Naruto Chakra cloaks, Sasuke's Sword Stab - Overview [No Inconsistency]

[lucario14]

He blocked it with a TSB. Look closely; there are small black shards flying around. Naruto had no time to move his hand or claw forward.

Yea but how does naruto get sent flying back when the TSB aren't directly connected to him. They're just floating there.

 

[shelke]

Yea but how does naruto get sent flying back when the TSB aren't directly connected to him. They're just floating there.

He got thrown back, just like Madara from Gai's kick, from the force of the hit. The shards prove that Chidori made contact with a TSB.

Lol at blunt being compared to sharp.

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This is also correct:

- BM Bee got roasted by the blast back of V2 Juubi and his own max powered TBB. Hachibi was so injured that he had to revert back.

- Yet, the same tails Hachibi used to protect itself were pierced through by Chidori Spear like butter.

People need to understand here, that a sharp point can pierce just about anything, regardless of defense.

 

[KeyofDestiny]

I didn't say he would evade him but that he would take action. It doesn't matter that the chakra claw is on the right, he can manipulate it's shape.

If he could, he would've done it. You stated that he blocked with the chakra claw, and nothing shows that he did. So where is this assumption coming from? Him being able to change it's shape doesn't mean that it's going to block an attack on his left unless he moves it so that it can block said attack.

Chidori is a piercing move. If he had just used his left arm, how would he be sent flying back that far.

Obviously because Chidori just slammed against him instead of piercing him, because it can't pierce him.

It makes more sense that he used something to block it with a wide base to reduce pressure. His left arm does not have a large area. A bruising attack like rasengan maybe would have that effect but a chidori with direct contact to his regular arm would sever it.

His left arm not having a large area doesn't matter since it's area is larger or as large as Sasuke's hand in the position it is when he's using Chidori. Chidori with direct contact to his regular arm would only sever it if it was actually strong enough to pierce him, which it wasn't.

 

[Seventh Sama]

Meh, Naruto wasn't in full RSM. So im not that bothered by this nerf.

 

[LeSauce]

The hand is present, on the other side. Not sure how you missed that. Naruto states "on the left". His right hand is the one transformed. Naruto blocked it with his regular, left arm. Naruto sensing Sasuke isn't evidence that Naruto can properly evade Sasuke. Letting himself get hit has nothing to do with it.



How about we realize the things we've said so I don't have to quote you on it?



You stated that it doesn't offer much protection. That's BS and that's what my post is showing. You also said it's perfectly logical for him to be stabbed by a sword. Also BS.



Not fully, but it's still major protection, so my point stands.




Why tank an attack when you can dodge it completely? Dodging is always a better option. Naruto could've entered RSM and bathed in that Katon, yet he blocked it with a chakra arm. Not sure why you are telling me Chidori doesn't add that kind of force when the Manga clearly shows Sasuke hitting him and sending him flying into the water. Not sure why you are telling me chidori only tapped him when Manga clearly shows that is false. Not sure where you are getting these assumptions from, but they clash with what already happened.



No....You showed some chakra flaring on his arm, and stated that it was due to damage when you not only have no proof for that, it makes no sense for him to have been injured at that time when he tanks stronger attacks later on.



When you can prove that "as hard as Naruto" means hard enough to pierce Madara, then we can talk. Also, Black Six Paths Chidori and regular chidori are different types of Chidori.



That's Chidori streamed through his sword.



Yes, it was. It's Chidori in a sword form, which is weaker than Chidori in it's regular form. Not sure what is so hard to understand. Sasuke didn't pierce Madara because he didn't aim to pierce him. By continuously denying the obvious, you are basically telling me that you think Sasuke's Chidori Katana is stronger than regular Chidori when that has shown to be false.



What in the....? Are you actually trying to tell me that Sasuke wasn't aiming to kill Naruto, despite saying many times that he's going to kill him? Despite him goading Naruto into fighting seriously? Despite challenging Naruto to a battle to the death? What?

