Naruto can't dodge amaterasu.

[End of Days]

Naruto was also approaching the 3rd so why on earth would he block? He knew what he was doing in that situation but when Madara rushed him he went with his reflexes and that reflexes action was to block. People like Kabuto dodged an arrow effortlessly while Naruto couldn't counter attack Madara. As i said to the other guy, he knows martial arts if you was to go at a fast paste and punch that martial artist they would use that against you and counter. If they couldn't then they would dodge if they couldn't even do that they block. I'm gonna dwell on this any further as i've been saying the same thing to the other guy, Sasuke has means of hitting Naruto while Naruto can't lay a finger on him.

madara immediately moved away from naruto to sai so opportunity for counter attacking wasnt there, naruto doesnt specialize much in taijutsu even though he trained a bit, his punches just pack more power than most

madara's attack could have been dodged and could have been blocked, naruto had both option just like nagato had two options to get rid of amaterasu, shinra tensei and preta path, just because one was used doesnt necessarily mean other doesnt work

but when he is presented with only one option, that is dodge at all costs, then he would take that

Do you think SM Naruto is stronger?

i dont believe he can defeat EMS sasuke at the current feats

MS sasuke can with danzo fight feats can be bested

 

[shadowcb]

@Bold.

It is possible that he can avoid it with the help of his sensing abilities but his speed needs to be near V2 raikaige which it isnt. But like I said his sensing makes up for that so it is possible.

I know that Naruto's speed needs to be at least on V2 Ei's speed level. What I am saying is I believe SM Naruto using the body flicker jutsu makes him faster than V2 Ei.

SM Naruto's natural speed is on the same level as the 3rd Raikage's speed. That comes from the natural speed increase he receives from just being in SM. Then have Naruto add the body flicker jutsu. That jutsu increases ones speed by gathering chakra on/around the users feet. That would increase his speed beyond the 3rd Raikage's level since he was already at that level. I believe that would put him on V2 Ei's level. Because that would be a SM version (since the jutsu would use sage chakra) that would give Naruto another boost in speed pushing his speed beyond V2 Ei's speed. I'm thinking his speed would be inbetween BM and KM Naruto speed.

 

[Prince Charles]

I know that Naruto's speed needs to be at least on V2 Ei's speed level. What I am saying is I believe SM Naruto using the body flicker jutsu makes him faster than V2 Ei.

SM Naruto's natural speed is on the same level as the 3rd Raikage's speed. That comes from the natural speed increase he receives from just being in SM. Then have Naruto add the body flicker jutsu. That jutsu increases ones speed by gathering chakra on/around the users feet. That would increase his speed beyond the 3rd Raikage's level since he was already at that level. I believe that would put him on V2 Ei's level. Because that would be a SM version (since the jutsu would use sage chakra) that would give Naruto another boost in speed pushing his speed beyond V2 Ei's speed. I'm thinking his speed would be inbetween BM and KM Naruto speed.

First off how did you come the conclusion that sm enhanced with shunshin is faster than v2 raikaige when naruto needed to use his kcm to avoid the raikage's speed? For that to be true sm naruto's base speed has to be near v1 ay's speed is there proof of this? I won't deny sm makes him fast but saying adding shunshin would put him over v2 Ei?

First I would appreciate if you can show scans to convince me that sm naruto's base speed is on par with v1 Ay raiton cloak, and dont show me sm naruto intervening with asura path I am already aware of that.

 

[To Whatever]

Naruto can dodge Enton and the arrow, SM has the reflexes to so. He still loses by a great margin but thats because of Sasuke's legged Susanoo and the fact that normal Rasenshuriken most likely wouldn't be able to bust it.

Anyway I still think due to the fact of how long Naruto has had kurama inside him, he still has enough of his chakra to go into KCM at the least. He most likely wouldn't be able to return to that form after he exhausts that chakra though.

That and Naruto still his OP frog summons.

 

[Bijuu13]

overrating Sasuke and underrating sage mode Naruto... As usual.

 

[shadowcb]

First off how did you come the conclusion that sm enhanced with shunshin is faster than v2 raikaige when naruto needed to use his kcm to avoid the raikage's speed? For that to be true sm naruto's base speed has to be near v1 ay's speed is there proof of this? I won't deny sm makes him fast but saying adding shunshin would put him over v2 Ei?

First I would appreciate if you can show scans to convince me that sm naruto's base speed is on par with v1 Ay raiton cloak, and dont show me sm naruto intervening with asura path I am already aware of that.

Reason Naruto was using the nine tail chakra is because that was the power Kishi decided to focus on. He showed off Naruto in SM just to let us know it is still important and he is still growing in that area, but that power wasn't the main focus. Naurto was a jinchuuriki so he need to finally learn how to use the nine power and he did.

By view his battle against the 3rd Raikage. Kishi let us know during that battle that lightning armor increases ones speed and makes the Raikages fast. When KM Naruto fought the 3rd Raikage KM Naruto didn't blitz him and that because of his speed. When saw SM Naruto speed was showed to be on the same level as 3rd Raikage's speed.

The reason I believe SM Naruto using the body flicker jutsu would make him faster that Ei is because of all 3 speed boost. SM speed boost, body flicker jutsu speed boost, and Sage chakra being used to create that jutsu boost.

SM Naruto's natural speed is on the same level as the 3rd Raikage's lightning armor speed. That comes from the natural speed increase he receives from just being in SM. Then have add the body flicker jutsu. That jutsu increases ones speed by gathering chakra on/around the users feet. That would increase his speed beyond the 3rd Raikage's level since he was already at his level. I believe that would put him on V2 Ei's level. Because that would be a SM version (since the just would use sage chakra) that would give Naruto another boost in speed pushing his speed beyond V2 Ei's speed. I thinking inbetwee BM and KM Naruto speed.

 

[Legendary Toad Sage]

On what basis do you believe so? Not to mention, FRS wouldn't break through V4 Susano'o, so it's useless.

On what basis do you believe he can dodge it? Even if he manages to somehow deal with the expansion of the attack, he still has to get away from the ridiculous blast radius.

Based off of what? What has MS Sasuke's Susanoo tanked that even compares to FRS?

Amaterasu Shuriken would end him. Zetsu, who can sense couldn't dodge it, so Naruto can't either.

Completely irrelevant. . . Naruto is tiers faster then Zetsu, this example is void. Not that is matters since MS Sasuke never showed the ability to use Enton to that extent.

Not to mention, Genjutsu would end him or his summons.

Up for debate since we have no idea of SM Naruto's level of genjutsu resistance.

 

[BEASTLY NARUTO]

what re ya all blabbering about naruto's speed . Naruto in SM was able to dodge and bashed a resengan on the 2rd raikage(edo) was that not reflex and sensing that helped him? DSM doesn't have much than SM.dodging an attack is very is possible for an average speed person when the relex and sensing is there. It lije seeing what ll happen in future in one sec. Even us human if we can know an enemy's intentions before and just at that time he fires a bullet it can easy evaded e.g if it at the head he targeted you can easly in one sec move your head and the bullet ll pass.
In conclusion; dodging does not always require great speed but great reflex and great sensing ability.

 

[Prince Charles]

Reason Naruto was using the nine tail chakra is because that was the power Kishi decided to focus on. He showed off Naruto in SM just to let us know it is still important and he is still growing in that area, but that power wasn't the main focus. Naurto was a jinchuuriki so he need to finally learn how to use the nine power and he did.

By view his battle against the 3rd Raikage. Kishi let us know during that battle that lightning armor increases ones speed and makes the Raikages fast. When KM Naruto fought the 3rd Raikage KM Naruto didn't blitz him and that because of his speed. When saw SM Naruto speed was showed to be on the same level as 3rd Raikage's speed.

