Naruto even without the kyubi would still be kage level

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Naruto's enormous chakra comes from him being a uzumaki. Uzumakis have 100x more chakra than regular ninjas.

This is fail
Perhaps a little more than average
And its mostly dealing with the life force
If what you said was true then Narutos chakra alone is on par with Kurama

Kisame has more chakra than base Naruto
He was only compared to a tailed beast
 

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Everyone's points are valid but here's something to think about. He is beyond kage level he dodged As fastest attack making him equal his dad in speed. Later he destroys the tbb and kakashi calls him sensi out of question. Saying that, naruto has surpassed both kage and all other levels his only level is jinchuriki which true power has unknown limits.. In my opinion
 

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This is fail
Perhaps a little more than average
And its mostly dealing with the life force
If what you said was true then Narutos chakra alone is on par with Kurama

Kisame has more chakra than base Naruto
He was only compared to a tailed beast



You say something?
 

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This is Naruto without Kyubi:
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Even capable to compete make Kyubi look as shit. He is definitively Kage level even without Kyubi. Shikaku said it himself. From the moment Naruto aquired SM, he was already on another level.
 

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This is Naruto without Kyubi:
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Even capable to compete make Kyubi look as shit. He is definitively Kage level even without Kyubi. Shikaku said it himself. From the moment Naruto aquired SM, he was already on another level.

lol priceless
 

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If Gaara became kazekage even without the Ichibi and now commands the whole shinobi army then don't you think that Naruto can do the same??? Plus Naruto is way more stronger then Gaara even when Gaara was a Jinchuriki
 

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Naruto is a beast, quite literally at that.
 

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im not a hater but i dont know about this. i recall naruto used the kyubi's power to make hundred of shadow clones to practice and thats how he learned things quicker.
 

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you sir are an idiot, sorry had to be blunt here

u kno the advantages naruto has when kyubi is not there did u ever think of that

1. he uses chakra to suppress the kyubi without it he would have more
2. kyubi affects his chakra control so without it he can use his chakra more efficiently
3.without kyubi ma and pa can fuse with him like jiraya

so yea he would have enough chakra dont doubt that

And in Sm he can so what jiraya did and even better,he has FRS, and he mastered sage mode at that. so if u think sm naruto is not kage level you're pretty much putting j-man on the same level who has been offered the position of hokage in the past.

U either hate on naruto or u dont know what kage level is. Naruto clearly demonstrated that he is kage level in his fight against pain, no one other than him even stood a chance. and his sm improved since then and i already tell me about his advantage in sm without kyubi

Where are you getting this bs from? It was never stated in the manga that his chakra was used to surpress the fox chakra! Ever! Like no where in the manga it stated such! Its a fact minato designed the fox seal to leak out some of its chakra slowly to merge with narutos! Fact!

The fox made naruto strong not WEAK at all! It was because of the fox naruto is still alive fact! It was because of the fox naruto could defeat gaara/neji/summon chief toad etc. in part 1.

Part one is what made naruto, you and the other dumb ass users are speaking on shippuden.

Fox is what made him what he is today from part one. He would be dead and there wouldnt be no naruto if not for the fox, fact!
 

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Im about to clarify to all the naruto haters
Naruto learned the rassengan in 3 days something that took Minato who was a once in a decade genius according to Jiraya that means naruto's potiental surpasses even a once in a decade genius

There is a difference between learning a jutsu and inventing one, Minato probably took more time because he was inventing a jutsu while Naruto knew the "recipe" of rasengan:) xd
 

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Naruto's enormous chakra comes from him being a uzumaki. Uzumakis have 100x more chakra than regular ninjas.

would like to know where you got 100x from but agree with you, sage mode is impressive to have control over
 
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Base Naruto doesn't have rasenshuriken it destroyed his arm. But with sage mode yes he is no more than a special Jo in.
 

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With sage-mode, he's probably S-class but I doubt he reaches kage level at all. To take away his precious Kurama would be to take away everything but his sage status. It's been established since the beginning that the only reason he can spam clones is because of Kurama. No clones = no rasengan, much less rasenshuriken.

Plus his sage-mode will only last 15 minutes without his clones. Though, without Kurama Ma and Pa toads could sit on his shoulders similar to Jiraiya. That's the extent of his power though, since literally his only techniques have been the clones and rasengan variants which he would no longer have. I don't care if he is an Uzumaki or not, it has been said the entire time that the nine tails is the only reason he could use clones in the way that he does.
 

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I call it you hating for him figuring out something only the Hachibi knew all by himself. Come on Naruto thought what happened and how to execute all of it in less than a minute. If you call that plot no jutsu than I call that a perfect plot because any other way would have taken everyone 4 more chapters to figure out and execute without Naruto's speed and sensing abilities..
Of course was it plot? It's like I take Naruto's arm in he's body... No, that's just no.
 

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With sage-mode, he's probably S-class but I doubt he reaches kage level at all. To take away his precious Kurama would be to take away everything but his sage status. It's been established since the beginning that the only reason he can spam clones is because of Kurama. No clones = no rasengan, much less rasenshuriken.

Plus his sage-mode will only last 15 minutes without his clones. Though, without Kurama Ma and Pa toads could sit on his shoulders similar to Jiraiya. That's the extent of his power though, since literally his only techniques have been the clones and rasengan variants which he would no longer have. I don't care if he is an Uzumaki or not, it has been said the entire time that the nine tails is the only reason he could use clones in the way that he does.
Da fuq WTH
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Of course, SM is enough to name him Kage-level shinobi.
 

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Base naruto = high level jonin(RS,Oodama rasengan,tajuu kage bushin,summonings,excellent taijutsu,)SM Naruto = mid level kage(he fought pain) nuff said,sensory abilities,incredible strength,frog takata,hell he can do an invisible punch not many characters can take down SM naruto
 
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