Naruto Getting An Enhanced Sage Mode and 100% Kurama

[salamander uchiha]

Bold is false. Naruto himself said he was able to sense danger in the fight against raikage. In the battle with pain, naruto said he can sense chakra with SM.
The raikage was almost at full power, considering that kabuto's edo tensei was very powerful, and as seen with other chars(nagato, itachi).
I'm not saying he beats sasuke, I'm saying he dodges amaterasu. But naruto SM is very fast too, and strong. Naruto SM di not fight kakuzu.

Not really could you post the scans of sensing jutsu. I know sage mode allows presense sensing thats it. And it wasnt at full power not even madara was at full power and he was supposedly revied stronger than them yet when ressurected hashirama reffered to him regaining his former power meaning he was far stronger before than as an edo. And the kages were way brneath him so logically they would be at around 60-80%.

 

[UchihaNagashi]

Speculation? It's called logic.
Naruto didn't dodge madara's atack, indeed. But he dodged raikage's V2 1 finger spear when it was almost in his face. He put half of his body out of the way, and yet managed to atack raikage's arm perfectly.

Though he might not have V2 speed, he is not slow. SM naruto has shown speed feats and reaction speed, mostly in that fight with the raikage. And besided, though he is not as fast, he can sense danger.
Sensing danger is sensing when something is going to harm you before it actually does. SM naruto can do that, and then dodge in the right time.

In that scan, may I remind you that getting hit was a part of sasuke's plan?

Lol, at these fanboys these days. Desperate arguments.

1) Sandaime has no V2. He has only up to V1 speed.

2) It's not sensing a danger but the Chakura. Youre making it seem like Naruto is a philosopher.​

 

[salamander uchiha]

@bold 1 & 2) So V1? Sasuke did the very same thing vs V1 Ay. As you can see one doesnt have to be faster to dodge faster opponent, reacting in time is the key.

@Bold 2) Where did manga state any of that? Danger is nothing but accumulated information from heightened SM senses.
Naruto cant magically sense bad future and he didnt sense any with madara.

I concur people are making up powers now.

 

[Wolfus]

@bold 1 & 2) So V1? Sasuke did the very same thing vs V1 Ay. As you can see one doesnt have to be faster to dodge faster opponent, reacting in time is the key.

@Bold 2) Where did manga state any of that? Danger is nothing but accumulated information from heightened SM senses.
Naruto cant magically sense bad future and he didnt sense any with madara.

1- Naruto was fighting the 3rd raikage going all out, so it's V2 raikage. You're helping my point. Naruto's reaction speed(along with his sensor skills) allow him to dodge atacksin the right time.

2- Really? You need the manga to explain the meaning of danger for you? So, manga's definition of danger is different? No. Danger is a situation that might harm you. With SM and his balance with natural energy(not magic) he can sense a dangerous move right before it happens. He blocked madara's move and dodged the raikage.

 

[Wolfus]

Lol, at these fanboys these days. Desperate arguments.

1) Sandaime has no V2. He has only up to V1 speed.

2) It's not sensing a danger but the Chakura. Youre making it seem like Naruto is a philosopher.​

1- Was that information given?

2- He said it himself he is able to sense danger.

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[UchihaNagashi]

Sasuke did dodge raikage's V1, but raikage V2 was able to dodge amaterasu. Though the 3rd raikage is not as fast, he is still extremelly fast, and he was using the finger spear. Still, naruto sensed and dodged it.
With his sensor skills, he can sense the right time to dodge, and he has the reaction speed to do so.

Contradiction, contradiction.

Sasuke dodging a V1 Ay and Sandaime having V1 too, makes Sasuke and Naruto equal. However, Ay having V2 speed and dodging Amaterasu means he is superior, thus foreshadowing Naruto's speed.

This means Naruto can't dodge it anymore, can he?​

 

[Ahmed1993]

Sasuke did dodge raikage's V1, but raikage V2 was able to dodge amaterasu. Though the 3rd raikage is not as fast, he is still extremelly fast, and he was using the finger spear. Still, naruto sensed and dodged it.
With his sensor skills, he can sense the right time to dodge, and he has the reaction speed to do so.

Sasuke did the same thing if we assume that Sandaime's speed = to Ay's speed ( which i don't think so , Ay's speed > Sandaime's speed )

But does that mean that Sasuke has the foot speed to do so ?
Hell no , and don't bring me the Itachi fight chapter because :

Itachi was sick , near blind ( check his vision after the Tsukuyomi ) and didn't want to kill Sasuke ( he only wanted to get rid of Oro's CS and that's why he targeted the wing of the CS. )


In short : Reaction time ( reflexes ) =/= Foot speed.

 

[Wolfus]

Contradiction, contradiction.

Sasuke dodging a V1 Ay and Sandaime having V1 too, makes Sasuke and Naruto equal. However, Ay having V2 speed and dodging Amaterasu means he is superior, thus foreshadowing Naruto's speed.

