Naruto chapter 637: Some clarifications

[Bogard]

Notice that around Madara's aura,

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, which i believe represent the cracks you see on every Edo. I believe we see them only to show the processus from quiting Edo tensei body to a living corpse. And if you look carefully pages after pages, you'll notice that the cracks were disappearing one after other panels,

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, through

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, to

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But Minato supposedly killed Obito the page later

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Which stopped Madara's resurrection(with cracks reappearing)

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So Obito was really a second about to revive Madara before Minato striked him down. But

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, Obito infact was still alive, and he took the opportunity to become Juubi's host by absorbing it(smh) within himself

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So it's not Obito who freed himself from Madara's control. It's Minato the one who stopped the connection between them, and Obito took the opportunity to become Juubi's Jinchuriki, which was his aim from the start when he appeared above it

Before people show Naruto's statement, this is the correct translation by Rei

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Naruto: Madara's control broke!! That was his aim from the start... That guy wanted to become... The Juubi's jinchuuriki!!

Naruto didn't say Obito freed himself from Madara's control. He only noticed Madara's control broke(because of Minato), but that Obito's aim from the start was to become Juubi's Jinchuriki

Also, concerning Hashirama, i'd like to point out that according to the same traduction, he was infact expecting Rinnetensei to work, reason why he(and Tobirama) mobilised their clones to attack the "revived" Madara when it would happen

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Madara: Do you plan on attacking me, in case you can't stop Obito in time?... You should know... I won't be stopped by mere clones. (The English translation can't convey the happenings clearly. Madara means Hashirama is expecting Rinne Tensei to work and he'll try to strike Madara down as soon as he's mortal again. Hashi is waiting for the moment Madara is revived to attack him.)

Summary:

1- Madara controlling Obito was about to revive with the Rinne-rebirth
2- Hashirama order Sasuke and Naruto to strike Obito down(to stop the jutsu)
3- But expecting it not to work, he(and Tobirama) sent their clones in order to kill Madara the time he revive himself
4- Minato striked Obito down stopping the jutsu
5- Obito took advantage of this to become Juubi's Jinchuriki which was his aim from the start

 

[Draphsin]

So basically what you're saying is that minato is the reason for juubito's existence?

Nice one yellow flash ...

 

[Bogard]

So basically what you're saying is that minato is the reason for juubito's existence?

Nice one yellow flash ...

It's one way to see this

 

[Edo Odin]

Good thread. The amount of people that had trouble understanding the chapter was quite astonishing, so this should be of good use to them.

Personally, I felt that one of the most interesting part of the chapter was Hashirama's statement about the Rinne Tensei. For some reason, he stated that it was a Kinjutsu made by the Sage of Six Paths, which raises the questions of who the Sage revived with the Jutsu, and how Hashirama was even aware of the fact that the Sage used it..Anyone have any thoughts on that?

 

[theacknowledgedone]

Thank you for the Clarification man.

 

[Bogard]

Good thread. The amount of people that had trouble understanding the chapter was quite astonishing, so this should be of good use to them.

Personally, I felt that one of the most interesting part of the chapter was Hashirama's statement about the Rinne Tensei. For some reason, he stated that it was a Kinjutsu made by the Sage of Six Paths, which raises the questions of who the Sage revived with the Jutsu, and how Hashirama was even aware of the fact that the Sage used it..Anyone have any thoughts on that?

Yeah Hashirama's knowledge on the matter surprised me as well. I think maybe Rikudo left something equivalent to Uchiha's tablet on the Senju side, or maybe he got the knowledge from Madara smh(which i find also unlikely). Thanks anyway

 

[ramzilla20]

good job, hopefully after this chapter obito will strike against madara

 

[Edo Odin]

Yeah Hashirama's knowledge on the matter surprised me as well. I think maybe Rikudo left something equivalent to Uchiha's tablet on the Senju side, or maybe he got the knowledge from Madara smh(which i find also unlikely). Thanks anyway

Exactly, I was thinking about something similar, with something similar to the Tablet having been passed down to the Senju line.

Another option might be that he received the info from the Tailed Beasts somehow too, when he had them under control. Don't really see why they'd tell him anything about that though.

 

[AlphaScythian]

What kind of BS is that? I never found obito killed there.
How often some1 dead comes to life by himself? GEEZ

Obito had to deal with madara, hole in a chest, wound from minato, in the end he pulled his shit together and sealed juubi.

Minato isnt a hero here, all what he's done in this chapter had no impact on outcome.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Yeah Hashirama's knowledge on the matter surprised me as well. I think maybe Rikudo left something equivalent to Uchiha's tablet on the Senju side, or maybe he got the knowledge from Madara smh(which i find also unlikely). Thanks anyway

That would be the Scroll of Seals (seen in chapter 1) and no, the Senjus did not inherit/own it, the Uzumaki Clan did, which Mito passed on to Hashirama's safekeeping.

It was never stated that Hashirama created or owned the Scroll, all that was said is that he sealed/forbade it:

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The Scroll contained the Fuuinjutsu of being Kurama's Jinchuuriki

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And that Fuuinjutsu is of Uzumaki Origin:

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The Scroll is Rikudou's and the Uzumaki Clan acquired it because Rikudou Sennin himself is an Uzumaki.

It is the scroll on the back of Rikūdo's effigy:

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[Bogard]

Exactly, I was thinking about something similar, with something similar to the Tablet having been passed down to the Senju line.

Another option might be that he received the info from the Tailed Beasts somehow too, when he had them under control. Don't really see why they'd tell him anything about that though.

