[Discussion] Naruto and Sasuke upgrades.

[SasukexNeji]

In Legacy of kain stories, there is a guy named Raziel, who is both the Hylden champion and the Vampire champion (who are prophesized to battle). Bit similar to the Youngest son and Oldest son, the Senju and the Uchiha.

Raziel reconciles with Kain and sacrafices himself for Kain, who is the Scion of balance (the one to create balance) to help him gain balance. The Scion of balance would be Naruto.

So if it is any similar to the Legacy of Kain stories, than Sasuke will reconcile with Naruto (and maybe even sacrafice himself) and help Naruto gain peace.
Thanks .
Several options possible.
*Sasuke uses Juugo's flesh and Hashi dna to go sage mode himself.
*Kabuto helps him to gain DSM.
*Sasuke will let Naruto infuse his attacks with senjutsu.

If this happens, there will be blood and I'm not talking about Sasuke's...

I will go after Kishi first and then all Narutofanboys/girls and their first born sons...

Vengeance will be given to Sasuke fanboys/girls.

 

[saw2097]

If this happens, there will be blood and I'm not talking about Sasuke's...

I will go after Kishi first and then all Narutofanboys/girls and their first born sons...

Vengeance will be given to Sasuke fanboys/girls.

Violence is never the answer.

 

[Seventh Sama]

^^ Well it looks like that but I doubt Kishi would bother to design and draw it while Sage of six paths would have only Rinnegan.

Besides it would be ultimately proof while Sage was really on another level compared to others.



Exactly Sage had JCM...but not even just it. It was The most powerfull JCM version whatever ten tails host would have, but I agree Sage lacked it's cooperation so he would not have BM.

but it is not like KCM Naruto to BM Naruto...because Naruto has just Half Kurama sealed but it would be more like theoretical KCM Naruto to BM Naruto while having Full Kurama in himself.

Yes, If my hypothesis is correct. unlike obito and madara, the sage was the Jinchuuriki of a sentient Juubi. in which his JCM should automatcally have nature energy running through it

 

[riley freeman]

I think the sage had a JCM. He had control over the Juubi's chakra but not its cooperation..


Naruto would have to tnj the ten tails. Have it forgive humanity for sinning (stealing its chakra). or we can go with the derp alternative and have everyone return their chakra to the juubi... I really hope the latter doesn't happen :/

if 10tails do forgive then yes I agree with you, but I personally don't think eye fits naruto, i'll prefer sasuke having it than naruto

 

[riley freeman]

I think the sage had a JCM. He had control over the Juubi's chakra but not its cooperation..


Naruto would have to tnj the ten tails. Have it forgive humanity for sinning (stealing its chakra). or we can go with the derp alternative and have everyone return their chakra to the juubi... I really hope the latter doesn't happen :/

if 10tails do forgive then yes I agree with you, but I personally don't think eye fits naruto, i'll prefer sasuke having it than naruto

 

[Mr Hiru]

Hashirama's cells for Sasuke would mean chakra reserves boost (physical energy from Hashirama's cells + spiritual energy of his own = tremendous boost), so your upgrades do not mean that they would be equal... furthermore, I believe that in these states, Sasuke would have too much adventages over Naruto, so I would only agree if you give Naruto some more abilities.

 

[Meowazziel]

the bijuu hated the sage right?
naruto is the re-incarnation of the sage right?
then the juubi hate naruto if so right?
you cant be a perfect jin if the beast doesn't co-operate right?
so naruto wouldn't be a perfect jin

Naruto has befriended the 9 bijou who can form the Juubi.
Naruto can lead them along the right path this time.
Those have no reason to hate Naruto.

Hashirama's cells for Sasuke would mean chakra reserves boost (physical energy from Hashirama's cells + spiritual energy of his own = tremendous boost), so your upgrades do not mean that they would be equal... furthermore, I believe that in these states, Sasuke would have too much adventages over Naruto, so I would only agree if you give Naruto some more abilities.

