Naruto fanboys live in the past...

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Sasuke fans spent years talking down shadow clones and look what happens now XD

narutos kb just multiplies naruto's incompetence , when lord sasuke uses it, obviously its different....

 

[Filosoofis]

Sasuke could always do shadowclones. But it just wasn't his style and hope it won't become his new style since it is a bad jutsu.

 

[Fockboy]

They always bring up vote 2 instead of looking at the current state of affairs. Naruto doesn't have RSM anymore making him way weaker than he was in vote 2, but Sasuke on the other hand has greatly upped his game. He has shadows clones, new blade techniques, and brand new space time jutsu. Currently there is no contest between the two sasuke is simply just better then that kid.

same could be said for emo boy's fans they bring up past fights. do they not? not gonna fall for easy bait tho. i recommend trying different bait next time.

 

[shelke]

Vote 2 was a plot induced win for Naruto. Let Sasuke use CT and Genjutsu from the start and the battle is over rather easily. This Sasuke is an overkill.

 

[Chaosmark101]

Vote 2 was a plot induced win for Naruto. Let Sasuke use CT and Genjutsu from the start and the battle is over rather easily. This Sasuke is an overkill.

CT is a non factor as it literally does 0 damage to naruto's avatar. & Genjutsu is a non factor because He had yin Kurama in him.

 

[shelke]

CT is a non factor as it literally does 0 damage to naruto's avatar. & Genjutsu is a non factor because He had yin Kurama in him.

Both assumptions. Sasuke's CT turns Naruto into the gravitational core. He's done after that. Add Genjutsu to it, and he's doing nothing either. Naruto breaking out of Genjutsu that is that potent is fiction, when Yagura was controlled for years.

 

[Chaosmark101]

Both assumptions. Sasuke's CT turns Naruto into the gravitational core. He's done after that. Add Genjutsu to it, and he's doing nothing either. Naruto breaking out of Genjutsu that is that potent is fiction, when Yagura was controlled for years.

Assumptions on your part.
Sasuke \=/ Obito. Obito himself actually has the Feat. And as was discussed to death in the vs section. CT doesn't harm Naruto so it's irrelevant.

 

[shelke]

Assumptions on your part.
Sasuke \=/ Obito. Obito himself actually has the Feat. And as was discussed to death in the vs section. CT doesn't harm Naruto so it's irrelevant.

Are you seriously suggesting that the Genjutsu that surprised the Sage, and didn't involve eye-contact and still put all Bijuus in a powerful Genjutsu is inferior to Obito's MS genjutsu? Fascinating. That CT had a core. This CT will use Naruto as a core. Big difference.

 

[Chaosmark101]

Are you seriously suggesting that the Genjutsu that surprised the Sage, and didn't involve eye-contact and still put all Bijuus in a powerful Genjutsu is inferior to Obito's MS genjutsu? Fascinating. That CT had a core. This CT will use Naruto as a core. Big difference.

Haha nowhere did I say or even imply that Rinnegan genjutsu (which does require eye contact, a glance) is inferior to obito's MS genjutsu. I merely Sasuke hasnt got the feat.

And as Already discussed to death in that one thread in the vs section. About Naruto becoming the core.
It still does no concrete harm what so ever, so why bother bringing it up over and over again?

 

[shelke]

Haha nowhere did I say or even imply that Rinnegan genjutsu (which does require eye contact, a glance) is inferior to obito's MS genjutsu. I merely Sasuke hasnt got the feat.

And as Already discussed to death in that one thread in the vs section. About Naruto becoming the core.
It still does no concrete harm what so ever, so why bother bringing it up over and over again?

This isn't a feat? Nine Bijuus put under a powerful genjutsu without eye contact that the Sage was taken back by its power? Okay.

I don't know, the constant debris pushing on his cloak, the limited chakra that will run out, and the fact that Sasuke can use outer path once he's trapped? A little of this and a little of that.

 

[LeSauce]

Vote 2 was a plot induced win for Naruto. Let Sasuke use CT and Genjutsu from the start and the battle is over rather easily. This Sasuke is an overkill.

Funny thing is, it wasn't even a physical win.

 

[Chaosmark101]

This isn't a feat? Nine Bijuus put under a powerful genjutsu without eye contact that the Sage was taken back by its power? Okay.

I don't know, the constant debris pushing on his cloak, the limited chakra that will run out, and the fact that Sasuke can use outer path once he's trapped? A little of this and a little of that.

You kidding me? The solo glance is a great feat, not trying to downplay it. Just not trying to give characters things they haven't shown like Naruto using Mokuton, or Omnyodon for examples.

There was one thing that was completely disregarded
in that thread too. Which is location.

If they (Naruto & Sasuke) are on the floor, and Sasuke gets enough time to perform CT. Sure it'd work as seen here

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But if they are fighting high up in the air, like seen here in VOTE2. It wouldn't work because there would be nothing to pull to him.

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[Otibo]

Are you seriously suggesting that the Genjutsu that surprised the Sage, and didn't involve eye-contact and still put all Bijuus in a powerful Genjutsu is inferior to Obito's MS genjutsu? Fascinating. That CT had a core. This CT will use Naruto as a core. Big difference.

Controlling perfect jinchuriki>>>>>>>>>>>>>controlling bijuu which any MS user ad Hashi can do

 

[shelke]

Funny thing is, it wasn't even a physical win.