Maybe because they loved his wood Jk, but i hope we could get more info about it

What kind of BS is that? I never found obito killed there.
How often some1 dead comes to life by himself? GEEZ

Obito had to deal with madara, hole in a chest, wound from minato, in the end he pulled his shit together and sealed juubi.

Minato isnt a hero here, all what he's done in this chapter had no impact on outcome.

I never said Obito was killed. I said Minato thought he was dead(Sasuke as well), only to notice it wasn't the case. It's the most logical explanation that comes from the manga. It has nothing to do about making Minato a hero or not, but whatever makes you feel better

 

[Strawberry]

yes minato just made the war harder, damn him XD ..............

jubito + edo madara > jubidara

 

[Bogard]

yes minato just made the war harder, damn him XD ..............

jubito + edo madara > jubidara

I'd wait to see Jubito's performance before judging what would be harder, but yeah poor them XD

 

[Edo Odin]

I had actually forgotten about that scroll lmao..The chances of it being from the Rikudo are quite high, after all, it was stated that

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, and like Derp mentioned, that technique was included in the Scroll.

Perhaps, the scroll includes some info on the Rinne Tensei itself. After all, Hashirama mentioned that the Jutsu was a Kinjutsu, and like we know, the scroll has been shown to contain Kinjutsu, such as the Tajuu Kage Bunshin.

 

[Bogard]

That would be the Scroll of Seals (seen in chapter 1) and no, the Senjus did not inherit/own it, the Uzumaki Clan did, which Mito passed on to Hashirama's safekeeping.

It was never stated that Hashirama created or owned the Scroll, all that was said is that he sealed/forbade it:

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The Scroll contained the Fuuinjutsu of being Kurama's Jinchuuriki

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And that Fuuinjutsu is of Uzumaki Origin:

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The Scroll is Rikudou's and the Uzumaki Clan acquired it because Rikudou Sennin himself is an Uzumaki.

It is the scroll on the back of Rikūdo's effigy:

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Could be But there is something weird concerning your pics. Mizuki says that the scroll was used to seal Naruto, but if it's the case, does it mean that it was Minato's scroll? Had he that in his possession?

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

I had actually forgotten about that scroll lmao..The chances of it being from the Rikudo are quite high, after all, it was stated that

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, and like Derp mentioned, that technique was included in the Scroll.

Perhaps, the scroll includes some info on the Rinne Tensei itself. After all, Hashirama mentioned that the Jutsu was a Kinjutsu, and like we know, the scroll has been shown to contain Kinjutsu, such as the Tajuu Kage Bunshin.

Indeed, and that is why there were no Jinchūrikis before the Uzumaki Clan allied themselves with Konoha. Because the Scroll of Seals belonged to the Uzumaki Clan, because if the scroll was in the possession of the Senjus ever since, then why did they not create Senju Jinchūrikis during the Clan Wars? Butsuma would've used it, his father and his father's father would've made Jins already but they didn't, it's because they couldn't, the Scroll is Uzumaki Property, also noticed how Taje Kage Bunshin was tailored for an Uzumaki because it requires very high chakra reserves to utilize efficiently and Naruto as an Uzumaki can, which hints that the creator of the jutsu was also an Uzumaki, Rikūdo Sennin.

Could be But there is something weird concerning your pics. Mizuki says that the scroll was used to seal Naruto, but if it's the case, does it mean that it was Minato's scroll? Had he that in his possession?

The Scroll was in the incumbent Hokage's safekeeping, just like Hiruzen had it during part 1

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What Mizuki meant was that the info. In the scroll was used to seal Kurama inside Naruto (The Fūinjutsu of Jinchūriki)

 

[BloodSeed]

yes minato just made the war harder, damn him XD ..............

jubito + edo madara > jubidara

You choose jubidara or jubito? Madara will surely be the host if obito didnot steal the jubii. As stated by madara a clone cannot stop him

 

[Zetsueno]

Ah, great thread. hadn't noticed that Madara was losing the edo-tensei cracks.

What kind of BS is that? I never found obito killed there.
How often some1 dead comes to life by himself? GEEZ

Obito had to deal with madara, hole in a chest, wound from minato, in the end he pulled his shit together and sealed juubi.

Minato isnt a hero here, all what he's done in this chapter had no impact on outcome.

Wrong, Minato is a hero here, and made a more than significant impact on the outcome of this war. If you can't get that fact through your think head, I'll explain:

If Madara was revived, Obito would die, and he wouldn't expect anyone else to revive or edo him again...(1)

Therefore, Madara wouldn't revive himself knowing that Hashi's clones would kill him immediately, meaning he was confident that he could be the Juubi Jinchuuriki even if there were those clones looking to pawn him the moment he's revived...(2)

And if there's anything we've learned in this arc, its that Madara's confidence in his strength should not be questioned...(3)

Madara is too hax already, I doubt even S06P could stand upto him if he gets hold of Juubi, Obito on the otherhand is the much less dangerous than Madara...(4)

i.e by preventing Madara from becoming Juubi Juinchuuriki (albeit letting Obito become one) means the mankind has a better chance of escaping total obliteration...(5)

From (1) (2) (3) (4) and (5), it can be concluded Minato HAS made a change in the outcome of this war, infact, he basically gave the world a 50% better chance for survival.

Edit: 50% is simply a figure given just because I can. You get the idea, in any case, so please don't make a hassle over it.

 

[grizzlyshree]

its funny some people hate minato though. i like to ssee more from edo hokages

 

[Xerotes]

I agree with this, good read. :hooray: