Naruto and Sasuke fans, is it possible...?

[lndra]

You do know that naruto would've been dead during that 2nd encounter with Nagato if Itachi wasn't there? Naruto had yet to show that he can beat a fully mastered Rinnegan....Leave Madara out of the conversation. We all know that madara was about to take off his condom after casting IT and brutally rape Naruto.

Kishimoto has portrayed bits and pieces of how Naruto would fight against a Rinnegan user. Until now, he never had the chance because he missing a power to fight them. God eyes vs. Jinchuriki? No. God eyes vs. God body? Let's bring it on.


Without TB Chakra, Sasuke only has PS and other Six Paths. So Indra's Arrow and his enhanced powers are bunk. Only techs like his PS Chidori Senbons are viable. But there are definitely not as powerful without the Tailed Beast chakra.

Yeah, Sasuke's techs are much stronger as he aged. But that reasoning is also valid for Naruto, as he was able to throw and control FRS at base as if it was a homing rocket. So the whole stronger techs is a pretty much laughable and circular reasoning.

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Sasuke in canon was being countered by Naruto who wasn't going on the offensive.[

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] This is proven by the fact that Sasuke was the first to charge in with PS. Yet Naruto in almost an instant

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] This also does not take into account that Naruto wasn't even flying between those clashes until the TBB vs Chidori clash.[

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] Then Sasuke himself noted that Naruto was going on the defensive the whole time Pre-TB PS. Naruto also again say he did not want to defeat Sasuke the way he is. [

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] Even when he was using his strongest attack.

Preta Path...yeah
Frog Kata is viable to counter Preta Path. [

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] Naruto's avatar can perform this feat considering that it perform one of Six Path Sage Mode's ability, which is flight. [

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] There is no reason why I shouldn't believe that.
Sasuke cannot use Susanoo or other techs due to the principle of reverse chakra flow.

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So Sasuke cannot use Susanoo and Preta Path at the same time. Which leads to...a very massive beating down from a Naruto with the intent to kill.

Animal Path. I don't want to know who even thinks that Animal Path will get more powerful, as it's only function is to summon animals with Rinnegan.
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There's pretty much nothing Animal Summons have that can even phase Naruto. Their blood gets plastered all over if they even try to kill Naruto.

Asura Path. Juubito tore through Four Red Yang Barrier that took in Juubi's TBB,

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Asura Path has in store. [

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] Naruto is more than a tier above Juubito. Asura Path's attacks gets tanked, deflected, penetrated, or cummed on.

Deva Path gets countered by Naruto sending his Chakra Arms into the ground to stabilize movement. [

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] Naruto getting send into Chibaku Tensei isn't happening. Not when Eight Tails Kurama can break through the meteor itself. [

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] Then there is also the fact that the Bijuus have to be put under genjutsu before their sealing. Even if Naruto were completely trap in a meteor, he can

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, use his

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(RSM powered), or summon his avatar to dig his way out of it. So it's meaningless to put him under a hole when he has the means to drill his way out.

Honestly nothing worth talking about with Human Path or all the other trivial abilities.

So yeah, Naruto definitely has this.

 

[Romy9]

Just gonna leave this scans here.

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So in the first scan you can see Kurama telling Naruto that he collected 'waaay too much' Natural Energy, which of course, could get Sasuke killed.

In the second and third scan you can see that Naruto is putting all his power and memories into his attack to stop Sasuke, which of course, could get Sasuke killed.

Tbh, I cant see any attack that couldn't have killed him. Shooting some Rasenshuriken TBB's or whatever they are doesn't really look harmless to me.

I anticipated this argument. Sasuke used his strongest attack. Is it logical that Naruto upped his power to the point of defending himself, i.e. not dying? Sasuke's attack and gathered chakra was on Hagoromo's level of power, as Kurama stated. Naruto had no choice but become serious to defend himself.

Also, in this argument, since Sasuke's attack was indeed on Hagoromo's level, Naruto should get more praise because he matched it.

But even if They weren't replenished, as I said before Naruto has a lot more chakra than Sasuke and he got tons of chakra from Minato and bijuu and Sakura... Meaning the chakra deal isn't a big deal since Sasuke was in the same shape because Naruto has a lot more to start off with.

I agree. Sasuke also knows that. But why would he address it if it wasn't an issue? There's no point.

 

[Mad Titan Thanos]

Is it possible for you guys to discuss your arguments ("arguments") in a peaceful manner?

I'm almost positive that both sides would find pros and cons in each of the characters. I'm appalled that there are so many fans and yet they don't fully understand strengths and weaknesses of their false god. Kishimoto was very clever and he balanced their characters out, both in character and power.

If you disagree, why don't you give a detailed response as to why you think your opponent in a debate is wrong? I guess it's easier to just throw an insult and call it a day.

some of them are too young to understand somethings while others are simply trolling

When you ask them to prove something with manga facts and manga statements they only come with some fanfiction that dont have valid support from manga.

When they are saying what fan rustled you or when they only say My fav solos you know they are losing the argument so they simply ignore you facts .

Even worse they are claiming Madara fans to be troll since they are insulting them .

Saying that Naruto or Sasuke are stronger than Madara makes them trolls since everyone with common sense and small part of brain know that is not true and totally illogical.

 

[UzumakiWade]

As you notice Sasuke fan boys(well most) say they are equal.. And they use the argument to counter Naruto's attacks because we already know Naruto can counter his attacks..

Really? Well, thats surprising, usually they never seem like they do know that, but atleast i now know i don't have to keep bringing up Naruto countering Sasuke's attacks against Sasuke fanboys (well most) because they apparently know this information. Thanks!

 

[DHOH]

Kishimoto has portrayed bits and pieces of how Naruto would fight against a Rinnegan user. Until now, he never had the chance because he missing a power to fight them. God eyes vs. Jinchuriki? No. God eyes vs. God body? Let's bring it on.


Without TB Chakra, Sasuke only has PS and other Six Paths. So Indra's Arrow and his enhanced powers are bunk. Only techs like his PS Chidori Senbons are viable. But there are definitely not as powerful without the Tailed Beast chakra.

Yeah, Sasuke's techs are much stronger as he aged. But that reasoning is also valid for Naruto, as he was able to throw and control FRS at base as if it was a homing rocket. So the whole stronger techs is a pretty much laughable and circular reasoning.

Spoiler

Sasuke in canon was being countered by Naruto who wasn't going on the offensive.[

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] This is proven by the fact that Sasuke was the first to charge in with PS. Yet Naruto in almost an instant

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.[

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][

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][

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][

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] This also does not take into account that Naruto wasn't even flying between those clashes until the TBB vs Chidori clash.[

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][

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] Then Sasuke himself noted that Naruto was going on the defensive the whole time Pre-TB PS. Naruto also again say he did not want to defeat Sasuke the way he is. [

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][

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] Even when he was using his strongest attack.

Preta Path...yeah
Frog Kata is viable to counter Preta Path. [

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][

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] Naruto's avatar can perform this feat considering that it perform one of Six Path Sage Mode's ability, which is flight. [

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] There is no reason why I shouldn't believe that.
Sasuke cannot use Susanoo or other techs due to the principle of reverse chakra flow.

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So Sasuke cannot use Susanoo and Preta Path at the same time. Which leads to...a very massive beating down from a Naruto with the intent to kill.

Animal Path. I don't want to know who even thinks that Animal Path will get more powerful, as it's only function is to summon animals with Rinnegan.
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There's pretty much nothing Animal Summons have that can even phase Naruto. Their blood gets plastered all over if they even try to kill Naruto.

Asura Path. Juubito tore through Four Red Yang Barrier that took in Juubi's TBB,

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Asura Path has in store. [

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][

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] Naruto is more than a tier above Juubito. Asura Path's attacks gets tanked, deflected, penetrated, or cummed on.

Deva Path gets countered by Naruto sending his Chakra Arms into the ground to stabilize movement. [

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][

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] Naruto getting send into Chibaku Tensei isn't happening. Not when Eight Tails Kurama can break through the meteor itself. [

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] Then there is also the fact that the Bijuus have to be put under genjutsu before their sealing. Even if Naruto were completely trap in a meteor, he can

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, use his

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(RSM powered), or summon his avatar to dig his way out of it. So it's meaningless to put him under a hole when he has the means to drill his way out.

Honestly nothing worth talking about with Human Path or all the other trivial abilities.

So yeah, Naruto definitely has this.

You always bring up how Naruto was able to throw RS in base but you somehow forget that Naruto was one spotted by Genjutus... I guess his Genjutsu prowess got weaker lol. Guess how's Genjutsu prowess got stronger? Lol

 

[Shruikan]

Really? Well, thats surprising, usually they never seem like they do know that, but atleast i now know i don't have to keep bringing up Naruto countering Sasuke's attacks against Sasuke fanboys (well most) because they apparently know this information. Thanks!

I always say they are equal.Naruto fans are the one who come up with BS

 

[DHOH]

Really? Well, thats surprising, usually they never seem like they do know that, but atleast i now know i don't have to keep bringing up Naruto countering Sasuke's attacks against Sasuke fanboys (well most) because they apparently know this information. Thanks!

Lol well I guess I can only speak for myself..

 

[Romy9]

Also, for Genjutsu arguments. Why is it that Madara nor Sasuke never used Genjutsu on their "brothers"? Is it safe to say that they thought it can't work on them? Because Hashirama wasn't a Jin and Naruto could spot a Genjutsu right here and there (when Sasuke Gened Sakura). I'd say they could break pretty easily out of it. Only a Tsukuyomi/Kotoamatsukami caliber could harm them. Speculation of course.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Right, because that can ever happen Lol

 

[UzumakiWade]

I always say they are equal.Naruto fans are the one who come up with BS

And vice versa my friend, i used to portray them as equal, then these Sasuke fans come spewing bullshit and saying that their fav is better for some fanfic reason.

 

[Nagi]

Kishimoto has portrayed bits and pieces of how Naruto would fight against a Rinnegan user. Until now, he never had the chance because he missing a power to fight them. God eyes vs. Jinchuriki? No. God eyes vs. God body? Let's bring it on.


Without TB Chakra, Sasuke only has PS and other Six Paths. So Indra's Arrow and his enhanced powers are bunk. Only techs like his PS Chidori Senbons are viable. But there are definitely not as powerful without the Tailed Beast chakra.

Yeah, Sasuke's techs are much stronger as he aged. But that reasoning is also valid for Naruto, as he was able to throw and control FRS at base as if it was a homing rocket. So the whole stronger techs is a pretty much laughable and circular reasoning.

Spoiler

Sasuke in canon was being countered by Naruto who wasn't going on the offensive.[

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] This is proven by the fact that Sasuke was the first to charge in with PS. Yet Naruto in almost an instant

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.[

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][

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][

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][

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] This also does not take into account that Naruto wasn't even flying between those clashes until the TBB vs Chidori clash.[

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][

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] Then Sasuke himself noted that Naruto was going on the defensive the whole time Pre-TB PS. Naruto also again say he did not want to defeat Sasuke the way he is. [

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][

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] Even when he was using his strongest attack.

Preta Path...yeah
Frog Kata is viable to counter Preta Path. [

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][

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] Naruto's avatar can perform this feat considering that it perform one of Six Path Sage Mode's ability, which is flight. [

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] There is no reason why I shouldn't believe that.
Sasuke cannot use Susanoo or other techs due to the principle of reverse chakra flow.

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So Sasuke cannot use Susanoo and Preta Path at the same time. Which leads to...a very massive beating down from a Naruto with the intent to kill.

Animal Path. I don't want to know who even thinks that Animal Path will get more powerful, as it's only function is to summon animals with Rinnegan.
[

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][

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][

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There's pretty much nothing Animal Summons have that can even phase Naruto. Their blood gets plastered all over if they even try to kill Naruto.

Asura Path. Juubito tore through Four Red Yang Barrier that took in Juubi's TBB,

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Asura Path has in store. [

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][

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] Naruto is more than a tier above Juubito. Asura Path's attacks gets tanked, deflected, penetrated, or cummed on.

