[VS] Naruto and Minato take the gauntlet.

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Im waiting for some real arguments and not people crying and whining.

I don't give a fu.ck about Naruto series.

Don't know what you mean but team 4th. Edo Madara and Rinnegan Obito w/ 6 Paths of Jinchūriki is the strongest in the list. There is no way BSM Naruto and BM can win 4th unless Naruto get a power up.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Re: Naruto and Minato take the gauntlet

BM Minato and BSM Naruto vs:
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1. EMS Madara and EMS Sasuke 2. EMS Madara w/ Kyuubi and EMS Sasuke 3. Edo Madara and Rinnegan Obito 4. Edo Madara and Rinnegan Obito w/ 6 Paths of Jinchūriki 5. SM Hashirama & EMS Madara [Condition: S1) Shinsenju is restricted S2) None ] 6. SM Hashirama & EMS Madara [Condition: Minato has prepped FTG marks on the battlefield] 7. SM Hashirama & Rinnegan Obito w/ 6 Paths of Jinchūriki [Condition: Same as above.] 8. SM Hashirama & EMS Madara w/ Kyuubi [Condition: Same.] Where do they stop?

1. Low diff.

2. low-mid diff.


3. Extreme low diff.


4. Mid diff at most. I laugh when people think the bijus could overwhelm Naruto and Minato together. BM Naruto was able to compete with 5. 2 Kurama avatars, one with FTG, and one with SM enhancement destroys.

5. Mid-diff.

6. They destroy in this scenario. With FTG prep, they can't be hit.

7. Similar scenario.

8. Mid-diff scenario.

 

[Apêx1]

Im waiting for some real arguments and not people crying and whining.

In scenario 4, how do BSM Naruto and BM Minato deal with Mokuton Bunshin Madara's Mokuton while dealing with Rinnegan Obito's Bijuu and Edo Madara's PS simultaneously? I don't see it imo. Do note Madara can keep up his PS forever given that he is Edo, so PS shockwaves, Bijuu's and Mokuton is in no way being dealt with by BSM Naruto and BM Minato. He won't have the luxury of attacking the Bijuu's freely, since Mokuton will bind him and suck his chakra dry the second he attempts to spam chakra arms/Flash Bijuu Dama, whereas the others wouldn't be affected by anything of the sort, freely utilising their offensive.

 

[KidGamer65]

In scenario 4, how do BSM Naruto and BM Minato deal with Mokuton Bunshin Madara's Mokuton while dealing with Rinnegan Obito's Bijuu and Edo Madara's PS simultaneously?

1. All of Madara's Mokuton are fodder for Bijuu Dama, and COFRS, not even a factor here. His clones get handled by Minato and Naruto's clones.

2. Madara using clones and PS at the same time isn't happening, at least it won't do any good for him since he'll have to focus most of his power to his original body if he wants to use PS and clones at the same time. So Mokuton that is even a factor against either of the two isn't happening.

3. Either of the father son duo can take on and defeat Edo Madara's PS, and the other can take out Obito's Bijuu. The Kurama Avatar already has more power than them, adding Sage Mode just makes that gap large.

I don't see it imo. Do note Madara can keep up his PS forever given that he is Edo, so PS shockwaves, Bijuu's and Mokuton is in no way being dealt with by BSM Naruto and BM Minato.

Edo Madara's Mokuton is not a factor, not when Mokujin, Mokuryu and a forest of the stuff was wiped clean by one standard Bijuu Dama. Him being able to keep Susanoo up forever means nothing when Naruto and Minato have the means to obliterate it, and the Bijuu aren't so big of a problem that Naruto or Minato can't solo, because they can solo the Bijuu and Obito, while the other handles Madara.


-PS shockwaves=Mountain Busters. Standard Kurama Avatar took the Juubi's laser with some damage, Sage Kurama Avatar would take it with less, and it'd take PS's attacks with minimal damage. And don't say that it'll cut right through just because its a cutting attack, because that is not how it works.

-BM Naruto's strongest Bijuu Dama dwarfed 5 Bijuu, add Senjutsu to that and it gets much stronger. PS isn't going to tank it with out heavy damage at the very least. More than one obliterates Madara and his Susanoo.

He won't have the luxury of attacking the Bijuu's freely, since Mokuton will bind him and suck his chakra dry the second he attempts to spam chakra arms/Flash Bijuu Dama,

1. Minato can teleport himself or Naruto out of any bindings. So that strategy won't work. Not to mention Madara's clones get clowned by Naruto and Minato's.

2. Naruto is fast enough to evade or counter by destroying any Mokuton bindings, since you said suck his chakra dry, I'm assuming you are talking about Mokuryu. It gets fodderized by a single Bijuu Dama just like it did in canon when used against Madara.

 

[KidGamer65]

I don't give a fu.ck about Naruto series.

Yet you are here whining about how I think Naruto and Minato beat Hashirama and Madara. Lol Yet you are posting in this forum, in this section, on this thread.

