Naruto Chakra cloaks, Sasuke's Sword Stab - Overview [No Inconsistency]

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In any case. The sword wasn't warped into naruto. As you can, the end of the sword has blood on it, indicating the sword pierced naruto and not just appeared in him.

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How about no?

-KCM takes Han's with negligible damage. Do you think that Base Naruto would take that kick right to his jaw and still be alive? Or relatively uninjured? The kick was strong enough to cause some damage to the cliff after throwing Naruto back a few meters. The main thing to pay attention to, is that B has physical strength surpassing Ay, and he used his partial Bijuu transformation yet he still got thrown back with Naruto. That's how much force was in the kick.

-KCM takes Roshi's lava and doesn't have his Base Naruto obviously can't do that.

-KCM lets Naruto survive Tenpenchii (at the cost of the mode), and it lets him tank Madara's Katon. Base Naruto would be dead.

-Sage Naruto can fall a few feet and land face first on giant spiked rocks, yet come out with absolutely no damage.

Yet somehow it's logical for a sword to pierce Naruto when he's using KCM and SM together? What? :lol.

Oh wait, he's using RSM as he lacks pigmentation and his skin isn't glowing. RSM Naruto tanked Sasuke's Chidori at the valley of the end, and yes it hit him as he was tossed back. No damage. But somehow a sword pierces him? If you are telling me that with the info we currently have, this conclusion makes sense, you'd be telling me that Sword>Rikudo Sasuke's Chidori.
 

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How about no?

-KCM takes Han's with negligible damage. Do you think that Base Naruto would take that kick right to his jaw and still be alive? Or relatively uninjured? The kick was strong enough to cause some damage to the cliff after throwing Naruto back a few meters. The main thing to pay attention to, is that B has physical strength surpassing Ay, and he used his partial Bijuu transformation yet he still got thrown back with Naruto. That's how much force was in the kick.

-KCM takes Roshi's lava and doesn't have his Base Naruto obviously can't do that.

-KCM lets Naruto survive Tenpenchii (at the cost of the mode), and it lets him tank Madara's Katon. Base Naruto would be dead.

-Sage Naruto can fall a few feet and land face first on giant spiked rocks, yet come out with absolutely no damage.

Yet somehow it's logical for a sword to pierce Naruto when he's using KCM and SM together? What? :lol.

Oh wait, he's using RSM as he lacks pigmentation and his skin isn't glowing. RSM Naruto tanked Sasuke's Chidori at the valley of the end, and yes it hit him as he was tossed back. No damage. But somehow a sword pierces him? If you are telling me that with the info we currently have, this conclusion makes sense, you'd be telling me that Sword>Rikudo Sasuke's Chidori.
Kishimoto and his inconsistencies smh
 
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How about no?

-KCM takes Han's with negligible damage. Do you think that Base Naruto would take that kick right to his jaw and still be alive? Or relatively uninjured? The kick was strong enough to cause some damage to the cliff after throwing Naruto back a few meters. The main thing to pay attention to, is that B has physical strength surpassing Ay, and he used his partial Bijuu transformation yet he still got thrown back with Naruto. That's how much force was in the kick.

-KCM takes Roshi's lava and doesn't have his Base Naruto obviously can't do that.

-KCM lets Naruto survive Tenpenchii (at the cost of the mode), and it lets him tank Madara's Katon. Base Naruto would be dead.

-Sage Naruto can fall a few feet and land face first on giant spiked rocks, yet come out with absolutely no damage.

Yet somehow it's logical for a sword to pierce Naruto when he's using KCM and SM together? What? :lol.

Oh wait, he's using RSM as he lacks pigmentation and his skin isn't glowing. RSM Naruto tanked Sasuke's Chidori at the valley of the end, and yes it hit him as he was tossed back. No damage. But somehow a sword pierces him? If you are telling me that with the info we currently have, this conclusion makes sense, you'd be telling me that Sword>Rikudo Sasuke's Chidori.
Just replying to the last part.

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Chidori has already failed to pierce someone when a katana had already done it.
 
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Just replying to the last part.

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Chidori has already failed to pierce someone when a katana had already done it.
Sasuke's aim wasn't to pierce. It was to paralyze. He cut him in half with the same Chidori two pages later.
 

