naruto and sasuke > Madara and hashirama ?

[accept pain]

i will say naruto and sasuke takes it mid difficulty....a super match for both partners

 

[Sefirosu Masamune]

Nope. and mid difficulty? what a wank.

 

[SIR UZMAKIMADARA]

this manga was awesome !!! i loved it ........this chapter proves that naruto is a real S06P

 

[Uchiha Rafael]

Dat madara solo's everyone its my prediction chapter 652

 

[- J AV -]

no,,, madara alone can combine PS and full kyubi,, adding hashi in that ,, they stomps

 

[newvin]

after obito gives up, madara uses the juubi and puts susanoo arount it and then we will see fight of the perfect susanoo's

 

[VangBro95]

I'll wait for Madara's trump card.

 

[FitzChivalry Farseer]

Was juugo also helping on that attack?

 

[Zato]

Didn't Orochimaru just state that Sauske isn't on Madara's level yet but he has the potential to surpass him? That says a lot here. Neither one of them are stronger Hashirama or Madara but they will surpass them in the future.

 

[Mello Takamoto]

no,,, madara alone can combine PS and full kyubi,, adding hashi in that ,, they stomps

first wouldn't be in that cas madara doesnt have 9tails under control bro, i say yeah, naruto wins cas friendship and TNJ haha, but not mid diff, high diff. People on base need to stop down gradeing those whom shouldn't be, fell meah?

 

[- J AV -]

first wouldn't be in that cas madara doesnt have 9tails under control bro, i say yeah, naruto wins cas friendship and TNJ haha, but not mid diff, high diff. People on base need to stop down gradeing those whom shouldn't be, fell meah?

hasi soloed full kyubbi and PS madara,,, and now madara is on his side,,,, so tell me how its high diff,, it low diff

 

[Draphsin]

In this case size matters.

Sasuke has 1 sword on his susanoo + he's half the size as madara's. Madara/Kurama combo can still win because its essentially the same thing but larger & deadlier.

Adding hashi wouldnt be fair..

 

[paratise]

Hashirama already soloed Kyuubi along with PS; kids do not stand a chance against them for now.

 

[Midday]

People need to realise Naruto and Sasuke have surpassed those relics. They're fighting someone who is far stronger than those two. Naruto's bsm is far stronger than the kyuubi and Sasuke's ps is stronger than Madara's ps. Not the mention their teamwork is good, they've got a lot more variety than what Hashirama fought in the past. Just because it's similar to what Madara did in the past does not make it the same.

 

[Unorthodox]

When madara ps sword can break the sage's sword then we'll talk

But madara coats his ps over shinsuusenju and shits on them hashi & maddy low diff

 

[Strict]

People need to realise Naruto and Sasuke have surpassed those relics. They're fighting someone who is far stronger than those two. Naruto's bsm is far stronger than the kyuubi and Sasuke's ps is stronger than Madara's ps. Not the mention their teamwork is good, they've got a lot more variety than what Hashirama fought in the past. Just because it's similar to what Madara did in the past does not make it the same.

100% Kyuubi is stronger than BSM with a Kyuubi Chakra entity which is smaller and possesses less Chakra, what isn't obvious here? Kyuubi himself is durable engough to tank Chojo Kebutsu and Chibaku Tensei..so no doubt.

Madara > Sasuke as for now, as his PS is bigger and slices mountain ranges with one blow. You say they surpassed Madara and Hashirama now, but by what feats? The whole alliance is fighting Obito and Obito lost this clash due to his own doubts, when this was a fight of wills.

Either Madara or Hashirama solo for obvious reasons. Madara controlled 100% Kyuubi and armored him with his huger PS; the combined version of Sasuke and Naruto is much weaker. Hashirama on the other hand overwhelmed even that with Shinsuusenju and has the important advantage with a Chakra absorbing and supressing Mokuton, which is above all enhanced with Senchakra in general, Mokujin, Mokuton Dragon and the gates which restrained Juubi.

 

[Turson]

100% Kyuubi is stronger than BSM with a Kyuubi Chakra entity which is smaller and possesses less Chakra, what isn't obvious here?

Frankly, its not that obvious. BSM Naruto has 50% more chakra than in BM state, that means he has 3/4 od 100% Kuramas chakra when it comes to quantity. Not only that, we must also remember that natural energy also makes chakra better in quality.

IMO they are pretty close.

OT: Madara and Hashirama stomps.

 

[Strict]

Frankly, its not that obvious. BSM Naruto has 50% more chakra than in BM state, that means he has 3/4 od 100% Kuramas chakra when it comes to quantity.

Where did you get this number? But even then I see in the 100% Kyuubi the clear superior due to the size, Chakra and durability. Kyuubi's Chakra and a Bijuudama is already the highest form of Quality. So if Senchakra should increase the quality even more, the difference wouldn't be big. So I guess BSM loses a direct confrontation with 100% Kyuubi.

 

[Turson]

Where did you get this number?

Well, if you want to enter SM you must add new component to your chakra, namely natural energy. In order to produce Sage chakra all three components (physical, spiritual and natural energy) have to be perfectly balanced. Its simple math, nothing more. To make it more clear:

BM Narutos chakra pool
(1111) + (2222)

BSM Narutos chakra pool
(1111) + (2222) + (3333)

But even then I see in the 100% Kyuubi the clear superior due to the size

Yeah, hes like three times bigger, but size isnt everything.

and durability

Even BM Naruto couldnt complain about that, after all his chakra cloak allowed him to survive direct hit from Juubis laser.

Kyuubi's Chakra and a Bijuudama is already the highest form of Quality.

As manga says, adding natural energy will always make chakra stronger. Look at Juubi, the most powerful Bijuu in existence was just a huge mass of natural energy.

 

[Bronze]

nope they haven't.