I didnt really try to make Naruto and Sasuke equal btw, I just wanted to write down what their upgrades could be and the reasoning behind it. The friendship of the 9 bijou, + Juubi mode and Naruto's own frog sage mode, could lead to Naruto having a huge amount of abilities btw. All the stuff he could get from that is still quite unknown. Onmyoudon could be one of them. Maybe he even gets some Mokuton powers from being the Juubi's host, who knows.

On paper (in the opening post) with the few lines for Naruto and few lines for Sasuke, it does indeed look like Sasuke is given way more, but that doesnt have to be the case.
They might use Naruto's sage mode instead and Sasuke might not get one (or only Juugo's mode) and as said all the abilities that Naruto would get from the bijou and juubi mode is still quite unknown.
The stuff he get could be a lot.

 

[Flakez]

the bijuu hated the sage right?

What? The beasts never hated Rikudou.

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[Meowazziel]

What? The beasts never hated Rikudou.

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I think he meant the Juubi before it was split in 9.

 

[Almighty Ra]

I like some of ur points and some that everyone have brought up..But lets be serious Sasuke getting Sage mode?? I think thats bit much i still think Sasuke will unlock a new doujutsu if not that overly used and tired Rinnegan.

 

[valandil988]

Naruto:
Has befriended the bijou who are all inside him now.
He will have a Juubimode with all kinds of abilities.
He still has his sage mode.

My reasoning: Naruto is the new Rikudo incarnation.
His powers should come from his Uzumaki heritage and
being a jinchuriki from the bijou.

Sasuke:
His EMS will upgrade to elder son eyes/Rinnegan.
He will gain Hashirama's cells + maybe Mokuton.
He will gain sage mode/Juugo sage mode (or he will let Naruto
infuse his attacks with sage power).

My reasoning: Sasuke is both the elder and the younger son.
Sasuke has walked both their paths. (following the path of accomplishing the goal through
power and accomplishing the goal through love). Both sons didnt manage to befriend the bijou.

Do you agree with this prediction or not?
Why?
Why not?
If not, what do you think their upgrades will be?

Problem I have with Rikudo powers, is that they are pretty much inferior to the Rinnegan / Mokuton / EMS. If Sasuke gets Sage mode never-mind Mokuton or Rinnegan the balancing between the two is ruined.

Lets analyze the defensive/offensive abilities of Obito's own "Rikudo" powers. Black stuff can negate Ninjutsu, this would be good if it wasn't Naruto style to use, black stuff Rasengan? Can use black stuff as a shield. Other than that super strength and speed. He broke the Mokuton Senjutsu enhanced Tori seal easily. Both of which Naruto basically already had with Biju Sage Mode. That's why he could match Obito's speed lol.

However this was with most of the biju powering it, Naruto's own version of the mode will likely be more inferior to Obito's he might not even be able to use the black stuff hence even considering it is a longs shot. Its more likely he will just manifest a "new" bathrobe that means he is "slightly" faster than before etc.

I mean how much of a power-up is the cooperative 9 biju chakra (a significantly smaller portion than Obito or hell Madara has) ? I don't see it being anything special I'm sorry. It doesn't really grant any particular powers that I think, "Wow that takes Naruto to a whole new level!"

If Sasuke gets a sage mode, or something like it not mentioning the Mokuton lol or eventually Rinnegan Naruto just doesn't match up at all.

And I don't see any other powers being foreshadowed for Naruto at all. I would honestly like people to make up some ideas for what would compliment Naruto's style other than just "MORE SPEED DAMMIT!" I'm honestly getting bored of the "power ups" that do nothing but make him faster. I mean Biju Sage mode didn't even change the size of the kyuubi when it should have lol.

Sasuke on the other hand is foreshadowed for Rinnegan, Mokuton etc. Sorry but those are the powers that made the "Sage" the Sage lol. I don't really see his Rikudo powers as being all that "impressive" in all honestly.