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Sasuke's aim wasn't to pierce. It was to paralyze. He cut him in half with the same Chidori two pages later.
Since when can he choose what the Chidori does? It's a tech used to pierce unless he uses it on a weapon. That would create a whole bunch of problems. I would be able to say the same for when he attacked Naruto. He didn't want to pierce him because he wanted Naruto to go all out.

Still, his fingers are pointed forward, which is how he pierces as shown with Raikage.
 

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Since when can he choose what the Chidori does? It's a tech used to pierce unless he uses it on a weapon. That would create a whole bunch of problems. I would be able to say the same for when he attacked Naruto. He didn't want to pierce him because he wanted Naruto to go all out.

Still, his fingers are pointed forward, which is how he pierces as shown with Raikage.
Since he hit Madara, and caused paralyzed him by having the electric current spread around his whole body instead of running him through. If he didn't want to run him through, then he'd just not thrust hard enough to pierce him...or maybe the Chidori he used was for paralyzing and not piercing. Makes more sense than a full powered Chidori being unable to pierce Madara's skin considering Sasuke later used that same Chidori to cut him in half.

If Sasuke wants Naruto to go all out, he'll go for the kill. He's not going to hold back against him. That doesn't make sense, at all. And it goes against what Sasuke himself has already stated.
 

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Naruto seems to be able to "increase his durability" when he's aware and actually attempts to block/brace himself. However when he's unaware, it seems he can be damaged in chakra mode. I mean the guy twisted his ankle just from crashing into a wall, so he definitely isn't immune to damage. It's just like Bees tentacles, they can pretty much tank a Juubi laser, yet get sliced by a mere kunai.
 

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Since he hit Madara, and caused paralyzed him by having the electric current spread around his whole body instead of running him through. If he didn't want to run him through, then he'd just not thrust hard enough to pierce him...or maybe the Chidori he used was for paralyzing and not piercing. Makes more sense than a full powered Chidori being unable to pierce Madara's skin considering Sasuke later used that same Chidori to cut him in half.

If Sasuke wants Naruto to go all out, he'll go for the kill. He's not going to hold back against him. That doesn't make sense, at all. And it goes against what Sasuke himself has already stated.
There's only one type of Chidori shown from Sasuke. He thrust just as hard as Naruto did and still didn't pierce him. We know that there was sufficient force you can see Madara's body dent by the force.

As well, even if he wanted to simply paralyze him, he still would have pierced him, just like he did to Yamato.

The Chidori wasn't the same either.

As for Naruto, if Sasuke truly wanted to kill Naruto he wouldn't have used his katon as he has always attacked head on. This was shown against even superior opponents, like Madara and Kaguya. Base Naruto has no defense against Sasuke's S/T and would have been hit.
 

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How about no?

-KCM takes Han's with negligible damage. Do you think that Base Naruto would take that kick right to his jaw and still be alive? Or relatively uninjured? The kick was strong enough to cause some damage to the cliff after throwing Naruto back a few meters. The main thing to pay attention to, is that B has physical strength surpassing Ay, and he used his partial Bijuu transformation yet he still got thrown back with Naruto. That's how much force was in the kick.

-KCM takes Roshi's lava and doesn't have his Base Naruto obviously can't do that.

-KCM lets Naruto survive Tenpenchii (at the cost of the mode), and it lets him tank Madara's Katon. Base Naruto would be dead.

-Sage Naruto can fall a few feet and land face first on giant spiked rocks, yet come out with absolutely no damage.

Yet somehow it's logical for a sword to pierce Naruto when he's using KCM and SM together? What? :lol.

Oh wait, he's using RSM as he lacks pigmentation and his skin isn't glowing. RSM Naruto tanked Sasuke's Chidori at the valley of the end, and yes it hit him as he was tossed back. No damage. But somehow a sword pierces him? If you are telling me that with the info we currently have, this conclusion makes sense, you'd be telling me that Sword>Rikudo Sasuke's Chidori.
Lol how about we read the whole thing next time and correctly? I didnt say it offers no protection, I said it was less than Kyuubi chakra tails cloak.

