfus]

Sasuke has done exactly the same feat ( part by part as you stated with Naruto ) and he did the same in Team 7 reunion ( early shippuden ) and in the Deidara fight ( for your second feat ).
Sick is one of the reasons not all of them , the other two are :

Near blindness ( check his vision after his Tsukuyomi )
He didn't want to kill Sasuke only getting rid of the CS ( and he aimed at the the wing of the CS ).

No, sasuke's feat wasn't the same as naruto's. Sasuke barely bowed his head out of the way, and he just kept going foward. Naruto put half of his body out of the way, and he was beside the raikage's arm. The team 7 reunion feat, that distance is not as close as in the pain's battle.
I don't remember the deidara fight feats, can you tell me or show me?

I see, but sasuke was still able to take the wing out of the way in his first move.

 

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EMS Sasuke has kept up with KCM with ease, BM and even Obito.

Ay was the fastest shinobi after Minato in the history of shinōbi. So it doesn't even matter if Sandaime is slower in V1, even more beneficial for my argument.

Sensing doesn't mean that you can dodge anything. Sasuke had Sharingan, yet failed to counter Lee, though he saw the movements perfectly.​

thats the problem with sharingan perception its L.O.S, while SM sensing would similar to the 360 degree awareness of byakugan, sasuke might have been able to see the movements but he didn't have the speed to react to it both with lee and one tail naruto.

 

[Ahmed1993]

No, sasuke's feat wasn't the same as naruto's. Sasuke barely bowed his head out of the way, and he just kept going foward. Naruto put half of his body out of the way, and he was beside the raikage's arm. The team 7 reunion feat, that distance is not as close as in the pain's battle.
I don't remember the deidara fight feats, can you tell me or show me?

I see, but sasuke was still able to take the wing out of the way in his first move.

Then again we don't know if Sandaime has the same speed as Ay.
Also MS Sasuke has a slightly bruised vision when he fought Ay ( after his Tsuku and Ama in the Bee fight , he felt his eyes losing a bit of their light ).


Itachi was near blind in his fight against Sasuke , and his Tsuku and first Amaterasu degraded his vision even further to the point that when he used Susano after the Second Amaterasu , his eyes turned white.

 

[Wolfus]

Then again we don't know if Sandaime has the same speed as Ay.
Also MS Sasuke has a slightly bruised vision when he fought Ay ( after his Tsuku and Ama in the Bee fight , he felt his eyes losing a bit of their light ).


Itachi was near blind in his fight against Sasuke , and his Tsuku and first Amaterasu degraded his vision even further to the point that when he used Susano after the Second Amaterasu , his eyes turned white.

1- I see your point, but I don't see a reason to why not. The sandaime could be almost as fast. I see, but it's about his dodging. He managed to sense the atack, but barely bowed his head. But you got a point here.

2- But itachi still managed to aim for sasuke's wings. After aiming, I don't think that the speed of the amaterasu would decrease.

 

[UchihaNagashi]

thats the problem with sharingan perception its L.O.S, while SM sensing would similar to the 360 degree awareness of byakugan, sasuke might have been able to see the movements but he didn't have the speed to react to it both with lee and one tail naruto.

I didn't get your point of the Byakugan comparisement and the situation we're talking about so I'll skip that part.

But Sharingan in individual and in vision sight perception, is perfectly equal to that of Sennin Mōdo.

Sasuke couldn't dodge Lee due to speed disadvantage, but after he gained three tomoe Sharingan, speed of Lee and Ten no Ju'in, he could compete and fight on par with the speed of KT Naruto if he could have intercepted the movements of the cloak which he stated to not being able to see.

Not to mention, without speed it's the same with SM. You can see but not react.​

 

[Ahmed1993]

1- I see your point, but I don't see a reason to why not. The sandaime could be almost as fast. I see, but it's about his dodging. He managed to sense the atack, but barely bowed his head. But you got a point here.

2- But itachi still managed to aim for sasuke's wings. After aiming, I don't think that the speed of the amaterasu would decrease.

Fair enough but as someone said above , even if SM Naruto dodge Amaterasu Sasuke can still point the black flames at him ( like Itachi did ) especially that this is EMS Sasuke with the improved pre cognition and perception ability of the Sharingan.


Amaterasu is a jutsu that ignite whatever is on the line of sight of the user.
How can a near blind ( literally a Jutsu from blindness ) person point the black flames at his opponent when he himself can barely see the target ?

In this case the problem is from Itachi not Amaterasu itself.

And the speed of Amaterasu didn't decrease either because Amaterasu spawned exactly when Itachi looked as his slowly turned his head and eyes.

 

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I didn't get your point of the Byakugan comparisement and the situation we're talking about so I'll skip that part.

But Sharingan in individual and in vision sight perception, is perfectly equal to that of Sennin Mōdo.

Sasuke couldn't dodge Lee due to speed disadvantage, but after he gained three tomoe Sharingan, speed of Lee and Ten no Ju'in, he could compete and fight on par with the speed of KT Naruto if he could have intercepted the movements of the cloak which he stated to not being able to see.