This means Naruto can't dodge it anymore, can he?​

Your scaling making no sense. Naruto dodging raikage v1 doesn't mean he can dodge raikage's V2. I see no contradictions here.

 

[AlphaScythian]

1- Naruto was fighting the 3rd raikage going all out, so it's V2 raikage. You're helping my point. Naruto's reaction speed(along with his sensor skills) allow him to dodge atacksin the right time.

V2 has distinctive appearance with hair standing up, 3rd didnt have that.Why not speculate that tobirama has v2 FTG as well?
Sasuke dodged v1 with 3T sharingan, SM sensing allows for that as well.

2- Really? You need the manga to explain the meaning of danger for you? So, manga's definition of danger is different? No. Danger is a situation that might harm you. With SM and his balance with natural energy(not magic) he can sense a dangerous move right before it happens. He blocked madara's move and dodged the raikage.

Manga doesnt explain danger sensing, it was just retarded expression from naruto. Madara sensed sasuke from behind by danger sensing then lol.

 

[Wolfus]

Sasuke did the same thing if we assume that Sandaime's speed = to Ay's speed ( which i don't think so , Ay's speed > Sandaime's speed )

But does that mean that Sasuke has the foot speed to do so ?
Hell no , and don't bring me the Itachi fight chapter because :

Itachi was sick , near blind ( check his vision after the Tsukuyomi ) and didn't want to kill Sasuke ( he only wanted to get rid of Oro's CS and that's why he targeted the wing of the CS. )


In short : Reaction time ( reflexes ) =/= Foot speed.

I'm not saying that naruto is faster than the raikage. But I'm saying he could still sense it, dodge it and even display an atack to a perfect spot.

Bold- But in order to have reflexes, you also have to be fast. Dodging for exemple: Something is comming for you at some speed, and you have to move your body out of the way. You don't necessarily have to surpass the object's speed(depending on the distance), but you must be able to achieve the speed that put's your body out of the way in less time than the object would hit you. The longer you take to dodge, the faster you'll need to be.

 

[UchihaNagashi]

Your scaling making no sense. Naruto dodging raikage v1 doesn't mean he can dodge raikage's V2. I see no contradictions here.

You didn't get it.

I said. Sasuke dodged Yondaime and Naruto Sandaime. Both Raikage were as fast due to V1, making Naruto = Sasuke in 'speed'.

However, Ay needed V2 to dodge Amaterasu. Naruto has no speed feats. like Ay does even in SM, thus inferior speed.

Which would mean that Naruto can't dodge it.​

 

[Wolfus]

V2 has distinctive appearance with hair standing up, 3rd didnt have that.Why not speculate that tobirama has v2 FTG as well?
Sasuke dodged v1 with 3T sharingan, SM sensing allows for that as well.
Manga doesnt explain danger sensing, it was just retarded expression from naruto. Madara sensed sasuke from behind by danger sensing then lol.

1- Yeah, the hair stands up, but the 3rd raikage's hair is already kind of spiky, so it would be hard to tell. Wait a minute, I'll see that fight to see if the chakra lightining arround him increases at some point.

2- The manga doesn't need to explain every single expression. Have you ever heard of...thinking by yourself? There is nothing to prove that it was a "retarded expression". Considering that, I simple used the meaning of danger alongside with the meaning of sensing to conclude what "sensing danger is".

 

[Wolfus]

You didn't get it.

I said. Sasuke dodged Yondaime and Naruto Sandaime. Both Raikage were as fast due to V1, making Naruto = Sasuke in 'speed'.

However, Ay needed V2 to dodge Amaterasu. Naruto has no speed feats. like Ay does even in SM, thus inferior speed.

Which would mean that Naruto can't dodge it.​

That's your mistake. Juat because both dodged V1 it doesn't mean they have the same speed. KCM naruto also dodged the raikage. BM naruto would dodge the raikage. Does that mean their speed equals sasuke's? No.

I see, naruto doesn't have the same speed feats as the raikage, but he has the sensing skills that could make up for that.

 

[Ahmed1993]

I'm not saying that naruto is faster than the raikage. But I'm saying he could still sense it, dodge it and even display an atack to a perfect spot.

Bold- But in order to have reflexes, you also have to be fast. Dodging for exemple: Something is comming for you at some speed, and you have to move your body out of the way. You don't necessarily have to surpass the object's speed(depending on the distance), but you must be able to achieve the speed that put's your body out of the way in less time than the object would hit you. The longer you take to dodge, the faster you'll need to be.

I'm not denying that he can sense it , but he doesn't have the required speed to dodge it.

I'm well aware of that , but even with that , the foot speed of Naruto SM and Sasuke aren't enough to dodge Amaterasu.

Ay has the perfect combination to dodge Amaterasu :
Foot speed that exceed the Sharingan pre cognition of MS Sasuke ( because EMS Sasuke was able to keep up with Juubito like BSM Naruto ) and reaction time ( reflexes ) similar to the Sharingan and SM Sensing ( his lightning armor , and we saw how Sandaime used it to dodge the FRS twice at point blank range ).


