Good point its like when naruto tells everyone that he will be hokage one day just words. Also I'm kinda tired of kishi stealing from the real world I like Dr. King aswell but I don't think we need two of them in one Magna. Because I have a dream where men and women boys and girls can sit down and read naruto. Without wasted panles or twenty chapters of flashbacks where we wont have to wait a year for fifteen minutes to pass in the Magna. I have a dream where all the questions are answered and no fanboy can dispute who owns who and we can finally see if naruto is the new sage or if the sage is in naruto but alas I fear that the moons eye plan was cast that we are all trapped under its influence just waiting for its master to give us a tidd bit of info. Waiting to see the light at the end of the tunnel wasting away to nothing holding on till our bitter end hopeful for something meaningful something that is close to greatness but sadly my friends it will be another asspull.
-Hashirama, changed the fate of the world, by making the Gokage meeting possible and creating the village. Yet you say naive.
- Naruto has already gotten to Zabuza and Nagato... Hashirama got to the whole uchiha clan, other countries who lost their kids/brothers/husbands/wifes in the war.
- Orochimaru is just 1 person. But who said Naruto and Hashirama are suppose to presuade everyone?
Lost his parents, never had anyone there. Saw the people hes trying to protect get slaughtered like nothing. ...... Saw his home get destroyed. Saw Kakashi's death... Naruto has suffered more pain then the antagonist mate. Pretty sure the only reason Nagato got persuaded was because Naruto understands the pain.
He saw Kakashi get murdered? Yes, his home was destroyed. But everyone who was killed was revived. He saw Neji die, a bunch of strangers die, and Shikamaru get hurt severely [Pending]. He never knew his parents, true. But one could argue it's worse knowing them and having them taken from you. As what happened with a some of the villains.
Naruto has made alot of strides in changing ppl
he's changed the heart of Gaara, Tsunade, Neji, old lady Chiyo, Itachi, Nagato, Kurama...and let's not forget that he did get to Sasuke early on in Part 1 so much so that Orochimaru so it was trouble and had to jump in and seduce Sasuke back to the avenger path with power he couldn't resist, the curse mark
-Hashirama, changed the fate of the world, by making the Gokage meeting possible and creating the village. Yet you say naive.
- Naruto has already gotten to Zabuza and Nagato... Hashirama got to the whole uchiha clan, other countries who lost their kids/brothers/husbands/wifes in the war.
- Orochimaru is just 1 person. But who said Naruto and Hashirama are suppose to presuade everyone?
Lost his parents, never had anyone there. Saw the people hes trying to protect get slaughtered like nothing. ...... Saw his home get destroyed. Saw Kakashi's death... Naruto has suffered more pain then the antagonist mate. Pretty sure the only reason Nagato got persuaded was because Naruto understands the pain.
All of Naruto's pain came from inside himself and the Leaf. He never lost anyone and for that matter, never lost anybody in a war, so how can he honestly say he knew how Nagato and others felt when he hasn't lost anybody in or experienced a war?
He saw Kakashi get murdered? Yes, his home was destroyed. But everyone who was killed was revived. He saw Neji die, a bunch of strangers die, and Shikamaru get hurt severely [Pending]. He never knew his parents, true. But one could argue it's worse knowing them and having them taken from you. As what happened with a some of the villains.
What does reviving them have anything to do with Naruto seeing Kakashi dead? He was angry when he found out. He didn't even know they were gonna be revived. But you know what he the balls to get over it. But here is the thing, everyone in the alliance is close to Naruto, your seperating Neji and etc cause they are his friends. But thats not the case here. Naruto feels sad and anger and pain for every single person that is killed.
When was the last time Nagato had to see the deaths of thousands of people, who all relied on him? Did Nagato have to live on his own as a child? no. He was a orphan for a moment, and then bam Yahiko comes in and so on. And then we had Jiraiya. His only pains as he himself stated were death of his parents and death of Yahiko. Which are nothing compared to Naruto's pain.
One can sure argue that, but that one would need to realize that atleast the person was given love. Atleast they were shown affection. Atleast they had someone to remember.
All of Naruto's pain came from inside himself and the Leaf. He never lost anyone and for that matter, never lost anybody in a war, so how can he honestly say he knew how Nagato and others felt when he hasn't lost anybody in or experienced a war?
Never lost anybody in the war? do you even read the manga??? The thousands of shinobi that relied on him , all killed in front of his eyes.... yet you say he didn't lose anyone.. Jiraiya's death.... SHOWN NO LOVE... CALLED A DEMON .... HATED FOR NO REASON.... DESPISED... yet you say he didn't experience any pain? SAW HIS VILLAGE GET DESTROYED. SAW HIS KONOHA PEOPLE GET SLAUGHTERED .... You think he was only angry at pain for Jiraiya's death? lmao
Never experienced war? where do you think he is right now? in pony land?
