I will admit that Sakura is like a Kushina Zetsu, but do you really think Kushina was refering to her bad traits? Moreover, Naruto is no where near like is father in terms of personality.
For the record, Naruto doesn’t think Hinata is weird. Second of all, the sole reason Kushina says find someone like your mother was because she assumed he’d turn out like his father, but he turned out like her, loud, hot headed and impatient. While Minato is humble, calm, level-headed, and quite. So who does this sound like to you? Hyuuga Hinata.
NaruSaku doesn’t parralel MinaKushi for this one reason:
MinaKushi:Quite/Loud
NaruSaku:Loud/Loud
Therefore, if anything MinaKushi = NaruHina & SasuKarin/Saku
Now let’s compare NaruHina childhood to MinaKushi childhood.
Naruto/Kushina are hated by most of the students for being themselves, and they also boldly state to become Hokage. Naruto/Kushina, while they didn’t hate Hinata/Minato, they viewed them in a bad way, with Naruto thinking Hinata’s dark and Kushina thinking Minato’s a wimp. Naruto/Kushina didn’t pay much attention to Hinata/Minato, but they did watch them from afar. But Naruto/Kushina noticed them when they stepped in to protect them from harm.
MinaKushi also shows that you don’t need to spend every waking second with someone in order to love them, as shown in how Minato loved Kushina without knowing her well, and she returned his feelings. Same applies for NaruHina.
I will admit that Sakura is like a Kushina Zetsu, but do you really think Kushina was refering to her bad traits? Moreover, Naruto is no where near like is father in terms of personality.
For the record, Naruto doesn’t think Hinata is weird. Second of all, the sole reason Kushina says find someone like your mother was because she assumed he’d turn out like his father, but he turned out like her, loud, hot headed and impatient. While Minato is humble, calm, level-headed, and quite. So who does this sound like to you? Hyuuga Hinata.
NaruSaku doesn’t parralel MinaKushi for this one reason:
MinaKushi:Quite/Loud
NaruSaku:Loud/Loud
Therefore, if anything MinaKushi = NaruHina & SasuKarin/Saku
Now let’s compare NaruHina childhood to MinaKushi childhood.
Naruto/Kushina are hated by most of the students for being themselves, and they also boldly state to become Hokage. Naruto/Kushina, while they didn’t hate Hinata/Minato, they viewed them in a bad way, with Naruto thinking Hinata’s dark and Kushina thinking Minato’s a wimp. Naruto/Kushina didn’t pay much attention to Hinata/Minato, but they did watch them from afar. But Naruto/Kushina noticed them when they stepped in to protect them from harm.
MinaKushi also shows that you don’t need to spend every waking second with someone in order to love them, as shown in how Minato loved Kushina without knowing her well, and she returned his feelings. Same applies for NaruHina.
I daresay my COPY/PASTE skills are on par
Sakura and Kushina have extremely similar personality traits; they are both designed to be Tsundere-type characters. When Kushina is introduced, one of the first things that she does is lose her temper and hit Naruto on the head. People have tried to argue that she only does this once and therefore Kushina=/=Sakura, but as Kishi portrayed her in the movie, she loses her temper and lashes out at other people on a daily basis.
As to their similar character developments: both Sakura and Kushina initially looked upon Naruto/Minato with disdain, but their dispositions towards each of the latter two changed for the better after the men proved the girls' opinions wrong.
People argue that Kushina immediately fell for Minato after he rescued her, whereas Sakura has not been completely won over by Naruto yet, but they forget the fact that Kushina's story had to be compressed into the pace of one chapter, so her character development has to occur at a much faster rate than Sakura's, which is gradually done over the course of the story, as with all main characters in a typical story.
Both Sakura and Kushina had deep-seated insecurities over one of their defining physical traits, and were both picked on for it.
Kushina with her red hair and Sakura with her large forhead. Both Minato and Naruto are the first to compliment each women on this particular trait (albeit Naruto having done so while disguised as Sasuke).
Most importantly, consider the fact that a major aspect of a mangaka's storytelling is done through imagery, and the way in which the mangaka illustrates is a tool for him/her to establish symbolism and parallels.
With that mindset, observe these panels (some of them are redundant, but I think you'll "get the picture"):
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Note: also remember the fact that all the panels of Kushina were drawn after these panels with Sakura. Kushina was designed to be like Sakura, and not vice versa.
Just for laughs, I remember another user having once said that Hinata and Naruto were destined to be a pairing because of their opposing color themes. To that I say this: Did Minato and Kushina have contrasting color themes? Did Sakura's father and mother (who Kishi confirms are indeed canonically the way they are in the movie) have contrasting color themes?
Funnily enough, both confirmed pairings have a Yellowish/Reddish contrast, like with Naruto and Sakura:
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Of course this isn't really meant to be taken as a serious argument, but it nevertheless exists to disprove the previous argument.
The parallel with JiraTsu is also very apparent, and this is where the themes of the story also get drawn very strongly:
With his dying thoughts Jiraiya looks upon his life and notes his many failures, one of which is never getting Tsunade, the women he loved and remained emotionally devoted to for so long, to fall for him.
On of the main themes of the manga is the next generation surpassing the previous one, and succeeding where one's predecessors have failed.
With this line of logic, does it not befit the story for Naruto to succeed where his master failed, and actually succeed in winning over Sakura, the girl he loves and has remained emotionally devoted to for so long?