What does it grant other than massive speed/strength and the "black" stuff? It seems pretty boring to me. If Naruto gets that power up I will be disappointed, but if all he gets is more "speed" I will just plain despair.

 

[Ultimateone]

while i believe sasuke will def get rennigan, i don't think he'll get mokuton or sage mode. obito had half hs body made from hashi dna and only uses mokuton to a very small extent. yamoto is basically a clone of hashi and his mokuton is inferior as well. madara had to be specially prpared to be able to use mokuton as well as he did, and he has to have a face on his chest to achieve it. sasuke only got stabbed in the chest and is receiving the cells to mostly help heal him and won't be getting nearly that much senju dna. so more than likely we will never see him use mokuton. naruto actually has a better chance of getting mokuton as mokuton has been shown to be one of the juubi's abilities and the fact that it's original form is a god tree.

sasuke also will not be getting dragon sage mode, i don't think he will get any sage mode at all. but if he does get a sage mode, only for the fact he needs it to hurt the juubi's jin, it will be the cursed mark again, unless naruto is able to infuse his attacks with senjutsu which i don't know how he would do that with rennigan techs. but him just getting dragon sage mode spits in every characters face who evr had to actually train to get sage mode. every character besides juugo/other cursed marked individuals, madara had to train for it. juugo is exceptable as he does it naturally and everyone else had the seal to utilize his natural gifts, and madara had to steal hashi's and was only able to do so because of the face on his chest. but sasuke gtting it jut from the infusion of cells would be utterly stupid in my opinion.

 

[Ultimateone]

Problem I have with Rikudo powers, is that they are pretty much inferior to the Rinnegan / Mokuton / EMS. If Sasuke gets Sage mode never-mind Mokuton or Rinnegan the balancing between the two is ruined.

Lets analyze the defensive/offensive abilities of Obito's own "Rikudo" powers. Black stuff can negate Ninjutsu, this would be good if it wasn't Naruto style to use, black stuff Rasengan? Can use black stuff as a shield. Other than that super strength and speed. He broke the Mokuton Senjutsu enhanced Tori seal easily. Both of which Naruto basically already had with Biju Sage Mode. That's why he could match Obito's speed lol.

However this was with most of the biju powering it, Naruto's own version of the mode will likely be more inferior to Obito's he might not even be able to use the black stuff hence even considering it is a longs shot. Its more likely he will just manifest a "new" bathrobe that means he is "slightly" faster than before etc.

I mean how much of a power-up is the cooperative 9 biju chakra (a significantly smaller portion than Obito or hell Madara has) ? I don't see it being anything special I'm sorry. It doesn't really grant any particular powers that I think, "Wow that takes Naruto to a whole new level!"

If Sasuke gets a sage mode, or something like it not mentioning the Mokuton lol or eventually Rinnegan Naruto just doesn't match up at all.

And I don't see any other powers being foreshadowed for Naruto at all. I would honestly like people to make up some ideas for what would compliment Naruto's style other than just "MORE SPEED DAMMIT!" I'm honestly getting bored of the "power ups" that do nothing but make him faster. I mean Biju Sage mode didn't even change the size of the kyuubi when it should have lol.

Sasuke on the other hand is foreshadowed for Rinnegan, Mokuton etc. Sorry but those are the powers that made the "Sage" the Sage lol. I don't really see his Rikudo powers as being all that "impressive" in all honestly.