Who do you think he was crying for in this scan? lmao
What does reviving them have anything to do with Naruto seeing Kakashi dead? He was angry when he found out. He didn't even know they were gonna be revived. But you know what he the balls to get over it. But here is the thing, everyone in the alliance is close to Naruto, your seperating Neji and etc cause they are his friends. But thats not the case here. Naruto feels sad and anger and pain for every single person that is killed.
When was the last time Nagato had to see the deaths of thousands of people, who all relied on him? Did Nagato have to live on his own as a child? no. He was a orphan for a moment, and then bam Yahiko comes in and so on. And then we had Jiraiya. His only pains as he himself stated were death of his parents and death of Yahiko. Which are nothing compared to Naruto's pain.
One can sure argue that, but that one would need to realize that atleast the person was given love. Atleast they were shown affection. Atleast they had someone to remember.
Naruto did not see war with his own eyes like Nagato did. Just because Nagato had parents doesn't mean that the atmosphere was any better. Hiruzen supplied him with food and watched over him, whilst the Hidden rain was engulfed in famine and fear of the war coming any closer to where they were. That's what Nagato had to go through.
All of Naruto's pain came from inside himself and the Leaf. He never lost anyone and for that matter, never lost anybody in a war, so how can he honestly say he knew how Nagato and others felt when he hasn't lost anybody in or experienced a war?
Lolz?
this doesnt make any sense,i guess you guys forgot that there is a war goin on right know,and more than 40000 shinobis have died.I guess these guys dont matter because they are ''fodders'' right?Let alone his sensei,parents,Neji,Shikaku and the rest.
Nardo hasnt experienced pain because his dog didnt die is all i see in your post.Stop comparing Nagato to Naruto is sad.
Naruto arguably has seen more death than him in this facking war arc we have been reading for 2 years now.
Naruto did not see war with his own eyes like Nagato did. Just because Nagato had parents doesn't mean that the atmosphere was any better. Hiruzen supplied him with food and watched over him, whilst the Hidden rain was engulfed in famine and fear of the war coming any closer to where they were. That's what Nagato had to go through.
What does reviving them have anything to do with Naruto seeing Kakashi dead? He was angry when he found out. He didn't even know they were gonna be revived. But you know what he the balls to get over it. But here is the thing, everyone in the alliance is close to Naruto, your seperating Neji and etc cause they are his friends. But thats not the case here. Naruto feels sad and anger and pain for every single person that is killed.
When was the last time Nagato had to see the deaths of thousands of people, who all relied on him? Did Nagato have to live on his own as a child? no. He was a orphan for a moment, and then bam Yahiko comes in and so on. And then we had Jiraiya. His only pains as he himself stated were death of his parents and death of Yahiko. Which are nothing compared to Naruto's pain.
One can sure argue that, but that one would need to realize that atleast the person was given love. Atleast they were shown affection. Atleast they had someone to remember.
You realize how pathetic this is, right? He NEVER saw Kakashi die. Everyone was revived in the end. the pain was merely temporary for Naruto unlike others who are forced to live with such things their entire life. The whole of the alliance is close to Naruto emotionally? I could understand him being frustrated at not being able to save them. But, on a personal level they mean NOTHING to him.
And, Nagato only... Had to burry his own parents.. At a young age.. During a war, in an impovershed nation that couldn't help the victims of said war... Met friends, yes. But were still simply war orphans living off of scraps and struggling to survive. Whereas Naruto was lonely? Boo hoo. He had a home, a Hokage that cared, food. Does not having a buddy to play with really equal what Nagato had done to him? Really? And how is... Basically holding the knife, not moving it as your best friend stabs himself into it as another of your bestfriends life hangs in the balance not greater then Naruto's pain? He saw Yahiko die. In fact, he even goes on to state that many more of his fellow comrades that DEPENDED ON HIM when he assumed leadership died.
Naruto's pain consists of lonliness, the death of a friend or two and the death of a father figure. He's had it easy when compared to someone like Nagato.