Deva Path gets countered by Naruto sending his Chakra Arms into the ground to stabilize movement. [

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][

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] Naruto getting send into Chibaku Tensei isn't happening. Not when Eight Tails Kurama can break through the meteor itself. [

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] Then there is also the fact that the Bijuus have to be put under genjutsu before their sealing. Even if Naruto were completely trap in a meteor, he can

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, use his

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(RSM powered), or summon his avatar to dig his way out of it. So it's meaningless to put him under a hole when he has the means to drill his way out.

Honestly nothing worth talking about with Human Path or all the other trivial abilities.

So yeah, Naruto definitely has this.

fanfic at its best. I can see Sasuke beating naruto easily with outer path. But you know what? I don't care anymore.

 

[Romy9]

And vice versa my friend, i used to portray them as equal, then these Sasuke fans come spewing bullshit and saying that their fav is better for some fanfic reason.

They are equal because Kishimoto's intention was just that. Naruto's attitude was what was truly superior.

 

[Desiigner]

I anticipated this argument. Sasuke used his strongest attack. Is it logical that Naruto upped his power to the point of defending himself, i.e. not dying? Sasuke's attack and gathered chakra was on Hagoromo's level of power, as Kurama stated. Naruto had no choice but become serious to defend himself.

Also, in this argument, since Sasuke's attack was indeed on Hagoromo's level, Naruto should get more praise because he matched it.

With your last sentence, you're indirectly telling us that Sasuke has been stronger than Naruto in that fight. Because if he should get more credit for defending it, it is like saying I should get credit if I block a punch, and even more if I block a punch from Mike Tyson? Do you get what I'm saying?

 

[Romy9]

With your last sentence, you're indirectly telling us that Sasuke has been stronger than Naruto in that fight. Because if he should get more credit for defending it, it is like saying I should get credit if I block a punch, and even more if I block a punch from Mike Tyson? Do you get what I'm saying?

No, I don't. Sasuke's attack and chakra level were on Hagoromo's level, not his battle prowess in general. He should get more credit for surviving such a devastating blow, not for the entire fight.

 

[Ansatsuken]

I think its impossibru

This is shonen manga community base, everyday is a fight for supremacy of their fav character.

 

[DHOH]

Also, for Genjutsu arguments. Why is it that Madara nor Sasuke never used Genjutsu on their "brothers"? Is it safe to say that they thought it can't work on them? Because Hashirama wasn't a Jin and Naruto could spot a Genjutsu right here and there (when Sasuke Gened Sakura). I'd say they could break pretty easily out of it. Only a Tsukuyomi/Kotoamatsukami caliber could harm them. Speculation of course.

Romy9 I love how you needed it with "speculation of course", most would've made it sound like manga facts.. So my counter: Sasuke did put Naruto in a Genjutsu when he look inside him and disperse the kyuubi chakra... Well I thought It was a Genjutsu, I could be wrong.. But I disagree.. A lot of people throughout the manga wasn't put in Genjutsu like Jiraiya and Minato, so that's just plot, or coincidence.. IMO.

 

[Nagi]

Sasuke's susanoo got speed! All he gotta do is go up in the mountain and practice one punch 10000 times per day for a several years. Then a monster would be born! Sasuke would be the next Netero in NV!

Lovely fanfic right there!

 

[take it easy]

I'm glad that Sasuke finally grow up, but don't like his fanboys which keep saying they're equals bs.

Kishi clearly said that Sasuke lost, yet his fans deny it.

 

[DHOH]

They are equal because Kishimoto's intention was just that. Naruto's attitude was what was truly superior.

Great post plus rep and I got to go for now.. Good thread Romy

 

[Romy9]

Romy9 I love how you needed it with "speculation of course", most would've made it sound like manga facts.. So my counter: Sasuke did put Naruto in a Genjutsu when he look inside him and disperse the kyuubi chakra... Well I thought It was a Genjutsu, I could be wrong.. But I disagree.. A lot of people throughout the manga wasn't put in Genjutsu like Jiraiya and Minato, so that's just plot, or coincidence.. IMO.

Well, I need to say it, since a lot of people would take it as me stating facts. I agree that Naruto was a baby when it comes to Genjutsu then but I highly doubt his experience let him stay on the same level of it. Of course, we can always blame it on plot.