And regarding the parallels presented in RtN:
The plot of the movie is of course not considered canon. What it does prove is Kishimoto's intent on establishing a parallel between MinaKushi/NaruSaku. The thing is, we shouldn't even have to use the movie as evidence of the NaruSaku/MinaKushi parallel, as it was clearly established within the canon manga itself. But despite the fact that being part of this parallel does not automatically have to mean that NaruSaku will become canon, some fans considered it important enough to try and twist it into a NaruHina/MinaKushi parallel.
With the movie (which I have in the past stated should not be used as evidence of the likelihood of a pairing itself), NaruHina fans can no longer make such an assertion, as here Kishimoto makes it abundantly clear that he intended to establish this parallel between NaruSaku/MinaKushi from the beginning.
Sakura kidnapped by Tobi and chained up in the exact same manner Kushina was, Naruto putting on the kage cloak in the exact same manner Minato did his final night, Naruto saving Sakura bridal style the same way Minato did Kushina, Naruto beating Tobi with the exact same move Minato did Tobi. And then Naruto says that a kids job is to surpass his parents? Then Kishi flashbacks MinaKushi’s final night at the same time.
Why does he put these painfully obvious parallels into the movie?
Again, proof of a specific pairing being canon within the manga? No.
Proof of the author having intended a specific parallel within the manga? Yes.
You seem to be of the philosophy that opposites complement one another in a relationship. If we are to apply real world logic into this, as you are so inclined to do, then I should mention that multiple studies exist to prove such assumptions wrong. Psychologically, people prefer to look for others who are of similar personalities and attitudes to be in a relationship with.
Even in the fictional NarutoVerse, opposites don't necessarily attract.
-Asuma and Kurenai were both level-headed, confident, and intelligent individuals. That did not prevent them from being part of a stable relationship that ultimately resulted in a child.
-A fan favorite pairing, Shikamaru and Temari, consists of two highly intelligent and serious individuals fit for leadership roles.
But let's say we're looking only personality roles within relationships. During Minato and Kushina's normal interactions with one another, Kushina was said to have always been the dominant one, having won almost every single argument between the two of them. Naruto and Sakura's normal interactions with one another run along the same vein, with Sakura displaying the dominant attitudes and Naruto taking on the more submissive role (whining, conceding, etc.) in the occasional conflict between the two. It is only during the most serious of situations that Naruto/Minato actually take on an assertive attitude in speaking with Sakura/Kushina.
I like it, too but I feel sorry for Karin tbh. Esepcially when Sakura was triyng to heal her and she looked so broken (emotionally). I don't think she's bad at all.
I daresay my COPY/PAST skills are on par
Sakura and Kushina have extremely similar personality traits; they are both designed to be Tsundere-type characters. When Kushina is introduced, one of the first things that she does is lose her temper and hit Naruto on the head. People have tried to argue that she only does this once and therefore Kushina=/=Sakura, but as Kishi portrayed her in the movie, she loses her temper and lashes out at other people on a daily basis.
As to their similar character developments: both Sakura and Kushina initially looked upon Naruto/Minato with disdain, but their dispositions towards each of the latter two changed for the better after the men proved the girls' opinions wrong.
People argue that Kushina immediately fell for Minato after he rescued her, whereas Sakura has not been completely won over by Naruto yet, but they forget the fact that Kushina's story had to be compressed into the pace of one chapter, so her character development has to occur at a much faster rate than Sakura's, which is gradually done over the course of the story, as with all main characters in a typical story.
Both Sakura and Kushina had deep-seated insecurities over one of their defining physical traits, and were both picked on for it.
Kushina with her red hair and Sakura with her large forhead. Both Minato and Naruto are the first to compliment each women on this particular trait (albeit Naruto having done so while disguised as Sasuke).
Most importantly, consider the fact that a major aspect of a mangaka's storytelling is done through imagery, and the way in which the mangaka illustrates is a tool for him/her to establish symbolism and parallels.
With that mindset, observe these panels (some of them are redundant, but I think you'll "get the picture"):
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Note: also remember the fact that all the panels of Kushina were drawn after these panels with Sakura. Kushina was designed to be like Sakura, and not vice versa.
Just for laughs, I remember another user having once said that Hinata and Naruto were destined to be a pairing because of their opposing color themes. To that I say this: Did Minato and Kushina have contrasting color themes? Did Sakura's father and mother (who Kishi confirms are indeed canonically the way they are in the movie) have contrasting color themes?
Funnily enough, both confirmed pairings have a Yellowish/Reddish contrast, like with Naruto and Sakura:
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Of course this isn't really meant to be taken as a serious argument, but it nevertheless exists to disprove the previous argument.
The parallel with JiraTsu is also very apparent, and this is where the themes of the story also get drawn very strongly:
With his dying thoughts Jiraiya looks upon his life and notes his many failures, one of which is never getting Tsunade, the women he loved and remained emotionally devoted to for so long, to fall for him.
On of the main themes of the manga is the next generation surpassing the previous one, and succeeding where one's predecessors have failed.
With this line of logic, does it not befit the story for Naruto to succeed where his master failed, and actually succeed in winning over Sakura, the girl he loves and has remained emotionally devoted to for so long?