Yes, they have memories. Memories that cause anguish and pain when reflected upon. Once more, Nagato states that thee death of his parents hurts him to the day he died. I paraphrase a tad, but the point is there. While not knowing your parents is bad, having to witness their deaths is much worse.
actually words do more than people think.
the saying "sticks and stones may break my bones but words may never hurt me" has been proven by psychologists to be false Hashirama and Naruto are prime examples they have motivated more people to stand up for the right thing by both words and actions it may sometimes take awhile to show the impact of words but it does impact the way people think especially if they think logically about what is being said
this is also why in Early Childhood education it is said that talking to the children is more productive in correcting wrong behavior than simply putting the child in time out
No need to be rude. And Nagato's parents obviously didn't have the same beliefs that Minato and Jiraiya did. Minato and Jiraiya told him about the ways to peace, of course Nagato's parents wouldn't have the same ideology.
if naruto and hashirama dont change people like nagato and orochimaru then the same cycle of hatred will keep going
and it's not just a few words either
You realize how pathetic this is, right? He NEVER saw Kakashi die. Everyone was revived in the end. the pain was merely temporary for Naruto unlike others who are forced to live with such things their entire life. The whole of the alliance is close to Naruto emotionally? I could understand him being frustrated at not being able to save them. But, on a personal level they mean NOTHING to him.
And, Nagato only... Had to burry his own parents.. At a young age.. During a war, in an impovershed nation that couldn't help the victims of said war... Met friends, yes. But were still simply war orphans living off of scraps and struggling to survive. Whereas Naruto was lonely? Boo hoo. He had a home, a Hokage that cared, food. Does not having a buddy to play with really equal what Nagato had done to him? Really? And how is... Basically holding the knife, not moving it as your best friend stabs himself into it as another of your bestfriends life hangs in the balance not greater then Naruto's pain? He saw Yahiko die. In fact, he even goes on to state that many more of his fellow comrades that DEPENDED ON HIM when he assumed leadership died.
Naruto's pain consists of lonliness, the death of a friend or two and the death of a father figure. He's had it easy when compared to someone like Nagato.
Yes, they have memories. Memories that cause anguish and pain when reflected upon. Once more, Nagato states that thee death of his parents hurts him to the day he died. I paraphrase a tad, but the point is there. While not knowing your parents is bad, having to witness their deaths is much worse.
Naruto trying to hold his anger when he found out about Kakashi's death:
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You say that the was for a short time? But the fact of the matter is, it was still more then Nagato's 2 pains =]. You say it was for a small time, because they were revived? Oh really? Because I sure in hell didn't see Naruto whining and B*tching about Kakashi's death after he said he understands Nagato's pain. Oh you know why? BECAUSE HE CHOSE TO GET OVER IT. Hell, you think pain only comes from deaths, and not experience? wth is with this logic. Everyone in the leaf was close to Naruto, they didn't have to be his brother or father.... because that is how Naruto's personality is. THAT IS ALSO HOW HASHIRAMA'S PERSONALITY is. Do you know Tobirama believes Naruto could be a better Hokage then his brother? Do you know why he states he is the duplicate of Hashirama? Because he lives with the same beliefs as Hashirama, "The fellow countrymen of the Konoha make up each part of my body… those of the village believe in me, and I believe in them… That's what it means to be Hokage!"
HOW CAN YOU SAY THE ALLIANCE MEMBERS ARE NOTHING TO NARUTO, WHEN NARUTO HIMSELF WAS FREAKING CRYING OVER THEIR DEATHS... WHY ARE YOU MAKING OPINIONS FOR NARUTO, THAT GO AGAINST HIS CHARACTER?
You keep bringing in a war.. that had Nagato go through only 3 important deaths. Yet you forget the war that is pressured upon Naruto , the war that is times greater then the war Nagato experienced. Is "war" the best defense you guys have? You think Naruto is in a pony land?
Also, your next best defense to bash down NAruto's pain is "Boohoo he had a hokage that cared"... yea cared really good ok, had people calling him a demon, had people despising....crying every single Night.... sorry but Naruto went through more sh*t then Nagato at a younger age. He raised himself up. He wasn't fed by his bestfriend or his parents (unlike Nagato). HOW MANY PEOPLE DEPENDED ON NAGATO? THOUSANDS?? no.
See this is where your mistaken, according to the MANGA, Naruto's pain consists of the people who had been killed in the war, the experience of the destruction of his village and the death of his people. The death of his master.. Despised for reasons he didn't know about.. "Disgrace"... yet you only say loneliness?
Just because Nagato chose to B*tch and moan about it, and Naruto isn't choosing to do that does not mean Nagato had it worst......Also, since we are on Nagato, he believes Tsunade hasn't experienced pain like his, do you also believe that?
No need to be rude. And Nagato's parents obviously didn't have the same beliefs that Minato and Jiraiya did. Minato and Jiraiya told him about the ways to peace, of course Nagato's parents wouldn't have the same ideology.
How do you know they didn't? Yahiko had the same belief as Jiraiya. In fact are you ignoring the fact that Jiraiya also taught Nagato for about 3 years.. more then he taught Naruto......