While MS Sasuke ( even EMS Sasuke when it come to foot speed ) and Naruto SM are missing one of those two feats.

 

[ANiMUS]

Question: 3rd Rikage was at V1 and Naruto dodged it
Ay attacked in V1 3T Sasuke dodged it

Both of these attacks were dodged narrowly so you could probably say SM (Toad) sensing is equivalent to 3T Sasuke. If 3T Sasuke couldn't outrun Amaterasu from Itachi what makes you think Naruto can? Especially since Sasuke's EMS increased his perception which means EMS Amaterasu>> MS Amaterasu in speed. Even on the off chance that Naruto does dodge it Sasuke can just have the flames follow Naruto and GG.

EMS Sasuke oneshots SM Naruto

 

[Wolfus]

I'm not denying that he can sense it , but he doesn't have the required speed to dodge it.

I'm well aware of that , but even with that , the foot speed of Naruto SM and Sasuke aren't enough to dodge Amaterasu.

Ay has the perfect combination to dodge Amaterasu :
Foot speed that exceed the Sharingan pre cognition of MS Sasuke ( because EMS Sasuke was able to keep up with Juubito like BSM Naruto ) and reaction time ( reflexes ) similar to the Sharingan and SM Sensing ( his lightning armor , and we saw how Sandaime used it to dodge the FRS twice at point blank range ).


While MS Sasuke ( even EMS Sasuke when it come to foot speed ) and Naruto SM are missing one of those two feats.

How come he doesn't have the required speed? SM naruto was able to sense the raikage's atack and he still put half of his body out of the way when the finger spear was in his face, and he still managed to aim perfectly to the raikage's arm and hit it. That's a big speed feat. Let's not forget the speed feat shown in the pain battle(reaching asura path almost instantly even though he was on the top of gamabunta).
Sasuke was able to dodge it in the fight with itachi(though itachi was sick, I don't think this would decrease the speed of his amaterasu). So it's possible for SM naruto(whose speed is either equal or superior to that sasuke) to do so.

 

[Gyakusetsu]

OK, what do you think, you have me stumped.

I'm sure you recall this?

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Gamabunta was too busy doing something. Which means honoring another commitment.

I will also point out this.

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In order to master Sage Mode you've got to die. This was left as a cliff hanger then brushed aside by Pa as a figure of speech, but we've now seen with Madara's revival that Rinne Tensei doesn't seem to have a time limit.

In these types of stories the "Guide" always returns when the characters seem to have lost all hope to put them back on the path. Sometimes those guides receive a power up because of death. Ex: Gandalf, Obi Wan.

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His character is based on an immortal after all. His tag in the Ame orphan hideout indicates his presence. The rainbow created by Konan was a warning, not a symbolic gesture.

 

[AlphaScythian]

1- Yeah, the hair stands up, but the 3rd raikage's hair is already kind of spiky, so it would be hard to tell. Wait a minute, I'll see that fight to see if the chakra lightining arround him increases at some point.
2- The manga doesn't need to explain every single expression. Have you ever heard of...thinking by yourself? There is nothing to prove that it was a "retarded expression". Considering that, I simple used the meaning of danger alongside with the meaning of sensing to conclude what "sensing danger is".

Then i guess you know the answer. Kabuto sorta did same thing dodging the arrow, you can call it danger sensing but its cumulative info of heightened senses nothing more.

 

[saw2097]

I'm sure you recall this?

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Gamabunta was too busy doing something. Which means honoring another commitment.

I will also point out this.

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In order to master Sage Mode you've got to die. This was left as a cliff hanger then brushed aside by Pa as a figure of speech, but we've now seen with Madara's revival that Rinne Tensei doesn't seem to have a time limit.

In these types of stories the "Guide" always returns when the characters seem to have lost all hope to put them back on the path. Sometimes those guides receive a power up because of death. Ex: Gandalf, Obi Wan.

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His character is based on an immortal after all. His tag in the Ame orphan hideout indicates his presence. The rainbow created by Konan was a warning, not a symbolic gesture.

OH.

Jiraya, that is brilliant.

That would be an incredible come back.

 

[UchihaNagashi]

That's your mistake. Juat because both dodged V1 it doesn't mean they have the same speed. KCM naruto also dodged the raikage. BM naruto would dodge the raikage. Does that mean their speed equals sasuke's? No.

I see, naruto doesn't have the same speed feats as the raikage, but he has the sensing skills that could make up for that.

EMS Sasuke has kept up with KCM with ease, BM and even Obito.

Ay was the fastest shinobi after Minato in the history of shinōbi. So it doesn't even matter if Sandaime is slower in V1, even more beneficial for my argument.

Sensing doesn't mean that you can dodge anything. Sasuke had Sharingan, yet failed to counter Lee, though he saw the movements perfectly.​