KCM didnt protect him fully from Tenpachii, it was stripped away quickly and Naruto did not come out . He is injured.

Ok I agree its good protection against blunt force. I thought it was just a base kick from Han when I first looked at it but he was using his KKG.

Hold on. Why would Naruto bother to try and dodge if he could tank a chidori in that form? Why think to move? And he did move albeit a little push from Chidori which only tapped him. Even if Chidori couldnt pierce him, Naruto wouldnt be flying back from it like that, it doesnt add that kind of force.

And I already proved that regular sword were shown affecting the KCM cloak anyway.
 
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How about no?

-KCM takes Han's with negligible damage. Do you think that Base Naruto would take that kick right to his jaw and still be alive? Or relatively uninjured? The kick was strong enough to cause some damage to the cliff after throwing Naruto back a few meters. The main thing to pay attention to, is that B has physical strength surpassing Ay, and he used his partial Bijuu transformation yet he still got thrown back with Naruto. That's how much force was in the kick.

-KCM takes Roshi's lava and doesn't have his Base Naruto obviously can't do that.

-KCM lets Naruto survive Tenpenchii (at the cost of the mode), and it lets him tank Madara's Katon. Base Naruto would be dead.

-Sage Naruto can fall a few feet and land face first on giant spiked rocks, yet come out with absolutely no damage.

Yet somehow it's logical for a sword to pierce Naruto when he's using KCM and SM together? What? :lol.

Oh wait, he's using RSM as he lacks pigmentation and his skin isn't glowing. RSM Naruto tanked Sasuke's Chidori at the valley of the end, and yes it hit him as he was tossed back. No damage. But somehow a sword pierces him? If you are telling me that with the info we currently have, this conclusion makes sense, you'd be telling me that Sword>Rikudo Sasuke's Chidori.
Underlined: Didn't Naruto block it with the same chakra arm he used to block Sasuke's fireball jutsu? Check out the The hand is still present. This is further reinforced by the fact that Naruto sensed him and made a comment before he got hit. Would he just sense Sasuke and let himself be hit?
 
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I disagree. These clones and the original use Telekinesis. They make the objects move without touching them as we saw the kid do in the previous chapter. He literally made the shuriken not only levitate, but break apart as well. It might have more power behind the attacks, but we don't know.

Also, the warping into Naruto is incorrect. Look at this:

- Sasuke's hand is slackly hanging by his side:
- Here, it gets yanked sharply backwards, as if someone has pulled at something:
 

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I disagree. These clones and the original use Telekinesis. They make the objects move without touching them as we saw the kid do in the previous chapter. He literally made the shuriken not only levitate, but break apart as well. It might have more power behind the attacks, but we don't know.

Also, the warping into Naruto is incorrect. Look at this:

- Sasuke's hand is slackly hanging by his side:
- Here, it gets yanked sharply backwards, as if someone has pulled at something:
Yeah I dont see how people see it warping when Sasuke's hand was let hanging.
 

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Underlined: Didn't Naruto block it with the same chakra arm he used to block Sasuke's fireball jutsu? Check out the The hand is still present. This is further reinforced by the fact that Naruto sensed him and made a comment before he got hit. Would he just sense Sasuke and let himself be hit?
The hand is present, on the other side. Not sure how you missed that. Naruto states "on the left". His right hand is the one transformed. Naruto blocked it with his regular, left arm. Naruto sensing Sasuke isn't evidence that Naruto can properly evade Sasuke. Letting himself get hit has nothing to do with it.

Lol how about we read the whole thing next time and correctly? I didnt say it offers no protection, I said it was less than Kyuubi chakra tails cloak.
How about we realize the things we've said so I don't have to quote you on it?

The cloak that directly covers Naruto's body doesnt offer much protection at all. So its perfectly logical for him to be stabbed.
You stated that it doesn't offer much protection. That's BS and that's what my post is showing. You also said it's perfectly logical for him to be stabbed by a sword. Also BS.

KCM didnt protect him fully from Tenpachii, it was stripped away quickly and Naruto did not come out . He is injured.
Not fully, but it's still major protection, so my point stands.


