Naruto and Sasuke VS Neji and Lee

[KidGamer65]

Doesn't description say that the compressed vacuum goes through the vital spot?

OT: Stomp thread.

We've been over this before IIRC. Air Palm is no different from any regular force. A punch sends force through any spot it hits. Is the force strong enough to actually kill someone or do any real injury? Not in Neji's case. What we know is a 100% undeniable fact is that Air Palm is not a ranged Gentle Fist, because if it was Kisame would've been injured unless you think he can take a Gentle Fist to the gut and chest and have zero damage, and I'm sure you don't think that.

if he is a Taijutu specialist , then why the hell even bother with puppets ? duh

I mean he was always using puppets

Who cares? You don't need to be a Taijutsu specialist to be superior to someone who is in close combat.

-Neji can use gentle fist , base Toneri can't stand a chance if he were to get close to him , but Toneri can win with Puppet-Cursing Sphere

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he was able to run meters while being injured , and he was able to land multiply hits to Kidimaru before he even fall t

None of this is based on anything.

-Base Toneri standing no chance is based on nothing. You stating it doesn't make it true.
-Kid Neji being able to run with injuries doesn't mean he has more stamina than Toneri. :lol

ignorance , like did you even read my post ? , not every vital point is fatal , but some of them are deadly , if Neji struck Kisame in a vital point that would only cause pain that Kisame can shrug it off . but if Neji struck on the vital points that cause instant death like the base of the brain i.e , Kisame would be dead



just what the **** do you think they meant by "with the aspects of the gentle fist" ?

Stop. lmao. I read your post and it's irrelevant because you are ignoring what actually happened because you don't want to admit you are wrong. If it was basically a ranged gentle fist it would do internal damage no matter where it hit Kisame. Kisame was not injured. Period. No injury was shown. All it did was blow him back. "He was injured, but he shrugged off the pain" is based on nothing just like all your arguments. Doesn't matter where Kisame gets hit by Neji's Air Palm it still does negligible to no damage.


Why do you people love to ignore what actually happened in favor of words that you are just misconstruing?

Toneri was able to solo him with this

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The second time that happened was AFTER he was already defeated. :lol Don't ignore what is being stated. :lol The only reason he got that opportunity is because he started absorbing the power from the Tenseigan Machine. Neji has no luxury thus he'd be killed in an instant by the Naruto tiers above the Naruto who beat Toneri.

not really , Neji is more skilled in Taijutsu than Toneri , and Lee seems to have more stamina

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None of that is based on anything. You don't state stuff and then say it's true without making a real comparison. Posting a picture of Lee not tiring during training doesn't show how he has more stamina than Toneri. What's even worse about these comparisons you are making is that they are the kid versions of these characters, meaning you are implying something as silly as "PTS Neji and Lee have more stamina than Toneri".

Here are the facts:

-Gai>>Lee in the Manga.
-Toneri>>Neji in the Manga.
-Naruto or Sasuke>>Toneri or Gai.
-KCSM Naruto already beat Toneri. RSM>>BSM>>KCSM.
-Sasuke is on par with him.
-Gai and Neji can't get past Naruto and Sasuke's Avatars.
-They can't even survive a single BDFRS from Naruto let alone Naruto and Sasuke attacking together at full force.

 

[KidGamer65]

And please stop talking about the Ootsutsuki statue.

1. That is TONERI's summon. Not Neji. Neji is not Toneri. That is the Ootsutsuki Statue. Not the Hyuuga Statue. That summon has literally nothing to do with Tenseigan Chakra Mode besides the fact it's power was used to animate it.

2. It was overpowered by BSM Kurama. RSM Kurama>Sasuke's PS>>BSM Kurama.

3. It being able to regenerate from attacks that completely eradicate it is baseless.

4. It can't break out of Chibaku Tensei.

 

[neosmith500]

We've been over this before IIRC. Air Palm is no different from any regular force. A punch sends force through any spot it hits. Is the force strong enough to actually kill someone or do any real injury? Not in Neji's case. What we know is a 100% undeniable fact is that Air Palm is not a ranged Gentle Fist, because if it was Kisame would've been injured unless you think he can take a Gentle Fist to the gut and chest and have zero damage, and I'm sure you don't think that.

I never said it was a ranged Gentle fist tho , only contested the notion of the force bypassing the skin since DB says the compressed shell itself is wat goes through the vital.

 

[Oblivionx]

Naruto and sasuke each can probably solo. both of them win low diff.