I daresay my COPY/PAST skills are on par
Sakura and Kushina have extremely similar personality traits; they are both designed to be Tsundere-type characters. When Kushina is introduced, one of the first things that she does is lose her temper and hit Naruto on the head. People have tried to argue that she only does this once and therefore Kushina=/=Sakura, but as Kishi portrayed her in the movie, she loses her temper and lashes out at other people on a daily basis.
As to their similar character developments: both Sakura and Kushina initially looked upon Naruto/Minato with disdain, but their dispositions towards each of the latter two changed for the better after the men proved the girls' opinions wrong.
People argue that Kushina immediately fell for Minato after he rescued her, whereas Sakura has not been completely won over by Naruto yet, but they forget the fact that Kushina's story had to be compressed into the pace of one chapter, so her character development has to occur at a much faster rate than Sakura's, which is gradually done over the course of the story, as with all main characters in a typical story.
Both Sakura and Kushina had deep-seated insecurities over one of their defining physical traits, and were both picked on for it.
Kushina with her red hair and Sakura with her large forhead. Both Minato and Naruto are the first to compliment each women on this particular trait (albeit Naruto having done so while disguised as Sasuke).
Most importantly, consider the fact that a major aspect of a mangaka's storytelling is done through imagery, and the way in which the mangaka illustrates is a tool for him/her to establish symbolism and parallels.
With that mindset, observe these panels (some of them are redundant, but I think you'll "get the picture"):
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Note: also remember the fact that all the panels of Kushina were drawn after these panels with Sakura. Kushina was designed to be like Sakura, and not vice versa.
Just for laughs, I remember another user having once said that Hinata and Naruto were destined to be a pairing because of their opposing color themes. To that I say this: Did Minato and Kushina have contrasting color themes? Did Sakura's father and mother (who Kishi confirms are indeed canonically the way they are in the movie) have contrasting color themes?
Funnily enough, both confirmed pairings have a Yellowish/Reddish contrast, like with Naruto and Sakura:
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Of course this isn't really meant to be taken as a serious argument, but it nevertheless exists to disprove the previous argument.
The parallel with JiraTsu is also very apparent, and this is where the themes of the story also get drawn very strongly:
With his dying thoughts Jiraiya looks upon his life and notes his many failures, one of which is never getting Tsunade, the women he loved and remained emotionally devoted to for so long, to fall for him.
On of the main themes of the manga is the next generation surpassing the previous one, and succeeding where one's predecessors have failed.
With this line of logic, does it not befit the story for Naruto to succeed where his master failed, and actually succeed in winning over Sakura, the girl he loves and has remained emotionally devoted to for so long?
I daresay my COPY/PASTE skills are on par
Sakura and Kushina have extremely similar personality traits; they are both designed to be Tsundere-type characters. When Kushina is introduced, one of the first things that she does is lose her temper and hit Naruto on the head. People have tried to argue that she only does this once and therefore Kushina=/=Sakura, but as Kishi portrayed her in the movie, she loses her temper and lashes out at other people on a daily basis.
As to their similar character developments: both Sakura and Kushina initially looked upon Naruto/Minato with disdain, but their dispositions towards each of the latter two changed for the better after the men proved the girls' opinions wrong.
People argue that Kushina immediately fell for Minato after he rescued her, whereas Sakura has not been completely won over by Naruto yet, but they forget the fact that Kushina's story had to be compressed into the pace of one chapter, so her character development has to occur at a much faster rate than Sakura's, which is gradually done over the course of the story, as with all main characters in a typical story.
Both Sakura and Kushina had deep-seated insecurities over one of their defining physical traits, and were both picked on for it.
Kushina with her red hair and Sakura with her large forhead. Both Minato and Naruto are the first to compliment each women on this particular trait (albeit Naruto having done so while disguised as Sasuke).
Most importantly, consider the fact that a major aspect of a mangaka's storytelling is done through imagery, and the way in which the mangaka illustrates is a tool for him/her to establish symbolism and parallels.
With that mindset, observe these panels (some of them are redundant, but I think you'll "get the picture"):
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Note: also remember the fact that all the panels of Kushina were drawn after these panels with Sakura. Kushina was designed to be like Sakura, and not vice versa.
Just for laughs, I remember another user having once said that Hinata and Naruto were destined to be a pairing because of their opposing color themes. To that I say this: Did Minato and Kushina have contrasting color themes? Did Sakura's father and mother (who Kishi confirms are indeed canonically the way they are in the movie) have contrasting color themes?
Funnily enough, both confirmed pairings have a Yellowish/Reddish contrast, like with Naruto and Sakura:
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Of course this isn't really meant to be taken as a serious argument, but it nevertheless exists to disprove the previous argument.
The parallel with JiraTsu is also very apparent, and this is where the themes of the story also get drawn very strongly:
With his dying thoughts Jiraiya looks upon his life and notes his many failures, one of which is never getting Tsunade, the women he loved and remained emotionally devoted to for so long, to fall for him.
On of the main themes of the manga is the next generation surpassing the previous one, and succeeding where one's predecessors have failed.
With this line of logic, does it not befit the story for Naruto to succeed where his master failed, and actually succeed in winning over Sakura, the girl he loves and has remained emotionally devoted to for so long?
And regarding the parallels presented in RtN:
The plot of the movie is of course not considered canon. What it does prove is Kishimoto's intent on establishing a parallel between MinaKushi/NaruSaku. The thing is, we shouldn't even have to use the movie as evidence of the NaruSaku/MinaKushi parallel, as it was clearly established within the canon manga itself. But despite the fact that being part of this parallel does not automatically have to mean that NaruSaku will become canon, some fans considered it important enough to try and twist it into a NaruHina/MinaKushi parallel.