Don't know what you mean but team 4th. Edo Madara and Rinnegan Obito w/ 6 Paths of Jinchūriki is the strongest in the list. There is no way BSM Naruto and BM can win 4th unless Naruto get a power up.

Hashirama and VoTE Madara>Edo Madara and Rinnegan Obito.

 

[Draphsin]

Id love to know how the duo deals with this.

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[Sennin of Logic]

Id love to know how the duo deals with this.

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Sigh. Drapshin, why are you using something Naruto already countered?

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Naruto's too fast for the chain to work.

 

[Draphsin]

Sigh. Drapshin, why are you using something Naruto already countered?

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Naruto's too fast for the chain to work.

Really? This is the counter? If anyone should be sighing it should be me then. Lol

Now I know BSM naruto is faster than BM but you're using BM in your examples so I'm explaining how he doesn't compare in terms of speed.

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. This means that when naruto's BM is out obito has more than enough time to teleport inside the avatar. Once he does that he'll just warp inside with multiple rods & activate the chain immediately afterwards. Naruto only removed the rods from bee before obito could activate them because he didn't expect naruto to grab them in the first place, if he's expecting to activate them as he's warping inside then he'll be able to manage it no problem, especially with the feats he has under his belt.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Really? This is the counter? If anyone should be sighing it should be me then. Lol

Now I know BSM naruto is faster than BM but you're using BM in your examples so I'm explaining how he doesn't compare in terms of speed.

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. This means that when naruto's BM is out obito has more than enough time to teleport inside the avatar. Once he does that he'll just warp inside with multiple rods & activate the chain immediately afterwards. Naruto only removed the rods from bee before obito could activate them because he didn't expect naruto to grab them in the first place, if he's expecting to activate them as he's warping inside then he'll be able to manage it no problem, especially with the feats he has under his belt.

You were the one very lazy with your argument. You didn't make it clear that the tactic in this post would be used. This is actually a legit one now, but as you made it, it wasn't.


1. Minato could teleport to Naruto at any time, and if that's the case, he can kill Obito while Setting up this attack.

2. Assuming teleporting into chakra is possible (don't really see why not TBH). Then Minato could easily take out Madara with that method by throwing a kunai to Madara's PS.

3. Naruto could have a clone constantly at the ready in Naruto's Kurama Avatar so that he can react at any given time.

4. Obito probably can't get into the fight while using the biju's full power. The chakra stain is probably too great for this combined effort.

 

[Draphsin]

You were the one very lazy with your argument. You didn't make it clear that the tactic in this post would be used. This is actually a legit one now, but as you made it, it wasn't.

Hey, all I did was ask how the duo deals with the rods, I wasn't making an argument merely seeing what people would say & then basing my argument off that.

1. Minato could teleport to Naruto at any time, and if that's the case, he can kill Obito while Setting up this attack.

Minato can't teleport to naruto before obito is inside the avatar because:

- He has no idea that obito is going to teleport inside the avatar in the first place without reading his mind.

- Obito won't be sensed until it's too late. To clarify, minato doesn't have passive sensing [

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& KCM sensing isn't helping either, not when it didn't help naruto [

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Finally in that jinton example I posted, karin who even had her sensory abilities active still failed to sense obito saving sasuke. [

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I fail to see how minato is going to react in time.

2. Assuming teleporting into chakra is possible (don't really see why not TBH). Then Minato could easily take out Madara with that method by throwing a kunai to Madara's PS.

PS shockwaves send any kunai thrown his way flying, not to mention V2 jins can tank them & disperse their shroud quickly, or use cloaks that would make approaching them via cqc unreasonable. [

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3. Naruto could have a clone constantly at the ready in Naruto's Kurama Avatar so that he can react at any given time.

Obito can literally teleport anywhere inside the avatar, from the head all the way to the end of a tail or limb, naruto would need to have multiple clones inside his avatar covering all areas, but I don't believe he can perform the tajuu kage bunshin while maintaining BM.

4. Obito probably can't get into the fight while using the biju's full power. The chakra stain is probably too great for this combined effort.

If he really has to then he can just absorb two of the bijuu back into the mazou, all he's doing after all is binding two more bijuu.

 

[TRE MERCER]

I'm still waiting for some argumentation from you, instead of blind wank.

L0l @ Minato soloing Edo Madara...

 

[WolfHaley]

Y'all kids need Jesus.