The reason I believe SM Naruto using the body flicker jutsu would make him faster that Ei is because of all 3 speed boost. SM speed boost, body flicker jutsu speed boost, and Sage chakra being used to create that jutsu boost.

SM Naruto's natural speed is on the same level as the 3rd Raikage's lightning armor speed. That comes from the natural speed increase he receives from just being in SM. Then have add the body flicker jutsu. That jutsu increases ones speed by gathering chakra on/around the users feet. That would increase his speed beyond the 3rd Raikage's level since he was already at his level. I believe that would put him on V2 Ei's level. Because that would be a SM version (since the just would use sage chakra) that would give Naruto another boost in speed pushing his speed beyond V2 Ei's speed. I thinking inbetwee BM and KM Naruto speed.

I am quite confused by your post? The sm clone that fought the 3rd raikage hardly used any speed to even suggest that the clones speed was comparable to the raikage's speed?

Unless you were referring to this scan which shows them charging into each other?[

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], meaning you based your conclusion regarding sm naruto being near as fast as the 3rd raikage due the the sm clone charging into the 3rd raikage at the same time? And btw you should also know Ay is probably faster than his dad.

 

[UchihaNagashi]

On what basis do you believe he can dodge it? Even if he manages to somehow deal with the expansion of the attack, he still has to get away from the ridiculous blast radius.

Based off of what? What has MS Sasuke's Susanoo tanked that even compares to FRS?



Completely irrelevant. . . Naruto is tiers faster then Zetsu, this example is void. Not that is matters since MS Sasuke never showed the ability to use Enton to that extent.



Up for debate since we have no idea of SM Naruto's level of genjutsu resistance.

Itachi tanked Kirin.

I don't know about that irrelevant one... Naruto's main feat. in 'speed' is his sensing enhancement, thus he is able to react better.

Zetsu has the same kind of abilities, if not even better, and still failed. Not to mention, I've never seen Zetsu being stated as a slowpoke.​

 

[juzumaki]

Itachi tanked Kirin.

I don't know about that irrelevant one... Naruto's main feat. in 'speed' is his sensing enhancement, thus he is able to react better.

Zetsu has the same kind of abilities, if not even better, and still failed. Not to mention, I've never seen Zetsu being stated as a slowpoke.​

itachi use yata no kagami

the third raikages scene was done at high speed but was played in slow motion

 

[UchihaNagashi]

itachi use yata no kagami

the third raikages scene was done at high speed but was played in slow motion

His Susano'o was obliterated. Yata no Kagami would've blocked it, this didn't. Which suggests us that he most likely was using V2.​

 

[Retsu]

Sasuke could obviously catch him with amaterasu but sm Nardo wins negative difficulty in a taijutsu match

 

[Legendary Toad Sage]

No it can't please don't throw my words back at me because it really doesn't work well for you

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Deva dodged it here and there

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and he's slower than Sasuke who has 3T which has pre cog eye sight.

Assuming we apply your busted ABC logic, Deva Path is at the very least a tier faster then Sasuke. Deva Path kept pace with 6-tailed Naruto, who is decisively faster then Sasuke. This indicates that Deva Path is more than likely faster than Sasuke. Since we have established that Sasuke is slower then Deva Path, half of the nonsense you typed above no longer applies (including the useless scans).

Sasuke can dodge it on foot don't compare a shurikan that is thrown to an arrow that is projected at high speed.SMH

PLEASE quote me comparing FRS to a Susanoo Arrow. Oh wait, I never did.

Projected at a high speed? Don't make me laugh.
The same arrow Kakashi vanquished with kamui?
The same arrow Danzo quelled with a tree?
The same arrow Kabuto flat out evaded?

This overrated attack you think of so highly of isn't quite as powerful as you'd like it to be. If you think that puny arrow isn't comparable to FRS, then you are completely deluded. Since you seem to think I was comparing FRS and Sasuke's arrow, I'll make sure I do.