With the movie (which I have in the past stated should not be used as evidence of the likelihood of a pairing itself), NaruHina fans can no longer make such an assertion, as here Kishimoto makes it abundantly clear that he intended to establish this parallel between NaruSaku/MinaKushi from the beginning.
Sakura kidnapped by Tobi and chained up in the exact same manner Kushina was, Naruto putting on the kage cloak in the exact same manner Minato did his final night, Naruto saving Sakura bridal style the same way Minato did Kushina, Naruto beating Tobi with the exact same move Minato did Tobi. And then Naruto says that a kids job is to surpass his parents? Then Kishi flashbacks MinaKushi’s final night at the same time.
Why does he put these painfully obvious parallels into the movie?
Again, proof of a specific pairing being canon within the manga? No.
Proof of the author having intended a specific parallel within the manga? Yes.
You seem to be of the philosophy that opposites complement one another in a relationship. If we are to apply real world logic into this, as you are so inclined to do, then I should mention that multiple studies exist to prove such assumptions wrong. Psychologically, people prefer to look for others who are of similar personalities and attitudes to be in a relationship with.
Even in the fictional NarutoVerse, opposites don't necessarily attract.
-Asuma and Kurenai were both level-headed, confident, and intelligent individuals. That did not prevent them from being part of a stable relationship that ultimately resulted in a child.
-A fan favorite pairing, Shikamaru and Temari, consists of two highly intelligent and serious individuals fit for leadership roles.
But let's say we're looking only personality roles within relationships. During Minato and Kushina's normal interactions with one another, Kushina was said to have always been the dominant one, having won almost every single argument between the two of them. Naruto and Sakura's normal interactions with one another run along the same vein, with Sakura displaying the dominant attitudes and Naruto taking on the more submissive role (whining, conceding, etc.) in the occasional conflict between the two. It is only during the most serious of situations that Naruto/Minato actually take on an assertive attitude in speaking with Sakura/Kushina.
Naruto and Sakura interact often, usually very well. They are pretty comfortable, and many scenes between them are humorous. But as soon as Naruto acts out, Sakura makes sure he's put back into place, usually using violence, which does not count as any of the following:
Love
Care
Concern
Friendship
Flirting
Tough Love
Sakura usually punches Naruto because she is embarrassed of him or because he surprises her. But those are pretty stuoid excuses, don't you think? There's no doubt in my mind that Sakura obviously cares deeply for Naruto, but punching him just for basically being dumb? That's lame. Which is why I don't find their relationship to be very appealing.
Secondly, NaruHina.
Naruto and Hinata seem to have a very good, understanding relationship whenever they get the chance to talk. Naruto feels no need to act all high and mighty for her-- as proved in chapter 98. And, like NaruSaku, NaruHina seems to be a humorous relationship. But, humorous in a different way. Naruto and Hinata's
moments are usually sweet, almost like they're in a sort of love comedy. All goes well until Hinata passes out, which is also pretty funny.
But, the thing is, everything Hinata stands for, Naruto stands for. He changed her that way. I'm not trying to purposely paint NaruSaku in a negative light-- it's the truth. There is no love behind her punches-- nor is there any romance between the two so far. But Hinata's reasons for fainting, although not have much more purpose than Sakura's reasons for punching Naruto.
Hints
Naruto’s colour scheme consists of Yellow/Orange while Hinata’s consists of Blue/Purple. These colours are opposites on the colour wheel, hence showcasing how these two are opposites.
NaruHina parallels GokuChi, a pairing from DBZ, the show that has GREATLY inspired Kishimoto.
Hinata's name means something like "Towards the Sun" And Naruto is commonly described as being like the sun, as he shines light into the darkness in people's hearts.
Even Madara, Obito, and Pain are able to see these to have more than just a platonic relationship. I guess that’s one of the other abilities of the Rennigan.
Take a look at how Madara refers to Hinata here.
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Missus is an informal way to refer to someones wife. Now obviously Naruto and Hinata aren’t married (yet), but this was right after the hand-holding scene, so you get my drift.
Look at Obito’s expression to Hinata and Naruto’s interaction.
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And don’t forget what pain said after he “killed” Hinata.
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There's no reason for Naruto and Sakura to be lovers as they're perfectly fine as friends. Sakura already has a good portion of the spotlight, especially in a shonen manga. However, everytime Hinata gets the spotlight it has something to do with Naruto. NaruHina not happening would be severely neglecting Hinata and her theme.
If Kishimoto wanted NaruSaku he would have made Hinata's feelings fade, but he didn't.
If Kishimoto wanted NaruSaku, he would have probably made it canon by now, they're all alone without Sasuke, so why hasn't it happened?
The NARUTO manga is all about friendship. Kishimoto is not going to throw that away to pave way for a romantic relationship between Team7 and/or Sai. He's going to want to either leave them single or pair them up outside of the team.
Sakura knows about Hinata's feelings for Naruto, it wouldn't be very nice on her part to still chase after him.
Counter Arguments
Kushina told Naruto to get a girl like her and not a weird girl!
I will admit that Sakura is like a Kushina Zetsu, but do you really think Kushina was refering to her bad traits? Moreover, Naruto is no where near like is father in terms of personality.