 

[ARGUS]

Naruto and Minato win all scenarios except the last one, they also win against edo madara and rinnegan tobi

--Tobis bijuu were manhandled by BM naruto, now that naruto has superior firepower, means that he fights the bijuus just fine, and removes the stakes out once the bijuus are down,

--None of edo madaras mokutons are a factor once the firepower of PS and Kurama avatar come out, and his preta is also moot when he cant use it once hes camped inside susanoo,

--Naruto and Minato fire off TBB barrages or TBBs larger then PS itself and proceed to eradicate madara

--Rinnegan Tobi without the biijuus gets violated by BM minato, or naruto as well, seeing how he can send off his clones to gangbang him and make him completely unable to attack them,,, obito gets taggeedd and then killed,

Last Scenario: Hashirama and Madara win mid/high diff,

--SM infused Myojinmon pin naruto down completely as no way in helll is he breaking free from something even V3 juubi was unable to, once he's immobilised, hashirama uses Kakuan Nittei Sanshu (KNS) to put his kyuubi to sleep, naruto attempting to break free would just result in his face being chojo kobetsud by SS,

--VOTE madara handles BM minato just fine, his PS and Kyuubi stall minato until Hashirama brings out SS, and the duo gang bang him, especially when SS alone can throw back all of Minatos TBB right back at him followed by Chojo Kobetsu and PS-infused TBB means that minatos avatar is breached easily

 

[makosheva7]

They stop at 4.

 

[Unorthodox]

Kidgamer a fool thinking they can beat SM Hashirama & Vote Madara considering both of them could best Naruto or Minato in a 1v1 med diff

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Kidgamer a fool thinking they can beat SM Hashirama & Vote Madara considering both of them could best Naruto or Minato in a 1v1 med diff

Yeahhh, no. Either bsm naruto or BM Minato can take on madara or sm hashirama and win in a 1v1.

 

[Demonic.]

Yeahhh, no. Either bsm naruto or BM Minato can take on madara or sm hashirama and win in a 1v1.

Slap yourself fodder. I suggest you take a look at all the BSM Naruto vs Hashi threads out there, all the logical debaters agree Hashirama wins. Only an idiot thinks BSM Naruto wins, Hashirama's entire arsenal is anti Biju. Love to hear a counter for SS.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Slap yourself fodder. I suggest you take a look at all the BSM Naruto vs Hashi threads out there, all the logical debaters agree Hashirama wins. Only an idiot thinks BSM Naruto wins, Hashirama's entire arsenal is anti Biju. Love to hear a counter for SS.

Multiple sm tbb barrages takes care of that. Everything else can be swatted away by a mere chakra roar.

 

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Yeahhh, no. Either bsm naruto or BM Minato can take on madara or sm hashirama and win in a 1v1.

No they don't.
Ur going to have to explain urself here

 

[KidGamer65]

L0l @ Minato soloing Edo Madara...

BM Minato can beat PS, nothing else is a factor.

Kidgamer a fool thinking they can beat SM Hashirama & Vote Madara considering both of them could best Naruto or Minato in a 1v1 med diff

1. They lose to them high diff at the very least.

2. They work better as a team, hence their win.

Id love to know how the duo deals with this.

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He'd have to land them first, not to mention Minato just teleports himself or Naruto out of them.

Really? This is the counter? If anyone should be sighing it should be me then.

Now I know BSM naruto is faster than BM but you're using BM in your examples so I'm explaining how he doesn't compare in terms of speed.

Mokuryuu wrapped around naruto's BM effortlessly, kamui is faster than mokuryuu. This means that when naruto's BM is out obito has more than enough time to teleport inside the avatar. Once he does that he'll just warp inside with multiple rods & activate the chain immediately afterwards. Naruto only removed the rods from bee before obito could activate them because he didn't expect naruto to grab them in the first place, if he's expecting to activate them as he's warping inside then he'll be able to manage it no problem, especially with the feats he has under his belt.

1. BSM Kurama Avatar>>BM Kurama Avatar in speed due to SAge Mode.

2. Naruto engaged the Mokuryu, so this example isn't even evidence.

3. Obito teleports in, then Naruto senses him, and drops the Avatar, or Shunshins out of the Avatar. Sage Sensing allows chakra sensing, and you see an outline of the surroundings.

4. If he does that, Minato blitzes and kills him since he can make a link with Naruto's chakra, Obito, being in the Avatar, is surrounded by Naruto's Chakra, so Minato uses Hiraishin and Obito gets gutted. With zero effort.

So no, this "teleport into Avatar" stuff isn't working.

- Obito won't be sensed until it's too late. To clarify, minato doesn't have passive sensing [x], so if minato isn't switched to his sensory abilities then obito will already be inside the avatar, just as obito was already fully materialized before minato noticed here.

& KCM sensing isn't helping either, not when it didn't help naruto [kakashi had to warn him].

Finally in that jinton example I posted, karin who even had her sensory abilities active still failed to sense obito saving sasuke. [x]

1. Perfect Jins have been shown to talk to each other telepathically, like B, Hachibi, Naruto and Kurama did. Naruto and Minato were talking when their chakra was connected. The K11 felt Naruto calling them to the Avatar when they were about to finish Obito. Naruto can tell Minato Obito is here, and then Minato comes right there.

2. Karin not sensing him means nothing, since KCM Naruto sensed Obito coming

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, and because Sage Sensing>>>Her sensing when it comes to perception.

I fail to see how minato is going to react in time.

Naruto can sense it.