SPEEED
Neither one of these attacks are capable of traveling without an external force. They essentially don't possess speed until launched or thrown which is obviously dictated by physical strength. Naruto has shown to be physically strong enough in sage mode to stop a rhino ten times his size, and hurl it so high into the sky that it fades from view. Using this ridiculous amount of strength to hurl a rasenshuriken should by default make it crazy fast. Rasenshuriken was capable of traveling the distance of a mountain range ( and chibaku tensei's crater) within a second.

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DESTRUCTIVE CAPABILITY
I shouldn't even include destructive capability, since rasenshuriken shits on Sasuke's arrow in this compartment five times over, but I will. If you look at the spoiler tag above you can see how destructive rasenshuriken is, compared to a single target arrow. This isn't even factoring the unexpected expansion which most opponents (including Sasuke) would never know about. Even the Third Raikage (known for his ridiculous durability) was knocked flat on his ass.

Lmao at Rasenshuriken not being comparable to a Susanoo Arrow

Unless your response pertains to Naruto dodging Amaterasu or not, don't bother responding, because I won't. This thread has gone way off course.

 

[Naijakid]

SM Naruto>>>>>>EMS le sauce la fodder

 

[Legendary Toad Sage]

Itachi tanked Kirin.

Unfortunately that is an Itachi Susanoo feat, so it shouldn't automatically apply to Sasuke's.

I don't know about that irrelevant one... Naruto's main feat. in 'speed' is his sensing enhancement, thus he is able to react better.

His most notable feat is crossing the distance of his toads and Tsunade in order to manhandle Asura almost instantly. Also his performance with Sandaime Raikage was not sensing alone. It was a combination of sensing and speed. Let us not forget foreseeing the attack is only the first step. You still have to physically dodge it via speed. . . Naruto accomplished this.

Zetsu has the same kind of abilities, if not even better, and still failed. Not to mention, I've never seen Zetsu being stated as a slowpoke.

If doesn't matter how well he can sense if he isn't fast enough. Nothing indicates original Zetsu is fast at all, nonetheless a fodder White Zetsu clone.

 

[Optimistic]

Assuming we apply your busted ABC logic, Deva Path is at the very least a tier faster then Sasuke. Deva Path kept pace with 6-tailed Naruto, who is decisively faster then Sasuke. This indicates that Deva Path is more than likely faster than Sasuke. Since we have established that Sasuke is slower then Deva Path, half of the nonsense you typed above no longer applies (including the useless scans).

We have no speed feats from either 6 tails or Deva path that rivals Sasuke's speed and reaction feats.Sharingan allows him to predict the FRS and dodge it, it doesn't matter if Deva path foot speed > Sasuke's since he doesn't need to run to avoid a effing Shurikan.Human path and Deva reacted to the FRS before and after it exploded proving how easily avoidable FRS when thrown from the distance.

PLEASE quote me comparing FRS to a Susanoo Arrow. Oh wait, I never did.

I said that Naruto cannot win if he can't dodge arrows, you said Sauske can't win cause he can't dodge FRS. Clearly he can avoid FRS without Susano'o its not a devastatingly fast attack its a shurikan being thrown that isn't catching Sasuke who's shown greater feats than the likes of Deva path in speed and reaction.
Projected at a high speed? Don't make me laugh.

The same arrow Kakashi vanquished with kamui?
The same arrow Danzo quelled with a tree?
The same arrow Kabuto flat out evaded?

Pointless garbage i'm well aware of these events, if anything you're only making the arrows look even more dangerous.

This overrated attack you think of so highly of isn't quite as powerful as you'd like it to be. If you think that puny arrow isn't comparable to FRS, then you are completely deluded. Since you seem to think I was comparing FRS and Sasuke's arrow, I'll make sure I do.

Pointless smack talk to make it seem like your paragraphs have any meaning.