 

[KidGamer65]

I never said it was a ranged Gentle fist tho , only contested the notion of the force bypassing the skin since DB says the compressed shell itself is wat goes through the vital.

That's what Gentle Fist does. :lol

 

[neosmith500]

That's what Gentle Fist does. :lol

Yea it bypasses the skin with Chakra and the chakra is wat does the damage , unlike Air-palm which simply sends a compressed vacuum..

 

[KidGamer65]

Yea it bypasses the skin with Chakra and the chakra is wat does the damage , unlike Air-palm which simply sends a compressed vacuum..

Which means that Air Palm has no skin bypassing properties. :lol The chakra is the only reason Gentle Fist bypasses the skin in the first place.

 

[neosmith500]

Which means that Air Palm has no skin bypassing properties. :lol The chakra is the only reason Gentle Fist bypasses the skin in the first place.

The compressed Vacuum shell w/aspects of Gentle fist thrusts through the enemies vital , which indicates to me that the Vacuum shell bypasses the skin similarly to Gentle fist only without the use of Chakra but instead Air-pressure/force hence it goes through the body with characteristics of Gentle fist..

 

[KidGamer65]

The compressed Vacuum shell w/aspects of Gentle fist thrusts through the enemies vital , which indicates to me that the Vacuum shell bypasses the skin similarly to Gentle fist only without the use of Chakra but instead Air-pressure/force hence it goes through the body with characteristics of Gentle fist..

Which is obviously wrong for reasons already explained. The only reason Gentle Fist bypasses the skin is because of chakra. Air Palm is not chakra. "Sending the force through the target (or in this case vital) is literally how all physical attacks work.

It's hilarious how you guys are still arguing this even though we've literally been shown by Kishimoto himself how Air Palm works and this argument has been addressed a dozen times already. :lol

 

[neosmith500]

Which is obviously wrong for reasons already explained. The only reason Gentle Fist bypasses the skin is because of chakra. Air Palm is not chakra. "Sending the force through the target (or in this case vital) is literally how all physical attacks work.

Which is exactly my point , the compressed vacuum shell goes through the target with aspects of Gentle fist , unlike normal physical attacks.

-What part of Air-palm after its launched would incorporate aspects of Gentle fist in ur opinion?? Because in mine it means the aspect of bypassing the skin..

 

[KidGamer65]

Which is exactly my point , the compressed vacuum shell goes through the target with aspects of Gentle fist , unlike normal physical attacks.

-What part of Air-palm after its launched would has aspects of Gentle fist in ur opinion?? Because in mine it means the aspect of bypassing the skin..

"Sending the force through the target (or in this case vital) is literally how all physical attacks work.

I know your point and it's wrong. You can have opinions as long as they aren't completely contradicted by what is shown in the Manga. The only things Air Palm and Gentle Fist share is the launching method (open palm thrust) and the fact that both use the Byakugan in as a targeting system. "bypassing the skin to do damage" isn't what it does and what happened when Kisame got hit shows that.

Then we have the fact that gentle fist ONLY bypasses the skin because of the chakra. Air Palm doesn't use chakra. Lmao you aren't even supporting your opinion at this point. You're just reading my posts and taking what actually happened in the Manga and blatantly ignoring it while holding on to an opinion that has already been proving to be false.

 

[neosmith500]

I know your point and it's wrong. You can have opinions as long as they aren't completely contradicted by what is shown in the Manga. The only things Air Palm and Gentle Fist share is the launching method (open palm thrust) and the fact that both use the Byakugan in as a targeting system. "bypassing the skin to do damage" isn't what it does and what happened when Kisame got hit shows that.

The DB makes it clear that the compressed vacuum shell landing is specifically wat has aspects of Gentle fist , not the launching method but the attack itself..

It thrusts through with aspects of Gentle fist , this is why i asked ur opinion of wat aspects after launching would both Jyuken and Air-palm share similarly..

 

[KidGamer65]

The DB makes it clear that the compressed vacuum shell is specifically wat has aspects of Gentle fist , not the launching method but the attack itself..

Lmao. The Manga has made it clear how Air Palm works. Point blank period. What are you even trying to argue here? Are you trying to argue against facts? Again? Lmao. Like I said, you aren't addressing what's being said so don't quote me again unless you are ready to do so.

The DB only stated that the air palm, with aspects of Gentle Fist, is launched, through the enemy's vitals. That clearly talks about the launching process not the actual attack itself.

