Naruto fandom problem

[123fire]

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Look at Pain's rinnegan in chapter 238. but then in later chapter it was CHANGED to this:

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Now people say that indra's mangekyou was like this:

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It's not really a mangekyou since it was never stated in the manga but let's say it was really like this. why when it was changed to this

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It's a retcon but pain's change of eye design wasn't? to me both are the same but people want to make it look like a retcon just because it was shown only in the anime. to me both situations are the same. the new rinnegan design is the real one. just like indra's new eye design.(even though the spiral one wasn't stated to be a mangekyou)

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

The problem is just with you who just can't stop trying to post filler as canon.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Not just this fandom, internet culture just seems to teach people that fiction is a closed book. That there's this single reading and only that interpretation is the right way to read it. There isn't a literal Naruto 'canon', it's not like a real world history and even if some stories were more important than other stories (they're not) that should never come before entertainment value.

Kishi uses 'filler' characters in his work. Kishi consented to novels, games and movies. Kishi has never been the only creator of Naruto and would never want fans to put only his work on a pedestal.

Nobody cares. Not Kishi, not normal fans, not Perriot, they just want to make entertaining stories & expand the world. I'm writing a dissertation on a similar subject but i'm mostly done discussing it on here and I think we all should be, because closed minds will try and ruin and limit their own favourite fiction.​

 

[123fire]

The problem is just with you who just can't stop trying to post filler as canon.

There is no filler episode i said was canon without any proof. did i ever say the chunin exam arc is canon? guren? utakata? sora? because i have no proof they are canon i don't say they're canon but when there's proof i say they're canon just like boruto anime and kaguya/ashura/indra arc

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

There is no filler episode i said was canon without any proof. did i ever say the chunin exam arc is canon? guren? utakata? sora? because i have no proof they are canon i don't say they're canon but when there's proof i say they're canon just like boruto anime and kaguya/ashura/indra arc

You're comparing Indra's MS designs by Kishi with the ones in the anime and then asking why was it changed when everyone know that Kishi's version will always be accepted over whatever they draw in anime is enough for one to know what you were asking. You wouldn't have asked making such a comparison otherwise.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Indra's anime MS > His manga MS which isn't even confirmed to actually be his MS. For all we know, that's just a crude depiction of his insanity or whatever :lol

Just like how Kaguya is depicted differently when Madara is talking about her

 

[Exaar]

It's not really a mangekyou since it was never stated in the manga but let's say it was really like this. why when it was changed to this

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Laziness.

It's a retcon but pain's change of eye design wasn't? to me both are the same but people want to make it look like a retcon just because it was shown only in the anime. to me both situations are the same. the new rinnegan design is the real one. just like indra's new eye design.(even though the spiral one wasn't stated to be a mangekyou)

Rinnegans change was minor, instead of the design being only on the iris, it was made to cover the entire eye, The overall design stayed the same, While Indra's was completely changed.

 

[Styles]

The problem is just with you who just can't stop trying to post filler as canon.

This.

 

[Sauce]

I'm guessing they just changed the eye design to further cement that Sasuke is Indra's reincarnation, sort of how Ashura was using the rasengan etc

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[123fire]

Indra's anime MS > His manga MS which isn't even confirmed to actually be his MS. For all we know, that's just a crude depiction of his insanity or whatever :lol

Just like how Kaguya is depicted differently when Madara is talking about her

you're one of the fewer members who actually thinks logically about this topic

 

[Chara]

instead of pointing out worse problems you post about this

 

[Urda]

Not just this fandom, internet culture just seems to teach people that fiction is a closed book. That there's this single reading and only that interpretation is the right way to read it. There isn't a literal Naruto 'canon', it's not like a real world history and even if some stories were more important than other stories (they're not) that should never come before entertainment value.

Kishi uses 'filler' characters in his work. Kishi consented to novels, games and movies. Kishi has never been the only creator of Naruto and would never want fans to put only his work on a pedestal.