For the record, Naruto doesn’t think Hinata is weird. Second of all, the sole reason Kushina says find someone like your mother was because she assumed he’d turn out like his father, but he turned out like her, loud, hot headed and impatient. While Minato is humble, calm, level-headed, and quite. So who does this sound like to you? Hyuuga Hinata.
NaruSaku doesn’t parralel MinaKushi for this one reason:
MinaKushi:Quite/Loud
NaruSaku:Loud/Loud
Therefore, if anything MinaKushi = NaruHina & SasuKarin/Saku
Now let’s compare NaruHina childhood to MinaKushi childhood.
Naruto/Kushina are hated by most of the students for being themselves, and they also boldly state to become Hokage. Naruto/Kushina, while they didn’t hate Hinata/Minato, they viewed them in a bad way, with Naruto thinking Hinata’s dark and Kushina thinking Minato’s a wimp. Naruto/Kushina didn’t pay much attention to Hinata/Minato, but they did watch them from afar. But Naruto/Kushina noticed them when they stepped in to protect them from harm.
MinaKushi also shows that you don’t need to spend every waking second with someone in order to love them, as shown in how Minato loved Kushina without knowing her well, and she returned his feelings. Same applies for NaruHina.
Naruto never gives up, its his nindo!
Naruto has never told Sakura he loved her, and it was never his goal to get together with Sakura. Naruto's goal is to be*acknowledged, to*become Hokage*and to bring*Sasuke back. Besides, why would he need to work to be acknowledged by Sakura when he is already acknowledged by Hinata? Let's look at Hinata's theme: "Believe in yourself." How would that theme fit if Naruto ends up never acknowledging Hinata and rejects her for Sakura, someone who rejected him throughout most of Part1? That's not fair.
Oh, and not to forget, Naruto's nindo is "never take back my words", not giving up. He has never mentioned he would get Sakura to love him in Part1, so I don't see what the problem is.
Naruto would get Sakura to acknowledge him by loving him!
Not necessarily. Sakura already acknowledges Naruto, she already knows about Kyuubi, she knows him probably better than most people. If the above is the case, then why hasn't NaruSaku happened yet? They already know each other well, you'd think they'd be canon by now but they're not. Makes you think, doesn't it?
Hinata was never there for naruto!
A)Neither was Sakura
B)She had a strict father who broke her self-esteem, what did you expect?
C)Your argument is invalid because Naruto disagrees with you, and that’s all that matters.
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Sai’s flashback AFTER the Pain arc shows Naruto still loves Sakura.
As you just said yourself, this was Sai thinking this and not Naruto, therefore it doesn’t matter. This flashback wasn’t placed here to show that Naruto still has feelings for Sakura, it was shown to show that Sai is starting to become more human and care about his team mates.
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What about the date?
That date held no romatic context what so ever, Kishi said so himself.*
The NaruHina in the anime were only fillers!
True. But why did the animators necessarily put NaruHina in the fillers? Why'd they do that if they knew it could end some other way ending up with loads of dissapointed fans on their asses? Its absolutely normal for manga authors to tell animators how they're going to end the manga or at least what they have planned. I don't think the animators are stupid enough to put NaruHina in if they knew NaruSaku would or could happen.
Hinata can be strong without Naruto! Wouldn't that show her character development?
If anyone were to ask me this, I'd applaud them for being a good debater, but it won't work on me. Hinata's source for inspiration? Naruto, Hinata's reason to grow? Naruto. Unlike Sakura's crush for Sasuke keeping her immature, Hinata's crush for Naruto did the opposite, made her mature, made her stronger. Yes, Hinata can become acknowledged by her clan and become strong, but it wouldn't resolve her feelings for Naruto. I already proved how Sakura's feelings for Sasuke had resolved, how Naruto's feelings for Sakura had resolved, but Hinata's - maybe being a minor character - feelings have yet to be resolved.
NejiHina and KibaHina are better options for her.
Guess what?
Neji supports NaruHina:
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Kiba supports NaruHina, he knows Hinata's feelings for Naruto:
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That's not all,*Sakura*also has a clue on what is going on;
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Hinata shouldn't be a mere love interest!
Just because Hinata may be the main character's love interest doesn't mean that's all there is to her character. You're the one assuming it so.
*insert nonsense here about Naruto making Hinata weak and how its like SasuIno/SasuSaku that way here*
As someone who hates SasuSaku and loves NaruHina I'm profoundly*insulted. You’re insulting Naruto as the main character;*Naruto's role as a main character is to influence people and make them strong.Hinata is no exception. Saying Naruto makes someone weak, especially when it comes to Hinata, is the most outrageous and laughable thing I have ever heard in the fandom. Fact is, Naruto makes Hinata strong just like he influences every other character in the manga from Zabuza to Gaara to Tsunade,*its his role as a main character.*I know I'm repeating myself, but if you're so moronic to think that Naruto makes someone weak then dear, you need to be spoon-fed.
Hinata's actually one of the very few characters that returns that and makes Naruto stronger.Previously, that was only seen in Iruka.
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Naruto makes Hinata stronger, that was predictable. Hinata making Naruto stronger, however, was unexpected.
Hinata could never understand Naruto!