Not to mention, without speed it's the same with SM. You can see but not react.​

no its not the same as it SM senses incoming attacks due the natural energy around them thats why i said it similar to the 360 degree awareness the byakugan grants but the sharingan predicts movements in its line of sight.

 

[Wolfus]

Fair enough but as someone said above , even if SM Naruto dodge Amaterasu Sasuke can still point the black flames at him ( like Itachi did ) especially that this is EMS Sasuke with the improved pre cognition and perception ability of the Sharingan.


Amaterasu is a jutsu that ignite whatever is on the line of sight of the user.
How can a near blind ( literally a Jutsu from blindness ) person point the black flames at his opponent when he himself can barely see the target ?

In this case the problem is from Itachi not Amaterasu itself.

And the speed of Amaterasu didn't decrease either because Amaterasu spawned exactly when Itachi looked as his slowly turned his head and eyes.

1- You got a point, but naruto can keep moving as fast as he can too. But sasuke might be able to reach it. EMS sasuke would reach him for sure, as you said. But MS sasuke, I don't think he would, as he feels the pain of using it and wouldn't be able to keep up for long.

2- You're right. However, itachidid manage to aim at sasuke's wings as you said. And as you said, the amateasu wouldn't lose speed. But sasuke was still able to dodge it.

 

[Ahmed1993]

no its not the same as it SM senses incoming attacks due the natural energy around them thats why i said it similar to the 360 degree awareness the byakugan grants but the sharingan predicts movements in its line of sight.

Nearly 360 degree awareness the Byakugan grants ( the Byankugan has a blind spot as shown in the Kidomaru fight ).

 

[AlphaScythian]

no its not the same as it SM senses incoming attacks due the natural energy around them thats why i said it similar to the 360 degree awareness the byakugan grants but the sharingan predicts movements in its line of sight.

There is no 3D byakugan awareness, its not related to doujutsu.
Its merely neji's chakra radar.
Sharingan predicts movements in vision field, sharingan attacks in line of sight.
EMS>BSM sensing.

 

[Wolfus]

V2 has distinctive appearance with hair standing up, 3rd didnt have that.Why not speculate that tobirama has v2 FTG as well?

Actually, look at this scan.

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You can see that the raikage's hair is less spiky compared to when he is figthing naruto. So this means that the sandaime raikage could have V2 as well.

 

[UchihaNagashi]

no its not the same as it SM senses incoming attacks due the natural energy around them thats why i said it similar to the 360 degree awareness the byakugan grants but the sharingan predicts movements in its line of sight.

Exactly my point, however the timing is the same as we saw when Naruto and Sasuke 'sensed' Obito and attacked him at the same time.​

 

[Ahmed1993]

1- You got a point, but naruto can keep moving as fast as he can too. But sasuke might be able to reach it. EMS sasuke would reach him for sure, as you said. But MS sasuke, I don't think he would, as he feels the pain of using it and wouldn't be able to keep up for long.

2- You're right. However, itachidid manage to aim at sasuke's wings as you said. And as you said, the amateasu wouldn't lose speed. But sasuke was still able to dodge it.

1- Same here.

2- Simply because the first shoots wasn't pointed at him ( that's why we saw Itachi slowly turning his head ).

Its been fun debating with you ( its rare to see some logical debaters here especially when Uchihas are included in a debate ) , i have to + rep you.

I have to go now bye.

 

[Wolfus]

There is no 3D byakugan awareness, its not related to doujutsu.
Its merely neji's chakra radar.
Sharingan predicts movements in vision field, sharingan attacks in line of sight.
EMS>BSM sensing.

At best, they're equal. They did display the same feat in battle, and there's nothing to indicate that BSM sensin was surparssed.

And the other guy, he has a point. SM is not related to the vision of the user. The danger sensing given by the SM isn't related to what the user sees, but to the whole battlefield. That's what he is saying.

 

[Wolfus]

1- Same here.

2- Simply because the first shoots wasn't pointed at him ( that's why we saw Itachi slowly turning his head ).

Its been fun debating with you ( its rare to see some logical debaters here especially when Uchihas are included in a debate ) , i have to + rep you.

I have to go now bye.

1- Good we could agree.

2- Yeah, you got a point.

I liked to debate to you too. Yeah, uchihas fanboys are indeed a pain.
See you.

 

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There is no 3D byakugan awareness, its not related to doujutsu.
Its merely neji's chakra radar.
Sharingan predicts movements in vision field, sharingan attacks in line of sight.
EMS>BSM sensing.

ummm @ bold if you dont know anything please dont reply, neji was able to sense attacks from all angles except the blind spot at the neck,
i dont know what you mean by vision field but the sharingan can only predict what it can see if its not in the sharingan line of sight it cant be predicted.

 

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Exactly my point, however the timing is the same as we saw when Naruto and Sasuke 'sensed' Obito and attacked him at the same time.​

well you are correct there.

 

[AlphaScythian]

ummm @ bold if you dont know anything please dont reply, neji was able to sense attacks from all angles except the blind spot at the neck,
i dont know what you mean by vision field but the sharingan can only predict what it can see if its not in the sharingan line of sight it cant be predicted.

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Im know what im talking about. Neji crates a field of his own emitted chakra and by this chakra he tracks incoming attacks. It not related to doujutsu.