Sorry pal. Don't debate Manga fact. The Katon distracts Naruto and gets his attention focused on that so Sasuke can easily land an attack from the back using Amenotejikara. That was the strategy. Base Naruto having no defense is completely irrelevant because Naruto is not restricted to Base.

Can you not see the force he put into it? There's literally backlash from it. Not only that, but Sasuke actually made a bigger dent than Naruto. As well, if Naruto had put more force than Sasuke, Madara would have been tossed towards Sasuke's side. Even if the force wasn't the same, that's still enough force for Chidori to pierce seeing as it never gets a backlash, even against an opponent he couldn't fully pierce. -->

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It's the same concept. Sasuke pierced him in order to paralyze him. The sword isn't doing a thing but channeling Chidori so it makes no difference since it's the same as what Sasuke does with his hand. I also showed it to prove that Sasuke will pierce someone regardless of whether or not he wants to paralyze them, i.e, he doesn't hold back his strength. Along with that is the fact that Sasuke made the motion he always does when he wants to pierce something.

The mere fact that you say it's weaker proves that it's not the same. Not only that, it wasn't black either. The katana pierced something Chidori couldn't. You're giving Sasuke a feat he has never shown. Since when has Sasuke been able to control whether he wants to pierce someone or not? Since when has Sasuke chosen not to pierce someone?

Didn't you see when he told Naruto to go all out? Are you seriously telling me that Sasuke, the guy who didn't set up against Madara nor Kaguya, both of whom are greater than Naruto in base form, is going to set up an attack against Naruto? That's ridiculous. At that moment, if Sasuke had not used the firball, Naruto would have been slashed through.

It does matter if he could activate RSM later on because base Naruto wouldn't even have known that Sasuke was behind him, i.e, base Naruto wouldn't have sensed it and gotten hit cleanly.

 

[KeyofDestiny]

Can you not see the force he put into it? There's literally backlash from it. Not only that, but Sasuke actually made a bigger dent than Naruto. As well, if Naruto had put more force than Sasuke, Madara would have been tossed towards Sasuke's side. Even if the force wasn't the same, that's still enough force for Chidori to pierce seeing as it never gets a backlash, even against an opponent he couldn't fully pierce. -->

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It's the same concept. Sasuke pierced him in order to paralyze him. The sword isn't doing a thing but channeling Chidori so it makes no difference since it's the same as what Sasuke does with his hand. I also showed it to prove that Sasuke will pierce someone regardless of whether or not he wants to paralyze them, i.e, he doesn't hold back his strength. Along with that is the fact that Sasuke made the motion he always does when he wants to pierce something.

The mere fact that you say it's weaker proves that it's not the same. Not only that, it wasn't black either. The katana pierced something Chidori couldn't. You're giving Sasuke a feat he has never shown. Since when has Sasuke been able to control whether he wants to pierce someone or not? Since when has Sasuke chosen not to pierce someone?

Look. I'm going to break this down to bare basics since this is so hard for you to grasp.

-Sasuke uses Black Chidori. Doesn't pierce Madara.
-Sasuke uses Chidori Katana, which is not black, and bisects him.
-Regular Chidori is stronger than all variants.

That either means: Regular Chidori>Chidori Katana>>Black Chidori. Or Sasuke didn't put enough force into the Chidori to pierce. It does not mean that a sword has pierced through what a regular Chidori cannot pierce through.

You keep telling me "he did this, he did that", but there being impact signs after he gets hit doesn't prove that he used enough force to pierce Madara's body. It only proves that he used enough force to cause that impact sign to appear. The same thing did NOT happen against Ay, so why are you mentioning it.

You keep using other unrelated isntances as proof that Sasuke did what you said he did here, but those instances are, oh wait, unrelated, so why in the world are you referencing them? We are talking about THIS. Not mentioning THAT.

Didn't you see when he told Naruto to go all out? Are you seriously telling me that Sasuke, the guy who didn't set up against Madara nor Kaguya, both of whom are greater than Naruto in base form, is going to set up an attack against Naruto? That's ridiculous. At that moment, if Sasuke had not used the firball, Naruto would have been slashed through.