Nobody cares. Not Kishi, not normal fans, not Perriot, they just want to make entertaining stories & expand the world. I'm writing a dissertation on a similar subject but i'm mostly done discussing it on here and I think we all should be, because closed minds will try and ruin and limit their own favorite fiction.​

There was always a standard between Anime and Manga. The problem today is when did fillers matter? Nobody is arguing it didn't happen now the manga reference it, but to say everything happened is a bit reach.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

There was always a standard between Anime and Manga. The problem today is when did fillers matter? Nobody is arguing it didn't happen now the manga reference it, but to say everything happened is a bit reach.

My argument isn't 'everything happened' (even though you could easily make your case for that) my point is that creatively, it doesn't matter. A religious need for canon is not more important than entertainment value and so much Naruto media is immediately invalidated by the fans themselves.

This is what an over-reliance on an author and a misinterpretation of what literary canon even means will do. It's a bad habit that toxic fandom leads to. Thanks for the intelligent response though, it is an interesting topic.

 

[Mori Jin]

Simple really, manga version is canon and the Anime version is filler.

 

[123fire]

instead of pointing out worse problems you post about this

what's worse? can u elaborate

 

[chaos control]

The problem here is that:

1. For starters, when it comes to Pain (in that early panel you posted), you can actually still see the concentric circles of the rinnegan. You just see fewer of them, but it should be noted that Pain was silhouetted and his head was turned at a certain angle. Having said this, it is possible that there was no design change there, and that it was just crudely drawn at the time.

It is also possible that Kishi didn't really have a plan or concept of the rinnegan that early in the series (which by the way is unlike the mangekyou sharingan which Kishi had long since established in multiple characters by the time he first depicted Indra in that mural-esque fashion).

What's more, even if there was a design change in the rinnegan, both the original design and the change were both depicted in the manga itself (whereas Indra with Sasuke's mangekyou was not depicted in the manga). That is one of the reasons why the so called "design change" in the rinnegan is more accepted than that of Indra's mangekyou sharingan.

2. Additionally, when it comes to Indra and the mangekyou:

In the manga, we haven't had a single instance of two Uchihas having the same mangekyou pattern (save for the Shins, but they are literal clones of each other).

Plus, Indra having Sasuke's mangekyou is a huge slap in the face to Madara and all other Indra transmigrants.

We know that it is not a matter of the fact that Kishi or SP couldn't think of any unique mangekyou designs (after all, they thought up some filler MS designs for some filler Uchihas and even one for Fugaku). They were just trying way too hard to hammer home the emphasis on the fact that Sasuke is Indra's transmigrant (and that wasn't necessary).

In the end, many fans (myself included) are not willing to accept that Indra had the exact same MS as Sasuke (essentially saying "screw you" to Madara and all other transmigrants). That is probably the other reason why many fans say that the Otsutsuki episodes were filler.

Anyway, I agree with you and Bad Touch Yakushi that the concept of filler and canon is toxic at large. You should just enjoy it regardless. However, when it comes to Indra specifically, I am still on the side that says that there is no way he had Sasuke's mangekyou.

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

Imo, thats the red eye of So6p, derived.

 

[Lyke]

One is canon manga
One is filler anime

 

[123fire]

One is canon manga
One is filler anime

The spiral eye was never stated in the manga to be a mangekyou

 

[Urda]

My argument isn't 'everything happened' (even though you could easily make your case for that) my point is that creatively, it doesn't matter. A religious need for canon is not more important than entertainment value and so much Naruto media is immediately invalidated by the fans themselves.

This is what an over-reliance on an author and a misinterpretation of what literary canon even means will do. It's a bad habit that toxic fandom leads to. Thanks for the intelligent response though, it is an interesting topic.

We are not worshipping the manga. The manga is the source material; so, in essence, the Anime adapts to it. However, when it deviates from the source material than we can debate the inconsistencies - that is normal. We all see the entertainment value of each side.