What does it grant other than massive speed/strength and the "black" stuff? It seems pretty boring to me. If Naruto gets that power up I will be disappointed, but if all he gets is more "speed" I will just plain despair.

you have done 2 things overestimate what sasuke is going to receive and underestimate whats happening to naruto. If you think that naruto power-up consist of naruto just getting a new robe you are mistaken. naruto, like madara and obito before him will get omniyoden. with that he gains the ability to use it both offensively and defensively. multi city busting bijuu damas at once, speed that can only be matched by another juubi jin. Most likely you also get mokuton as well as it is one of the juubi's main abilities, not to mention the true form is a god tree. more than likely due to the fact that naruto made friends with and received chakra from the bijuu willingly he will have even more abilities as a true jin is more powerful then one that simply takes the power as we have seen from past experiences.

sasuke on the other hand will def get the rennigan, but his mastery over said abilities are yet to be determined. as people always claim madara has the best mastery of rennigan techs, i still say pain was better. he may not have renbo but he used all the other and very well. he it wasn't for the fact that the rods crippled him he would still be around right now. madara has only really shown the ninjutsu absorbing tech, and the meteor which i am still unsure how he did it, and the ability to pull out bijuu much faster, which maybe do to hashi cells idk. but what i do know is sasuke won't be getting DSM or mokuton.

 

[Almighty Ra]

Problem I have with Rikudo powers, is that they are pretty much inferior to the Rinnegan / Mokuton / EMS. If Sasuke gets Sage mode never-mind Mokuton or Rinnegan the balancing between the two is ruined.

Lets analyze the defensive/offensive abilities of Obito's own "Rikudo" powers. Black stuff can negate Ninjutsu, this would be good if it wasn't Naruto style to use, black stuff Rasengan? Can use black stuff as a shield. Other than that super strength and speed. He broke the Mokuton Senjutsu enhanced Tori seal easily. Both of which Naruto basically already had with Biju Sage Mode. That's why he could match Obito's speed lol.

However this was with most of the biju powering it, Naruto's own version of the mode will likely be more inferior to Obito's he might not even be able to use the black stuff hence even considering it is a longs shot. Its more likely he will just manifest a "new" bathrobe that means he is "slightly" faster than before etc.

I mean how much of a power-up is the cooperative 9 biju chakra (a significantly smaller portion than Obito or hell Madara has) ? I don't see it being anything special I'm sorry. It doesn't really grant any particular powers that I think, "Wow that takes Naruto to a whole new level!"

If Sasuke gets a sage mode, or something like it not mentioning the Mokuton lol or eventually Rinnegan Naruto just doesn't match up at all.

And I don't see any other powers being foreshadowed for Naruto at all. I would honestly like people to make up some ideas for what would compliment Naruto's style other than just "MORE SPEED DAMMIT!" I'm honestly getting bored of the "power ups" that do nothing but make him faster. I mean Biju Sage mode didn't even change the size of the kyuubi when it should have lol.

Sasuke on the other hand is foreshadowed for Rinnegan, Mokuton etc. Sorry but those are the powers that made the "Sage" the Sage lol. I don't really see his Rikudo powers as being all that "impressive" in all honestly.

What does it grant other than massive speed/strength and the "black" stuff? It seems pretty boring to me. If Naruto gets that power up I will be disappointed, but if all he gets is more "speed" I will just plain despair.

I understand and get where ur coming from with ur assumptions but ur selling it short. We have no clue how the Sage's power's will effect Naruto with the full co-op of all 9 tailed beast. It could be something totally different compared to the incarnations of the Juubi Jin's we have seen from Obito and Madara due to their evil intentions and the forced use of the Bijuu chakra. It depends on the users intent in my opinion Naruto could possibly show the true power of the Rikudo .I agree I hope Naruto's power up isn't jus based on speed and more on Offensive close up fighting which is Naruto's form of fighting.

As far as Sasuke getting the Mokuton can someone provide facts not theories..where has it been foreshadowed he would get this ability? what chapter and page stated this? For all we know Hashirama gave Sasuke a jutsu to counter Madara's Mokuton powers.We haven't seen all the powers of the Rikudo and everyone is entitled to their opinions but to say that Mokuton and Rinnegan are are what made the Sage the Sage is obtuse. Hashirama had the Mokuton jutsu and Madara had Ems and they are both considered Gods in the shinobi world. To quote Itachi " Every technique has a weakness" so the Rinnegan can have a counter we haven't seen.

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