Hold on. Why would Naruto bother to try and dodge if he could tank a chidori in that form? Why think to move? And he did move albeit a little push from Chidori which only tapped him. Even if Chidori couldnt pierce him, Naruto wouldnt be flying back from it like that, it doesnt add that kind of force.
Why tank an attack when you can dodge it completely? Dodging is always a better option. Naruto could've entered RSM and bathed in that Katon, yet he blocked it with a chakra arm. Not sure why you are telling me Chidori doesn't add that kind of force when the Manga clearly shows Sasuke hitting him and sending him flying into the water. Not sure why you are telling me chidori only tapped him when Manga clearly shows that is false. Not sure where you are getting these assumptions from, but they clash with what already happened.

And I already proved that regular sword were shown affecting the KCM cloak anyway.
No....You showed some chakra flaring on his arm, and stated that it was due to damage when you not only have no proof for that, it makes no sense for him to have been injured at that time when he tanks stronger attacks later on.

There's only one type of Chidori shown from Sasuke. He thrust just as hard as Naruto did and still didn't pierce him. We know that there was sufficient force you can see Madara's body dent by the force.
When you can prove that "as hard as Naruto" means hard enough to pierce Madara, then we can talk. Also, Black Six Paths Chidori and regular chidori are different types of Chidori.

As well, even if he wanted to simply paralyze him, he still would have pierced him, just like he did to Yamato.
That's Chidori streamed through his sword.

The Chidori wasn't the same either.
Yes, it was. It's Chidori in a sword form, which is weaker than Chidori in it's regular form. Not sure what is so hard to understand. Sasuke didn't pierce Madara because he didn't aim to pierce him. By continuously denying the obvious, you are basically telling me that you think Sasuke's Chidori Katana is stronger than regular Chidori when that has shown to be false.

As for Naruto, if Sasuke truly wanted to kill Naruto he wouldn't have used his katon as he has always attacked head on. This was shown against even superior opponents, like Madara and Kaguya. Base Naruto has no defense against Sasuke's S/T and would have been hit.
What in the....? Are you actually trying to tell me that Sasuke wasn't aiming to kill Naruto, despite saying many times that he's going to kill him? Despite him goading Naruto into fighting seriously? Despite challenging Naruto to a battle to the death? What?

Sorry pal. Don't debate Manga fact. The Katon distracts Naruto and gets his attention focused on that so Sasuke can easily land an attack from the back using Amenotejikara. That was the strategy. Base Naruto having no defense is completely irrelevant because Naruto is not restricted to Base.
 
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The hand is present, on the other side. Not sure how you missed that. Naruto states "on the left". His right hand is the one transformed. Naruto blocked it with his regular, left arm. Naruto sensing Sasuke isn't evidence that Naruto can properly evade Sasuke. Letting himself get hit has nothing to do with it.
I didn't say he would evade him but that he would take action. It doesn't matter that the chakra claw is on the right, he can manipulate it's shape.

Chidori is a piercing move. If he had just used his left arm, how would he be sent flying back that far. It makes more sense that he used something to block it with a wide base to reduce pressure. His left arm does not have a large area. A bruising attack like rasengan maybe would have that effect but a chidori with direct contact to his regular arm would sever it.
 

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Lol at blunt being compared to sharp.

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Underlined: Didn't Naruto block it with the same chakra arm he used to block Sasuke's fireball jutsu? Check out the The hand is still present. This is further reinforced by the fact that Naruto sensed him and made a comment before he got hit. Would he just sense Sasuke and let himself be hit?
He blocked it with a TSB. Look closely; there are small black shards flying around. Naruto had no time to move his hand or claw forward.
 

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Yeah I dont see how people see it warping when Sasuke's hand was let hanging.
I disagree. These clones and the original use Telekinesis. They make the objects move without touching them as we saw the kid do in the previous chapter. He literally made the shuriken not only levitate, but break apart as well. It might have more power behind the attacks, but we don't know.

Also, the warping into Naruto is incorrect. Look at this:

- Sasuke's hand is slackly hanging by his side:
- Here, it gets yanked sharply backwards, as if someone has pulled at something:
One thing ...

Sasuke's hand isn't really being pulled back. A few panels before, Sasuke begins to run in the direction of the Akatsuki Leader, so of course his hands would be retracted as shinobi move like that.
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