It's gotten to the part where you've become far too unintelligent to pose this conversation with anymore. Your biased is showing on several matters, not to mention your starting to make things up whilst contradicting yourself here.
Continue fooling yourself to believe that Naruto's life is as hard as you make it out. But, by the end of the day it's simply all fan fiction.
Naruto trying to hold his anger when he found out about Kakashi's death:
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You say that the was for a short time? But the fact of the matter is, it was still more then Nagato's 2 pains =]. You say it was for a small time, because they were revived? Oh really? Because I sure in hell didn't see Naruto whining and B*tching about Kakashi's death after he said he understands Nagato's pain. Oh you know why? BECAUSE HE CHOSE TO GET OVER IT. Hell, you think pain only comes from deaths, and not experience? wth is with this logic. Everyone in the leaf was close to Naruto, they didn't have to be his brother or father.... because that is how Naruto's personality is. THAT IS ALSO HOW HASHIRAMA'S PERSONALITY is. Do you know Tobirama believes Naruto could be a better Hokage then his brother? Do you know why he states he is the duplicate of Hashirama? Because he lives with the same beliefs as Hashirama, "The fellow countrymen of the Konoha make up each part of my body… those of the village believe in me, and I believe in them… That's what it means to be Hokage!"
HOW CAN YOU SAY THE ALLIANCE MEMBERS ARE NOTHING TO NARUTO, WHEN NARUTO HIMSELF WAS FREAKING CRYING OVER THEIR DEATHS... WHY ARE YOU MAKING OPINIONS FOR NARUTO, THAT GO AGAINST HIS CHARACTER?
You keep bringing in a war.. that had Nagato go through only 3 important deaths. Yet you forget the war that is pressured upon Naruto , the war that is times greater then the war Nagato experienced. Is "war" the best defense you guys have? You think Naruto is in a pony land?
Also, your next best defense to bash down NAruto's pain is "Boohoo he had a hokage that cared"... yea cared really good ok, had people calling him a demon, had people despising....crying every single Night.... sorry but Naruto went through more sh*t then Nagato at a younger age. He raised himself up. He wasn't fed by his bestfriend or his parents (unlike Nagato). HOW MANY PEOPLE DEPENDED ON NAGATO? THOUSANDS?? no.
See this is where your mistaken, according to the MANGA, Naruto's pain consists of the people who had been killed in the war, the experience of the destruction of his village and the death of his people. The death of his master.. Despised for reasons he didn't know about.. "Disgrace"... yet you only say loneliness?
Just because Nagato chose to B*tch and moan about it, and Naruto isn't choosing to do that does not mean Nagato had it worst......Also, since we are on Nagato, he believes Tsunade hasn't experienced pain like his, do you also believe that?
How do you know they didn't? Yahiko had the same belief as Jiraiya. In fact are you ignoring the fact that Jiraiya also taught Nagato for about 3 years.. more then he taught Naruto......
Jiraiya only met him after his parents died though, and as to you earlier statement, Nagato didn't '***** and moan' about anything, he knew that the world could only be taken by force and bothered to make a change.
Also this war is different from previous wars, isn't it? This war's hatred is directed towards Obito, Madara and Juubi, whilst in the war Nagato was in, all the villages were against each other. Even Hanzo who was the leader of the rain was indirectly causing all the famine in the Hidden rain in the first place.
It's gotten to the part where you've become far too unintelligent to pose this conversation with anymore. Your biased is showing on several matters, not to mention your starting to make things up whilst contradicting yourself here.
Continue fooling yourself to believe that Naruto's life is as hard as you make it out. But, by the end of the day it's simply all fan fiction.
Is this coming from the man who was saying the alliance's deaths are nothing to Naruto?
Show me one thing i contradicted in that specific post. And show me where my biased is showing, because yours is kinda leaking out of every single you have made on the thread.
Your trying to prove what the manga disagrees with, so good luck to you oh "great intelligent person". =D
Jiraiya only met him after his parents died though, and as to you earlier statement, Nagato didn't '***** and moan' about anything, he knew that the world could only be taken by force and bothered to make a change.
Jiraiya only met Naruto after he was nearly killed by Orochimaru and Zabuza and Haku..... and you know lived for 10 years raising himself up.... you know not knowing love.... just looking at people and wondering what a family is.... you know being hated by everyone around him. ^_^.
Nagato didn't b*tch and moan about anything? Though he was hell bent on killing people, and making them experience the same pain he suffered even though that is impossible since they would be dead...All this was derived from his b*tching and moaning about Yahiko and his parent's death.. he still had the akatsuki and Konan...
@bold, -sigh- sadly your naive just like Nagato and Madara and Obito.
