Naruto even without the kyubi would still be kage level

[Naruto9001]

Im about to clarify to all the naruto haters why naruto even without the kyubi is kage level or higher.

Naruto learned the rassengan in 3 days something that took Minato who was a once in a decade genius according to Jiraya that means naruto's potiental surpasses even a once in a decade genius

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Kakashi who is kage level starts wondering if BASE Naruto surpassed him.

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He surpassed Minato in terms of the rassengan by learning to change the chakra nature of it and learning the rasenshuriken something that a genius like Minato was trying to do his whole life.

I know some people say that naruto is pathetic because he needs a shadow clones to do the rassengan but most ninjas cant do the rassengan it would take even talented ninjas probadly decades to do it with or without clones the only reason Kakashi did it was because of his sharington and even then it probadly took him several years to copy it perfectly.

Naruto who was trainning to learn sage mode in a very short period of time surpassed jiraya in the technique learning a perfect sage mode.

SM Naruto put up a great fight aganist Pain i know he had intel on him and it took him to go up until the 8 tails to beat him but for him in sage mode to put up a fight aganist a rinnegan user he must be kage level with or without intel.

I hope i got though to you Naruto haters.

 

[Chojuro Sama Kun]

no more like s class ninja

 

[datbasianboy]

Agreed!!!!

 

[EternalRivals]

Yeah because he has rasengan, enormous amount of chakra and multi shadow clone jutsu

 

[s a k u r a]

naruto doesnt need kyuubi to be a hokage ƸӜƷ

 

[Gitch]

no more like s class ninja

this or low kage level

 

[Naruto9001]

Naruto learned the Rasengan that fast and created the Rasenshuriken because of his clones. Minato can do the Rasengan with one hand, and I must say learning to do it with one hand is much harder than learning to do it with a Kage Bunshin. Because I doubt Minato ever used Kage Bunshin he didn't think of using it when he was trying to upgrade the Rasengan. Naruto spams Kage Bunshin all the time, however, so of course it would be easier for him to complete the technique :|

Yes, he surpassed him in that respect, but it feels like you're completely downplaying Minato's intelligence. Anyway, I agree that with Sage Mode he'd still be Kage level.

But he still did it and he even surpassed Minato with the the technique by learning the Rassenshuriken in roughly a week Minato even with a clone cant learn it that fast.

Kakashi was wondering if Base Naruto from the Hidan and Kakazu fight surpassed him so even Base Naruto could be kage level.

 

[yuan of cruxis]

Speacial Jonin-Naruto

Im sorry but without Kyuubi he cant stand to a Kage level ninja

 

[Drakengard]

He's definitely Kage level w/ Sage Mode. The real question would be how strong is he without all the power-ups?

 

[Gitch]

But he still did it and he even surpassed Minato with the the technique by learning the Rassenshuriken in roughly a week Minato even with a clone cant learn it that fast.

Kakashi was wondering if Base Naruto from the Hidan and Kakazu fight surpassed him so even Base Naruto could be kage level.

Ya but Naruto without 9 tails inside means less Chakra so thats also mean less Shadow Clones and that also mean slower learning curve.

 

[yuan of cruxis]

But he still did it and he even surpassed Minato with the the technique by learning the Rassenshuriken in roughly a week Minato even with a clone cant learn it that fast.

Kakashi was wondering if Base Naruto from the Hidan and Kakazu fight surpassed him so even Base Naruto could be kage level.

No way!
IDC if he was wondering or not, base Naruto cant beat Kakashi at all

 

[Naruto9001]

Speacial Jonin-Naruto

Im sorry but without Kyuubi he cant stand to a Kage level ninja

Did you even read any of my points? Naruto is far from jounin level even without the nine tails.

 

[Naruto9001]

Ya but Naruto without 9 tails inside means less Chakra so thats also mean less Shadow Clones and that also mean slower learning curve.

Naruto's enormous chakra comes from him being a uzumaki. Uzumakis have 100x more chakra than regular ninjas.

 

[Gitch]

Red: That is complete bullshit. You're basing that off nothing but your own assumptions.

Underlined: Base Naruto has shadow clones, Rasengan and Rasenshuriken, so I would put him definitely on jonin level, but he doesn't have the speed, strength or skill to match up to the current Kage. You're not considered Kage level just by spamming the same three techniques over and over again. At best Base Naruto would be S-class.

And Naruto base wouldnt be able to use Rasenshiruken because it hurts him, he has to be in sage mode to throw it.

 

[Gitch]

Naruto's enormous chakra comes from him being a uzumaki. Uzumakis have 100x more chakra than regular ninjas.

100 x more is a little exagerated .
He would lose a huge piece of is chakra without the nine tails but he would be better at controlling it.

Edit : sry for double post

 

[Melizzle]

I agree that he'd be kage level. I mean yeah he uses shadow clones but can you really hate on someone who uses something that just about everyone knows that well. Minato could've used shadow clones in his development of the rasengan too, you don't know...

Also for the most part until the war, all the kyuubi did was give him more chakra (which he doesn't need to use that often) and the ability to heal quickly. Other than that when he's in kyuubi mode, he can't think, hurts himself, and his just pure strength which isn't that good, he could kill himself that way because he's so vulnerable.

Naruto is 16 and no prodigy, he's done very well for himself in this short time ( I say short time in considering the peak of most ninja that we've seen which Naruto has no reached yet. It is normally around age 30ish) and I think he is kage level without the Kyuubi. Along with Sasuke. Not the top kage of course, but yes in their league.

Also his sage mode is boss. He learned it perfectly, yes with clones but thats a part of him and his strength.

 

[Urda]

He is a Genin. Nothing more. It is your opinion that is is even Kage Level, but he has not the title of Kage. Maybe in power and some skill, but not necessarily a Kage Level Shinobi. However, he is the Main Character, but he is technically still a Genin until Kishi says other-wise.

 

[panther27]

i would say high level jonin with out the 9 tails.

 

[Naruto9001]

Red: That is complete bullshit. You're basing that off nothing but your own assumptions.

Underlined: Base Naruto has shadow clones, Rasengan and Rasenshuriken, so I would put him definitely on jonin level, but he doesn't have the speed, strength or skill to match up to the current Kage. You're not considered Kage level just by spamming the same three techniques over and over again. At best Base Naruto would be S-class.

Well my assumption is pretty accurate if it took him 3 years to make a regular rassengan even if it was by himself without a clone then there's no way he can make a rassenshuriken in even a year with a clone.

He could be on a kages level it took Oonokis best jinton tech to destroy Madara's forest but Naruto was able to destroy it with a tiny bit of kyubi's chakra probadly equal to his healthy base chakra.

 

[zerimus]

100 x more is a little exagerated .
He would lose a huge piece of is chakra without the nine tails but he would be better at controlling it.

Edit : sry for double post

well during most of the manga naruto was using alot of his chakra to supress the nine tails chakra.

so with out the 9tail he would of had more of his own chakra.

notice only uzumaki have been the only 9 tail jinchuuriki.