That is true and not true
Hinata's past is gravely underestimated; She had no loved ones until probably Team Eight, her mother is more likely than not dead, Neji as a branch member used her as an arguement for him to take over the Main Branch and constantly used her as the symbol of how unfair the situation was as she had the advantage even if she was weaker and the Main Branch knew this and therefore hated her for that, her father technically abandoning her. Hinata's past deserves to be up there with Naruto's, Sasuke's and Gaara's and as someone who can relate to the jinchuuriki I can assure you of that with first hand experience myself.
However, if you want to specifically pull out the jinchuuriki card you may as well say Naruto will not end up with anybody unless you're arguing GaaNaru.
This is a shonen manga! The guys are supposed to get what they want and girls really don't matter!
Interesting that you mention this; its an oxymoron.
1.) Yes, Naruto is supposed to get what he wants, but its not specifically Sakura: Naruto wants love and to be loved, to be acknowledged. It doesn't matter on who's account. Really, it'd be better off for Naruto not to get something that he wanted*at the beginning of the manga*because, hey, the main character needs some character development too. And guess what? A lot of that was because of Hinata.
2.) Yes, this is a shonen manga, but this manga a specific target is achieving GOALS
Hinata's goal is to confess to Naruto and get acknowledgment from him.
First part is sort of done.
Second part isn't, as she wasn't there at the end of the Neji/Naruto battle.
Really, achieving goals triumphs over sexism here.
Naruto will surpass Jiriaya and get the girl he wants! NaruSaku = JirTsunade
Ever stop to think what it exactly is that they’re meant to surpass? Naruto is meant to surpass Jiriaya in bringing peace to the world, not getting laid. And another thing I notice is that NaruSaku always leave Dan out of this equation. Yes, Naruto is Jiriaya and yes Sakura is Tsundae, but then who’s Sasuke? Dan, that’s who.
Dan disappeared from the life of Tsunade (just like Sasuke and Sakura) and she didn’t just go and replace him with option #2, Jiriaya (Naruto). Now Jiriaya, after Dan’s death, continued to flirt with Tsunade from time to time, but he fully accepted the fact that he wouldn’t, shouldn’t and can’t replace Dan as Tsunade’s lover. Why? Because Tsunade truly loved him. Same goes for Naruto, who flirted but wasn’t serious about anything since he new Sasuke was who she loved, and who she would ever love.
Hinata does not have feelings for Naruto, it is only admiration!
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Naruto still loves/likes Sakura!
No, he doesn't. I won't argue on Sakura loving Naruto, but if that's the case, then its not requited. Naruto knew and accepted that Sakura did not like him back in Part1 right before the the Sasuke Retrieval arc
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Remember when Sasuke was hospitalized and when he woke up Sakura jumped to embrace him leaving Naruto pensive? I'm pretty sure that it was more or less that moment when Naruto gave up his feelings on Sakura before the time jump which is what? 2 or 3 years? That's a long time. I'm pretty sure he'd give up his feelings by then.
Naruto loves Sakura, not Hinata! Sakura is what's best for him!
Hinata is better at keeping it cool when Naruto does something dumb. And, she's also better at understanding him. Sakura is not what is best for him at the moment, because Naruto endured one of the deepest pains-- rejection. Naruto was constantly being rejected by the villagers (and numerous times by Sakura) and Hinata was rejected by her father, her own flesh and blood. Perhaps once Sakura can understand and accept the fact that Naruto will never change in that aspect, then she could become a very likely competitor in the blonde's love life. But until that day, right now it seems that Hinata understands him better.*
Hinata wouldn't be able to handle a relationship with Naruto! She's too shy!
Not so. The only reason Hinata is like that around Naruto is because she loves him. Now that she has confessed, most of that tension should be gone. And, if she were to develop a relationship with Naruto, I'm sure all of her nervousness would be gone-- a big leap for her character development.*
People fail to see Hinata's character here; yes, Hinata is shy. However, she's not*that shy. Whenever she did get close to Naruto, she's the one that has striked up the conversation. Part of NaruHina is Hinata overcoming that shyness and that "fate" (Neji was to represent this in the chuunin exam) of never achieving goals and that was represented by Neji's "caged bird" comparison.
Anyways, as of late Hinata is no longer the shy little girl she used to be, and is acting more and more like her sensei Kurenia.
What about Yamato's speech in 249?
You must be tired of hearing this, so why keep bringing it up?
First of all, Yamato only knew them for what, two weeks? He doesn't know about Sasuke or Hinata. At first glance, they seemed pretty obvious. But then these two came into the picture. Sasuke and Hinata are there for a reason-- they can't be treated like pieces of meat. Secondly, he never finished. There was NO cut off 'L', NO logic behind his speech because of his absence during Part I, and no one knows what he was about to say. Only Kishimoto. And, you know what? If Kishimoto really wanted it to happen, he would have made him finish.*
It's more than obvious that Kishimoto likes and ships NaruSaku! He put them on the same team, and now Sakura's starting to like Naruto back!
There is no proof that she has A. Dropped her feelings for Sasuke, or B. Fallen for Naruto. No solid evidence, no hints, nothing. Naruto has a crush on Sakura. Sakura is in love with Sasuke. Hinata is in love with Naruto. Nothing really changed much over the years. Also... if NaruSaku was canon, don't you think he would have left Hinata out? Her character is almost entirely based on her feelings for Naruto. Her feelings for Naruto have carried on to Part II. Why? If Kishimoto kept them, they must have some sort of significance.*
Kishimoto also stated that he found it hard to add romance. Developing a romantic relationship between the two main characters would be easy. Creating romance between two people who hardly see each other is hard.