Like I said. Your opinion is irrelevant. Sasuke said that he's going to kill Naruto, multiple times. I'm going to believe his words over your opinion any day of the week. That simple.

It does matter if he could activate RSM later on because base Naruto wouldn't even have known that Sasuke was behind him, i.e, base Naruto wouldn't have sensed it and gotten hit cleanly.

Lets use some common sense here. If Naruto has Sasuke in his sights, and he just vanishes, (while they are fighting each other no less) the clear assumption is that Sasuke's coming to attack him. Activating RSM would be the next thing to do.

But nonetheless, arguing about that little detail is irrelevant. Sasuke said that he was going to kill Naruto. Sasuke challenged him to a battle to the death. You sound foolish sitting here trying to tell me that Sasuke wasn't trying to kill him. You sound silly disagreeing with the Manga.

 

[LeSauce]

Look. I'm going to break this down to bare basics since this is so hard for you to grasp.

-Sasuke uses Black Chidori. Doesn't pierce Madara.
-Sasuke uses Chidori Katana, which is not black, and bisects him.
-Regular Chidori is stronger than all variants.

That either means: Regular Chidori>Chidori Katana>>Black Chidori. Or Sasuke didn't put enough force into the Chidori to pierce. It does not mean that a sword has pierced through what a regular Chidori cannot pierce through.

You keep telling me "he did this, he did that", but there being impact signs after he gets hit doesn't prove that he used enough force to pierce Madara's body. It only proves that he used enough force to cause that impact sign to appear. The same thing did NOT happen against Ay, so why are you mentioning it.

You keep using other unrelated isntances as proof that Sasuke did what you said he did here, but those instances are, oh wait, unrelated, so why in the world are you referencing them? We are talking about THIS. Not mentioning THAT.



Like I said. Your opinion is irrelevant. Sasuke said that he's going to kill Naruto, multiple times. I'm going to believe his words over your opinion any day of the week. That simple.



Lets use some common sense here. If Naruto has Sasuke in his sights, and he just vanishes, (while they are fighting each other no less) the clear assumption is that Sasuke's coming to attack him. Activating RSM would be the next thing to do.

But nonetheless, arguing about that little detail is irrelevant. Sasuke said that he was going to kill Naruto. Sasuke challenged him to a battle to the death. You sound foolish sitting here trying to tell me that Sasuke wasn't trying to kill him. You sound silly disagreeing with the Manga.

Impact signals and the dents prove that Sasuke hit with enough force to pierce. There's never a dent when something gets pierced and there's never impact signals unless it failed to do so.

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Look at this scan and see the force that caused that impact signal. That happened because it was a blunt force.

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Now look at this one. Why would Sasuke's Chidori sword have the same hit marks if it isn't a blunt object? Because it isn't sharp enough to pierce or slash, therefore it's as if he was just hitting really hard.

When something pierces it doesn't cause that backlash or make a dent as big as that, just like the sword didn't.

The only answer is that it failed to pierce Madara.

It's called bringing up other eividence to prove something. Madara didn't get a dent, nor did he get hitmarks when Sasuke used that same technique on him.

I mention Ay to show that when they pierce, that doesn't happen.

Sasuke also told Naruto to go all out..He isn't going to kill Naruto at his weakest, he wants Naruto to go all out so that he can kill him then and prove his superiority.

And how is Naruto going to react when he could barely react in RSM form? Sasuke could be anywhere out of sight as well, not just behind him.

 

[KeyofDestiny]

Impact signals and the dents prove that Sasuke hit with enough force to pierce. There's never a dent when something gets pierced and there's never impact signals unless it failed to do so.

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Look at this scan and see the force that caused that impact signal. That happened because it was a blunt force.

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Now look at this one. Why would Sasuke's Chidori sword have the same hit marks if it isn't a blunt object? Because it isn't sharp enough to pierce or slash, therefore it's as if he was just hitting really hard.