Agreed.

Controlling perfect jinchuriki>>>>>>>>>>>>>controlling bijuu which any MS user ad Hashi can do

Just like with Yagura, right?

You kidding me? The solo glance is a great feat, not trying to downplay it. Just not trying to give characters things they haven't shown like Naruto using Mokuton, or Omnyodon for examples.

There was one thing that was completely disregarded
in that thread too. Which is location.

If they (Naruto & Sasuke) are on the floor, and Sasuke gets enough time to perform CT. Sure it'd work as seen here

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But if they are fighting high up in the air, like seen here in VOTE2. It wouldn't work because there would be nothing to pull to him.

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What? Are you kidding me? The Sage wasn't surprised at its power, when it wasn't even direct eye contact? He was. Didn't he put nine Bijuus wthin Genjutsu without even looking at them? He did. Is Naruto a special entity? He isn't. So everything Sasuke did applies to him as well.

That is not how gravity works. The core will pull depending upon its range. Madara threw cores into sky well above the mountains and still CTs were formed, when mountains are thousands of feet below:

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You are just making excuses.

 

[Chaosmark101]

Agreed.



Just like with Yagura, right?



What? Are you kidding me? The Sage wasn't surprised at its power, when it wasn't even direct eye contact? He was. Didn't he put nine Bijuus wthin Genjutsu without even looking at them? He did. Is Naruto a special entity? He isn't. So everything Sasuke did applies to him as well.

That is not how gravity works. The core will pull depending upon its range. Madara threw cores into sky well above the mountains and still CTs were formed, when mountains are thousands of feet below:

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You are just making excuses.

I knew you'd bring up Madara. May I remind Madara could only perform that Feat because he's a JJ using Rikudo Senjutsu along with his Rinnegan.

And obviously you have to look at someone If you "glanced at them"

The deal is though. Sasuke uses Visual Genjutsu. Which Naruto can counter by shutting his eyes & fighting with sensing. His sensing is so strong. He could sense Madaras limbos on a whole other plane.

And he can react to Instant teleportation

 

[Krystopher Malus]

Naruto probably has even greater control over the tailed beast elements, and if he can still create gudou dramas he's still op as hell.

 

[Math42]

Correct, Sasuke is significantly stronger than Naruto, he has shown tremendous improvement.

Sasuke has developed his Rinnegan far enough to jump dimensions which only Kaguya has been shown to be able do on top of that he has shown he can perform hand seals with one hand even while holding his sword - Lightning style against Kid Shin, and Fire style against Adult Shin, futhermore he used Amenotejikara twice in a few seconds with no sign of being exhausted even while being weakened from dimension jumping - He teleported Kid Shin, and then he teleported his sword back to himself.

And in the new trailer he created several Shadow Clones with no Hand Seals, and has some new type of Sword Technique. Major improvements.

Whereas Naruto was peirced by a sword, thus showing his reflexes/battle sense have dulled, which the Kyuubi pointed out, and Naruto admitted, and has shown nothing new.

Sasuke has improved, but Naruto did demonstrate the ability to analyze before attacking.

 

[Math42]

You kidding me? The solo glance is a great feat, not trying to downplay it. Just not trying to give characters things they haven't shown like Naruto using Mokuton, or Omnyodon for examples.

There was one thing that was completely disregarded
in that thread too. Which is location.

If they (Naruto & Sasuke) are on the floor, and Sasuke gets enough time to perform CT. Sure it'd work as seen here

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But if they are fighting high up in the air, like seen here in VOTE2. It wouldn't work because there would be nothing to pull to him.

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Sasuke simply transforms his targets into the center of gravity...

 

[shelke]

I knew you'd bring up Madara. May I remind Madara could only perform that Feat because he's a JJ using Rikudo Senjutsu along with his Rinnegan.

And obviously you have to look at someone If you "glanced at them"

The deal is though. Sasuke uses Visual Genjutsu. Which Naruto can counter by shutting his eyes & fighting with sensing. His sensing is so strong. He could sense Madaras limbos on a whole other plane.

And he can react to Instant teleportation

Sasuke's CT is without a core and far more advanced than JJ Madara's. Your logic makes zero sense that Sasuke's CT would only work on the ground and Senjutsu helped hoist it or something. You are just making one excuse after another.

There are two different types of vision. Look them up.

Like Naruto has done that before? In a hypothetical fight, we have to consider how bright or stupid a character is and how their track record has been with other characters.

Like he reacted before? Okay.

 

[TrollingSage]

Sasuke's CT is without a core and far more advanced than JJ Madara's. Your logic makes zero sense that Sasuke's CT would only work on the ground and Senjutsu helped hoist it or something. You are just making one excuse after another.

There are two different types of vision. Look them up.

Like Naruto has done that before? In a hypothetical fight, we have to consider how bright or stupid a character is and how their track record has been with other characters.

Like he reacted before? Okay.

If Sasuke's CT would work on Naruto he would have used it. You don't know the specifics of the jutsu. There could be requirements, like them being completely Sasuke's control, something which isn't happening with 'kurama around. (In before that idiotic Yagura argument again. He was never confirmed to be a perfect jinchuriki. Infact there's loads of evidence which suggests otherwise)