 

[neosmith500]

Lmao. The Manga has made it clear how Air Palm works. Point blank period. What are you even trying to argue here? Are you trying to argue against facts? Again? Lmao. Like I said, you aren't addressing what's being said so don't quote me again unless you are ready to do so.

The moment i quoted u i only asked u about the despription outlined in the DB so im not sure why u think im disputing manga facts or trying to argue anything beyond it breaching the skin when this is a simple discussion based on the wordings of the db which is the only thing im addressing and was from the start..

The DB only stated that the air palm, with aspects of Gentle Fist, is launched, through the enemy's vitals. That clearly talks about the launching process not the actual attack itself.

The DB says that the compressed Vacuum shell itself , with aspects of Gentle fist , thrusts through the target's vital which is after the attack has already been launched since Kishi was clearly describing the attack itself after the palm strike had already been unleashed which is why the aspects of Gentle fist was addressed in the same sentence describing the vacuum attack actually connecting..

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Basically saying that after its launched , the compressed Vacuum then goes through the vitals with aspects of Gentle fist , not that its launched with aspects of Gentle fist..

I think it was said somewhere that Gentle fist is used to compress the Air but Im not trying to contest facts by saying its bascially a ranged jyuken as its not , just trying to make sense of the DB destrption which literally tries to address how it operates and this is my understanding of it when reading it based on the order of words that it does breach the skin..

 

[Ansatsuken]

NB member sure like to make Useless thread and then take it very serious :elmo:

 

[BLAZE]

Not seeing them as threats doesn't mean she'll see incoming random attacks and take them lol. Kakashi surprised her with the phasing which is why she didn't move not to mention she was already heading in his direction and i'll address the sakura bit below.

Yeah she did take him head on[

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].yes the only reason she got hurt becoz it was the phasing and how kamui raikiri works
you can see the only problem for her where naruto and sasuke [

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she ignored kakashi even after he struck her

All inclinations of that scan suggest that Kaguya didn't see her , from Sakura shouting "Dont forget about me!!' , to Kaguya showing exclamation due to hearing that..

She had her Byakugan active

-She didn't ignore anything in those two instances , she was simply caught in precarious situations which were largely aided by the nerfing of her abilities in more ways than one..

she did ignore them since nothing was going to damage her except for those seals.Sakura mentally saying [

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] becoz kaguya repeteadly ignored them

 

[neosmith500]

Yeah she did take him head onShe only focused on them
she ignored kakashi even after he struck her

I know and wat did u expect her to do after Kakashi struck her?

She had her Byakugan active

I know but its clear Kaguya didn't notice her until she spoke out.

she did ignore them since nothing was going to damage her except for those seals.Sakura mentally saying [

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] becoz kaguya repeteadly ignored them

That doesn't mean she saw Sakura coming in for a attack and did ntn when Sakura was coming from above to hit her back down to the seals..

 

[BLAZE]

I know and wat did u expect her to do after Kakashi struck her?

She showed no concern about the wound,zero concern.
the only factor to her were naruto and sasuke more importantly the seal

I know but its clear Kaguya didn't notice her until she spoke out
That doesn't mean she saw Sakura coming in for a attack and did ntn when Sakura was coming from above to hit her back down to the seals..

She had Bykugan on.360 degree vision with small blindspot.there is no reason to believe she did not see her.

 

[neosmith500]

She showed no concern about the wound,zero concern.
the only factor to her were naruto and sasuke more importantly the seal

I know but doesn't mean she ignored Kakashi..

She had Bykugan on.360 degree vision with small blindspot.there is no reason to believe she did not see her.

It has been shown numerous times that Byakugan needs a special mental input in order to utilize 360 degree vision even with it already active with this being a small example.

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Among other examples within The SRA and when Team Konoha faced Tobi where Hinata activated 360Dv after already scaning Tobi with Byakugan active..

 

[BLAZE]

I know but doesn't mean she ignored Kakashi..

The only time she launched attack on him when he was trying to attack her with susanoo [

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] and got surprised when ash bone didn't kill him.
The reason she ignored him is his raikiri's damage isn't something she can't regenrate from.Kakashi is neither faster than RSM Naruto nor Rinnegan sasuke and both of them were struggling to wound her with direct attack

It has been shown numerous times that Byakugan needs a special mental input in order to utilize 360 degree vision even with it already active with this being a small example.

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Among other examples withing The SRA and when Team Konoha faced Tobi..

the reason neji is surprised there since he was confident that he can strike the main body [

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] and didn't care about shadow clones in back that had started to poof away until the one in front poofed