When something pierces it doesn't cause that backlash or make a dent as big as that, just like the sword didn't.

The only answer is that it failed to pierce Madara.

It's called bringing up other eividence to prove something. Madara didn't get a dent, nor did he get hitmarks when Sasuke used that same technique on him.

I mention Ay to show that when they pierce, that doesn't happen.

This is getting ridiculous. Let's assume that Madara tanked that full powered Black Chidori. Six Paths Chidori=/=Regular Chidori. All this would mean if it were true is that Black Chidori's feats aren't as good as regular Chidori, since the regular Chidori formed into a blade cut Madara in half.

Sasuke also told Naruto to go all out..He isn't going to kill Naruto at his weakest, he wants Naruto to go all out so that he can kill him then and prove his superiority.

He never told him to go out. He only said he'll die if he keeps slacking. Lmao. His goal wasn't to beat Naruto and prove he's stronger. His goal was to kill him. Period.

And how is Naruto going to react when he could barely react in RSM form? Sasuke could be anywhere out of sight as well, not just behind him.

He reacted. He turned around before Sasuke could hit him. All he needs to do is activate RSM. One thought. If he's out of sight, then how will he attack him?

 

[LeSauce]

This is getting ridiculous. Let's assume that Madara tanked that full powered Black Chidori. Six Paths Chidori=/=Regular Chidori. All this would mean if it were true is that Black Chidori's feats aren't as good as regular Chidori, since the regular Chidori formed into a blade cut Madara in half.



He never told him to go out. He only said he'll die if he keeps slacking. Lmao. His goal wasn't to beat Naruto and prove he's stronger. His goal was to kill him. Period.



He reacted. He turned around before Sasuke could hit him. All he needs to do is activate RSM. One thought. If he's out of sight, then how will he attack him?

And yet that same Chidori was already proven to be stronger in part 1 when Sasuke used it against a superior Rasengan.

He also said that Naruto finally went all out, as if he was waiting for him to.

In that one thought he misses his chance to react. He has to do more since he's in base. For example, he has to know where the attack is coming from as soon as gets into RSM, which he won't be able to do as he barely had enough time the first time.

Still, that's assuming he even knows that Sasuke is behind him, which he won't know, just like he didn't know Kaguya would appear behind him.

 

[KeyofDestiny]

And yet that same Chidori was already proven to be stronger in part 1 when Sasuke used it against a superior Rasengan.

That's why what you are saying makes no sense.

He also said that Naruto finally went all out, as if he was waiting for him to.

Nope. Him noting that Naruto is finally going all out is because Naruto spent the majority of the fight not going all out.

In that one thought he misses his chance to react. He has to do more since he's in base. For example, he has to know where the attack is coming from as soon as gets into RSM, which he won't be able to do as he barely had enough time the first time.

Still, that's assuming he even knows that Sasuke is behind him, which he won't know, just like he didn't know Kaguya would appear behind him.

Fine. Doesn't prove your point though. He made his goal clear. To kill Naruto. That simple.

 

[LeSauce]

That's why what you are saying makes no sense.



Nope. Him noting that Naruto is finally going all out is because Naruto spent the majority of the fight not going all out.



Fine. Doesn't prove your point though. He made his goal clear. To kill Naruto. That simple.

But it happened. That Chidori failed to pierce Madara.

It does prove my point. If Sasuke truly wanted to kill Naruto at anytime he would have attacked without using a Katon, like he has everyone else.

 

[KeyofDestiny]

But it happened. That Chidori failed to pierce Madara.

No one ever denied it didn't pierce. Why it didn't is the issue.

It does prove my point. If Sasuke truly wanted to kill Naruto at anytime he would have attacked without using a Katon, like he has everyone else.

Except Sasuke stated multiple times that his goal was to kill him. Not to beat him in a fair fight. Sasuke not beginning the fight with a head on attack doesn't trump what Sasuke himself stated, multiple times.