SPEEED
Neither one of these attacks are capable of traveling without an external force. They essentially don't possess speed until launched or thrown which is obviously dictated by physical strength. Naruto has shown to be physically strong enough in sage mode to stop a rhino ten times his size, and hurl it so high into the sky that it fades from view. Using this ridiculous amount of strength to hurl a rasenshuriken should by default make it crazy fast. Rasenshuriken was capable of traveling the distance of a mountain range ( and chibaku tensei's crater) within a second.

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FRS has so much chakra that base naruto couldn't throw it, sm naruto allows him to throw but it won't go fast why? cause frs is heavy even with his enhanced strength it doesn't even travel in a high like speed. Pein dodged it effortlessly before and after it expanded this shuts your pointless speed department of your post down completely. Did you really post a calculation of the speed? that is far from valid as you cannot measure speed in a drawing for crying out loud.

DESTRUCTIVE CAPABILITY
I shouldn't even include destructive capability, since rasenshuriken shits on Sasuke's arrow in this compartment five times over, but I will. If you look at the spoiler tag above you can see how destructive rasenshuriken is, compared to a single target arrow. This isn't even factoring the unexpected expansion which most opponents (including Sasuke) would never know about. Even the Third Raikage (known for his ridiculous durability) was knocked flat on his ass.

Arrows have a different use they pierce their target they don't cut or explode. This destructive capability is also pointless since arrows have a different way of working so you wasted your time typing up something that holds no value in this discussion. Pein had no knowledge of its expansion and guess what they reacted to it and dodged, one path saved the other and the other path(deva) jumped out of the way.Lol

Lmao at Rasenshuriken not being comparable to a Susanoo Arrow

You can't compare a cut/explosive attack to a piercing one.So basically i am correct.

Unless your response pertains to Naruto dodging Amaterasu or not, don't bother responding, because I won't. This thread has gone way off course.

Don't respond your post was full of pointless rubbish anyway.

Unfortunately that is an Itachi Susanoo feat, so it shouldn't automatically apply to Sasuke's.
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Susano'o is Susano'o they all have the same durability,structure,power and size the user doesn't change the Susano'o its the stages of Susano'o that changes its performance.Noob don't know shit about Susano'o not like i'm surprised.

 

[juzumaki]

@ Bold: are you implying that he did this due to plot? Jesus Christ this whole series is plot, you haven't countered what i stated you might as well stop replying to me its getting old fast. He knows how to fight but he blocked because his opponent was too fast for him simple. I got manga pages to back me up you have nothing.

and you dont understand

 

[adeshina365]

I've always thought that this was obvious.

Just because an attack can be sensed doesn't guarantee that it can be dodged. By that logic, Muu would have been able to avoid Naruto's second rasengan blitz.

V2 A knew that some sort of Mangekyou technique was coming. C out right says that the A intended to counter Sasuke's mangekyou with shunshin. The blood that precedes Amaterasu was a dead give away. Even then, A only narrowly avoided Amaterasu (it formed on his first after image).

 

[davidou]

You are happy that Naruto had a power down.
Now you have less fear to say that Sasuke is superior than Naruto.
You are funny.

Naruto could easily dodge amaterasu and create a diversion with a multitude of clones.
And make a counter attack with the "Chou oodama rasentarengan"

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That put down Kurama's half , that could weaken a Susanoo and create an opening...
His clones master senin mode,
Imagine 100 chou oodama rasenshuriken ( Naruto doesn't really need Kurama's power to make that jutsu ) with Susano at the center of them being their target...Susano could be weakened a lot.

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Even if you hit the original:
-if his arms get ripped off he will just kick you to death
-if his legs get ripped off , he'll just bite you to death
-if his head gets ripped off , he'll just stare you to death
-if his eyes get ripped off , he'll just curse you to death
If you touch Naruto with amaterasu , he will just take off all his skin to go beat you ( he survived a similar pain in the past ).



Naruto can't be beat , see the heart + accept/recieve = invincible TNJ master.
Look at the name of the manga and you'll see what power is the best.
Reading and understanding hidden hearts have to be more usefull than burning bodies.