We told you so! Sakura recently confessed her feelings for Naruto!
Yes. And Naruto told her off. He could tell she was lying, and so could everyone else. Even the almighty Yamato, who so obviously supports NaruSaku. Kiba, Yamato, Kakashi, Lee... they all knew. So did I. And I have to admit, I lost a bit of respect for Sakura after that. But... at least she was doing it out of concern for Naruto. And notice it's not out of love. She wanted him to forget about the promise he made to her, but he said that the Promise was irrelevant to why he was chasing Sasuke. And the way she 'confessed'... it was simply so insincere, that I found it funny. How believable is, "I'm confessing now, so listen up!"? Sakura might as well have told Naruto that he was her second choice, which proves that we were right-- she was using him as a replacement for Sasuke. She also said, "I'm sorry, Naruto." She was crying, because she knew how much that must've hurt him. She knew he deserved better than that, and realized the mistake she had made in lying. That was the least romantic confession in the history of manga.*
And speaking of the confession, all you NaruHina fans are going crazy! All she did was confess-- it doesn't mean he will automatically love her!
Guess what? It doesn't. You are half right, half wrong.
While it doesn't mean he will automatically love her, it does mean that he knows someone truly accepts him for everything he is-- The dumbass Jinchuuriki host to Kyuubi no Yoko whom everyone hates-- and is really in love with him. Someone who sees no flaws whatsoever in him. That is very important. Sakura's punches show that she feels Naruto needs to change, or grow up in some way. But Hinata could care less-- in fact, if she could have it her way, he could stay like that forever. So, no, it doesn't mean he's in love with her. But it raises the possibility of him*learning*to love her back a great deal.
Naruto saves both Hinata and Sakura in chapter 558/9!
I beg to differ.
Hinata’s scene is different in that Naruto blocked an attack from harming her, and that panel was made for a reason. *hint, hint*
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Anyways, Sakura isn’t the only one Naruto saves, he also saves Shizune and some Akimichi dude.
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Also, whle we don’t see anymore of the medics, we get a whole scene of Naruto and Hinata.
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Their both able to read each others eyes, eh? Seems like these two are closer than you NS fans thought.
Naruto only holds Hinata’s hand to give her chakra!
Ok, where do I begin? Oh I know, how about the fact that Naruto isn't a jerk? Naruto understands how weak emotions are and how much it hurts when those emotions are played around with.
Proof? No problem.
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and take a look at this
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"Naruto is enraged by Sakura's confession"
Sakura herself realizes her mistake of lying to him and knows how much that must have hurt him.
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there's your proof.
This goes to show Naruto isn't one to play around with others' feelings, so what makes you think he would slowly grab Hinata's hand, hold it and thank her for always being by his side, if he didn't have some sort of romantic*interest*in her? He's not one to give Hinata false hope.
LoL, I guess NarutoXAlliance is now canon
This argument is SO stupid, all I’m going to say is: Look at previous argument.
He never does actually hold anyone’s hand anyways.
Shonen Jump released an interview with Kishimoto, where they asked him an attention-grabbing question:
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by telling me that "at least one case will be requited" and how Kishimoto hopes its naruhina, I'm getting the hint its the only pairing that will happen. Its great, as its the only pairing out of those I support.
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Finally, I’d like to say that Kishi originally intended Hinata to be Ramen guy’s daughter and work at Ichiraku Ramen and be Naruto’s love interest, but was turned into a ninja, however, her role didn’t change as Naruto’s lover.
1) Sakura punching Naruto for being dumb/perverted
Remember that this is a shonen manga, and most, if not all, of these series seem to require a female character hitting male characters for the sake of humor.
Furthermore, the manga is not grounded in reality, and these exaggerated scenes are meant to be viewed in the same light as Gai's overreactions to Kakashi's "hipness," Iruka/Sarutobi/Ebisu/Jiraiya/[insert male character]'s massive nosebleeds when becoming victim to Perverted Jutsus, and of course Hinata's fainting every time she sees Naruto.
Finally, if you still can't get over these scenes; while the anime may make it seem as if Sakura makes a habit of beating the living daylights out of Naruto every other day, with all its fillers and omakes, you should know that it has only occured 2-4 times throughout the ENTIRETY of the post-timeskip manga.
2) Naruto/Hinata Opposites Attract
Well I could argue that the "opposites attract" theory has already been proven untrue through real life studies, I have already acknowledged the fact that this manga is not based off reality.
The thing is, though, that within the Narutoverse itself, this argument has also proved untrue for other cases.
Asuma and Kurenai are both calm, collected, and fairly confident individuals. Yet, they had stable, ongoing relationship that resulted in a child.
A fan favorite pairing, ShikaTema, consists of two characters that have both been shown to be calm, intelligent, analytical (as seen in their chuunin exam fight), and both have similar leadership qualities . While some may say that they are opposites since Shikamaru is lazy and Temari is...not, its a pretty weak contrast in itself and hardly classifies them as opposites.
3) Minato/Kushina parallels
Bad traits? Try reading that chapter again. Kushina was quite proud of her reputation as the Bloody Habanero. Moving on....
No parallell? Oh boy...
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I don't think much needs to be said here.
It's not that Sakura is clone of Kushina, but rather that Kushina was deliberately designed after Sakura in looks, personality, and, as much as I'd hate to say, damsel in distress roles. Yes, Kushina and Naruto are alike, and therefore Naruto is much like Sakura, but again, opposites attract does not necessarily hold true within the Narutoverse.