 

[LeSauce]

No one ever denied it didn't pierce. Why it didn't is the issue.



Except Sasuke stated multiple times that his goal was to kill him. Not to beat him in a fair fight. Sasuke not beginning the fight with a head on attack doesn't trump what Sasuke himself stated, multiple times.

Who knows.

Then why would he give Naruto the chance to react? Anyway, this has nothing to do with everything else.

 

[lucario14]

He did not use his arm, chakra claw or TSB to tank it. It just hit his body. A sword can pierce through him when even force is exerted on that sword, or anything sharp. If Sasuke had used his

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, it would have impaled him, just like that sword did when it Shin was controlling it.

No it wasn't warped into Naruto's body, it was driven into his abdomen by some telekinetic ability with some force. Madara got piecred by Sasuke's sword too but in this case he charged into it so Madara was providing the force needed to impale himself by charging at Sasuke, and Sasuke just switched himself.

If he could, he would've done it. You stated that he blocked with the chakra claw, and nothing shows that he did. So where is this assumption coming from? Him being able to change it's shape doesn't mean that it's going to block an attack on his left unless he moves it so that it can block said attack.


Obviously because Chidori just slammed against him instead of piercing him, because it can't pierce him.



His left arm not having a large area doesn't matter since it's area is larger or as large as Sasuke's hand in the position it is when he's using Chidori. Chidori with direct contact to his regular arm would only sever it if it was actually strong enough to pierce him, which it wasn't.

It seems he did tank it after all. If black chidori

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then regular chidori wouldn't pierce through Naruto.

 

[shelke]

I agree with LeSauce. Saying he wanted to kill him doesn't mean he went all out from the get go. The very thought is hilarious. I do disagree with Chidori though, as it's far more powerful than Chidori Kusanagi. Its power can be brought up and down.

He did not use his arm, chakra claw or TSB to tank it. It just hit his body. A sword can pierce through him when even force is exerted on that sword, or anything sharp. If Sasuke had used his

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, it would have impaled him, just like that sword did when it Shin was controlling it.

No it wasn't warped into Naruto's body, it was driven into his abdomen by some telekinetic ability with some force. Madara got piecred by Sasuke's sword too but in this case he charged into it so Madara was providing the force needed to impale himself by charging at Sasuke, and Sasuke just switched himself.It seems he did tank it after all. If black chidori

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then regular chidori wouldn't pierce through Naruto.

He definitely blocked it with TSB; the shards prove it. Otherwise, he would have been impaled.

Madara moved out and used Limbo as a substitute before it could do any damage. Whether black Chidori is more powerful or not is debatable, as I already explained; Sasuke is the only person bar 3rd Raikage to increase the powers by using less fingers. The less the fingers used for chidori, the sharper the point.

Raikage's Black Chidori is nothing but Chidori focused on a single finger.

 

[lucario14]

I agree with LeSauce. Saying he wanted to kill him doesn't mean he went all out from the get go. The very thought is hilarious. I do disagree with Chidori though, as it's far more powerful than Chidori Kusanagi. Its power can be brought up and down.



He definitely blocked it with TSB; the shards prove it. Otherwise, he would have been impaled.

Madara moved out and used Limbo as a substitute before it could do any damage. Whether black Chidori is more powerful or not is debatable, as I already explained; Sasuke is the only person bar 3rd Raikage to increase the powers by using less fingers. The less the fingers used for chidori, the sharper the point.

Raikage's Black Chidori is nothing but Chidori focused on a single finger.

They're not shards.

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is what shards look like. We can clearly see them. Those are just some black dots. Again how is it possible that Naruto got sent flying back if he hit the TSB? Wouldn't it just be the TSB that gets sent back? Also look at the way Naruto was falling. His body was leading and his legs were lagging. It's as though he was hit somewhere in the upper body.

Whether it was the limbo or his main body it should still have penetrated through his body like Sasuke's katana, chidori spear, JJ Obito's arm and BZ's arm.