Naruto and Genjutsu

[itsxtrayy]

Since the thread got deleted I wanted to repost my reply.

Genjutsu DOES work on hosts they just have a partner that snaps them out of it right away. Sasuke's genjutsu worked on Bee he even said he couldn't move.

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Bee was caught in a regular genjutsu by Itachi and then the 8 tails woke him up right away. Hosts aren't IMMUNE again they just have someone to snap them out right away

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The problem with tsukuyomi is that it affects you INSTANTLY there's no time for the beast to snap you out because the damage has already been done. Itachi ability to control the flow of time is what makes tsukuyomi so hax.

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YES, even though Naruto has rsm he would still get one shot by Tsukuyomi if Itachi could manage to land it.

 

[Xlad]

That's a no limits fallacy.

 

[itsxtrayy]

That's a no limits fallacy.

there is no such thing as a no limits fallacy

 

[Solidus Solidus Solidus]

Good thread. love it.

 

[maniaoqan]

And without Naruto's permission Kyuubi cannot takeover to fight, its been proven that Naruto must let Kyuubi take control consciously.

Kyuubi is always asking Naruto to let him switch.

 

[Xlad]

there is no such thing as a no limits fallacy

Yes there is. If RSM Naruto was said to have universal comprehension, does that actually mean it's universal level? Then there is the fact that RSM Naruto's chakra is absolutely out of Itachi's league.

 

[Tarinth]

The issue with this is that we're assuming that Naruto requires the bijuu to be snapped out of the genjutsu.
Normally, any ordinary or even strong shinobi cannot counter the tsukiyomi without the sharingan.
However, Naruto is an extraordinarily powerful shinobi with rikudo chakra. The assumption that he can't snap
out of genjutsu on his own even if at that level cannot be made.

Tsukiyomi's instantaneous effects refer to how in the physical world, a mere second passed when the user
already suffers 72 hours of trauma. However, to suffer these 72 hours of trauma, the victim actually is experiencing
this pain for 72 hours, and thus has 72 hours to try to snap out. No one has enough time to snap them out from
the outside. But the victim himself can if he is strong enough.
Now, whether Naruto is strong or not enough remains to be seen, and I won't argue it either way, but I'm just
saying that Tsukiyomi's hax doesn't guarantee a jinchuruuki's inability to break out.

 

[itsxtrayy]

Yes there is. If RSM Naruto was said to have universal comprehension, does that actually mean it's universal level? Then there is the fact that RSM Naruto's chakra is absolutely out of Itachi's league.

Lmfao mangafacts only please, no databook hyperbole

 

[Rohan]

No, Tsukuyomi will only work if both the Host and Bijuu fall under it simultaneously. Otherwise each will disrupt the chakra flow of the other to break the Genjutsu.

 

[KesOnFire]

How will Itachi get Kurama and Naruto?

Plus Naruto already knows about it so he won't get caught in it again if they were to really battle.

+ Naruto is much wiser now

 

[Xlad]

Lmfao mangafacts only please, no databook hyperbole

Databook and manga have the same credibility since they come from the same bastard himself. So are we just going to dismiss this example just because? Naruto also told Bee that Amaterasu would finish him off. Guess what happened to him.

 

[itsxtrayy]

The issue with this is that we're assuming that Naruto requires the bijuu to be snapped out of the genjutsu.
Normally, any ordinary or even strong shinobi cannot counter the tsukiyomi without the sharingan.
However, Naruto is an extraordinarily powerful shinobi with rikudo chakra. The assumption that he can't snap
out of genjutsu on his own even if at that level cannot be made.

Tsukiyomi's instantaneous effects refer to how in the physical world, a mere second passed when the user
already suffers 72 hours of trauma. However, to suffer these 72 hours of trauma, the victim actually is experiencing
this pain for 72 hours, and thus has 72 hours to try to snap out. No one has enough time to snap them out from
the outside. But the victim himself can if he is strong enough.
Now, whether Naruto is strong or not enough remains to be seen, and I won't argue it either way, but I'm just
saying that Tsukiyomi's hax doesn't guarantee a jinchuruuki's inability to break out.

Naruto has NEVER broken out of a genjutsu in the entire manga and Jiraiya said he sucks at genjutsu anyway. I don't believe he could break tsukuyomi. And i'm not arguing that Kurama couldn't break Naruto out of Tsukuyomi he possibly could, I'm saying since the jutsu affects you instantly like Kakashi pointed out there's no time to break the person out.

 

[Solidus Solidus Solidus]

No, Tsukuyomi will only work if both the Host and Bijuu fall under it simultaneously. Otherwise each will disrupt the chakra flow of the other to break the Genjutsu.

1 second in the real world is 1 hours in Tsukuyomi.
The Bijuu needs a few seconds to realize and snap their host out of the Genjutsu.

3 Seconds and Naruto is mentally dead.

 

[iNotorious]

I doubt it. RSM naruto is impossibru.

 

[itsxtrayy]

Databook and manga have the same credibility since they come from the same bastard himself. So are we just going to dismiss this example just because? Naruto also told Bee that Amaterasu would finish him off. Guess what happened to him.

No, they don't, its a well known fact that the databook is full of hyperbole and things that contradict the manga.

 

[itsxtrayy]

No, Tsukuyomi will only work if both the Host and Bijuu fall under it simultaneously. Otherwise each will disrupt the chakra flow of the other to break the Genjutsu.

No he only has to get Naruto and since it affects you instantly Kurama wont have enough time to break Naruto out of it before it takes effect just like Kakashi said.

 

[6thHokage]

Didn't Naruto get soloed by a genjutsu in The Last?

 

[The Necromancer]

No, Tsukuyomi will only work if both the Host and Bijuu fall under it simultaneously. Otherwise each will disrupt the chakra flow of the other to break the Genjutsu.

Normally yes. With Tsukuyomi? No. It's resolved faster than a bijuu or even a shinobi partner could stop.

 

[Xlad]

No, they don't, its a well known fact that the databook is full of hyperbole and things that contradict the manga.

Not all of DB entries are hyperbole. You just have to think and be honest about which words are considered hyperbole. I seriously do not want to derail this any further.

 

[Solidus Solidus Solidus]

Yes there is. If RSM Naruto was said to have universal comprehension, does that actually mean it's universal level? Then there is the fact that RSM Naruto's chakra is absolutely out of Itachi's league.

Please don't use the Databook for supporting your arguments, it makes you look weak.
Besides Itachi's Yata Mirror tanks everything thrown at it, the Databook says so.