As for the Minato/Hinata comparison, I'm sorry to offend, but I really have to facepalm on that one.
Minato was not a shy person at all. He was easygoing yet confident, as shown by his dialogue in his fight with A and Killer Bee, and had the drive to become Hokage which he passed on to Naruto along with Kushina.
He was initially as shy and softspoken around Kushina as anybody would be around their crush.
BTW, I am glad you brought up GokuChi. Did you forget that Goku was quite the (naive) pervert as a child, and that in reaction to this, Chi-Chi would hit Goku? here's something to refresh your memory if you don't:
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Not to mention that when Chi-Chi grows older, she becomes quite the aggressive, violent woman herself, or did that also slip your memory?
If what you say about Kishimoto being heavily inspired by DBZ is true, then NaruSaku is almost bound to happen.
4) Fillers
First and foremost, its quite apparent you are rationalizing it in a biased way in order to support your opinion. Fillers are fillers and should never be considered evidence in an argument. As has been said of any anime adaptation, their sole purpose as standalone episodes is to lengthen the gap between the manga and anime, and fillers placed within episodes themselves are used to adjust the time of an episode so that it will fit the 21-23 minute time slot. They have no worth in a canon argument. Sorry if I put it too bluntly, but people citing fillers are my biggest pet peeve.
Second, to respond to your point that the animators wouldn't put NaruHina moments in there if it wasn't planned to end that way. I could easily say vice-versa, that animators wouldn't put any NaruSaku moments in fillers and movies if they didn't intend on having the series end that way.
You say that while NaruHina fillers should be considered at least paritally canon, while at the same time saying NaruSaku fillers such as the date in the movie should not count. That is bias at its best.
I could say something similarly biased such as "Since the movie was written directly by Kishimoto, while the NaruHina filler moments were not, NaruSaku is more canon."
So I think we should both agree, movies/fillers by definition should NOT EVER be used as evidence for one pairing or another being canon.
Finally,
5) Naruto saves Hinata romantically while Naruto is just saving Sakura along with a couple of other people
It's quite obvious to see that you have interpreted the scene in a way that supports your bias.
Let me explain the true objective purpose of this scene:
Kishimoto isn't stupid, he is well aware of the fact that there exists conflicts over the pairings. As discussion of pairings means increased discussion of the Naruto series (such as we are doing now), which means more poeple invested in seeing how the pairings turn in the end, which means more people following the manga to the very end, which means more $$$, he is quite intent on keeping the pairing wars going until the very end of the series, as is the logical thing to do.
This parallel scene of Naruto saving both Hinata and Sakura is the result of his intention to keep the pairing wars going, as he knows it will be discussed (again, such as we are doing right now).
Oh you might just end up regretting this, my son. Two can play at this.
I will admit that Sakura is like a Kushina Zetsu, but do you really think Kushina was refering to her bad traits? Moreover, Naruto is no where near like is father in terms of personality.
For the record, Naruto doesn’t think Hinata is weird. Second of all, the sole reason Kushina says find someone like your mother was because she assumed he’d turn out like his father, but he turned out like her, loud, hot headed and impatient. While Minato is humble, calm, level-headed, and quite. So who does this sound like to you? Hyuuga Hinata.
NaruSaku doesn’t parralel MinaKushi for this one reason:
MinaKushi:Quite/Loud
NaruSaku:Loud/Loud
Therefore, if anything MinaKushi = NaruHina & SasuKarin/Saku
Now let’s compare NaruHina childhood to MinaKushi childhood.
Naruto/Kushina are hated by most of the students for being themselves, and they also boldly state to become Hokage. Naruto/Kushina, while they didn’t hate Hinata/Minato, they viewed them in a bad way, with Naruto thinking Hinata’s dark and Kushina thinking Minato’s a wimp. Naruto/Kushina didn’t pay much attention to Hinata/Minato, but they did watch them from afar. But Naruto/Kushina noticed them when they stepped in to protect them from harm.
MinaKushi also shows that you don’t need to spend every waking second with someone in order to love them, as shown in how Minato loved Kushina without knowing her well, and she returned his feelings. Same applies for NaruHina.
I like it, too but I feel sorry for Karin tbh. Esepcially when Sakura was triyng to heal her and she looked so broken (emotionally). I don't think she's bad at all.
trying to twist it and turn it to something else will not work, its clear as day, dunno why you guys even bother to write walls of text for NH when one panel trashes them all
try discussing real mysteries like how itachi got the legendary weapons
trying to twist it and turn it to something else will not work, its clear as day, dunno why you guys even bother to write walls of text for NH when one panel trashes them all
try discussing real mysteries like how itachi got the legendary weapons
I know, that's twice he broke girl's hearts who loved him despite how he treated them. Itachi would smack him upside the head if he knew how he was behaving. lol
trying to twist it and turn it to something else will not work, its clear as day, dunno why you guys even bother to write walls of text for NH when one panel trashes them all
try discussing real mysteries like how itachi got the legendary weapons
the only thing my posts are good for is to calm some people, so if a flame war is not present in here, then my posts aren't good enough to be here except for the first one.
the only thing my posts are good for is to calm some people, so if a flame war is not present in here, then my posts aren't good enough to be here except for the first one.
but its because i like SasuKarin. I used to like sasusaku but that was until Karin came along...
