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I think her admiration for Naruto is different than her love for Naruto. She wants to be with him, because she loves him, simple as that, but her love for him came after her admiration for him. She initially admired his ability to not give up and thus followed in his footsteps of only going forward, and through that admiration is where she eventually fell in love with him.

I still don't think that should stop her from being her own person though. That's the number 1 thing I want to see for Hinata because she could have such a cool backstory but she too busy thinking about frigging Naruto and not herself. :|

Also, I have a feeling most Hinata fans interpreted it the way Honred Sage did and not like you did. :(
 

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I still don't think that should stop her from being her own person though. That's the number 1 thing I want to see for Hinata because she could have such a cool backstory but she too busy thinking about frigging Naruto and not herself. :|

Also, I have a feeling most Hinata fans interpreted it the way Honred Sage did and not like you did. :(

I think she thinks of him when overcoming obstacles because he is what ultimately gave her the motivation to become what she is now in the first place. If it wasn't for him, she would still be the same character she used to be and always give up.

I don't really know how the Hinata fans interpret it nor do I really care, it's their opinion and this is mine.
 

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This isn't a romantic type of manga. Naruto won't end up with anyone.
Kishimoto is just trying to keep the pairing fans interested. Since he will definitely lose a good portion of his fans when he confirms a certain pairing, he will just keep on teasing the pairing fans.
Why people don't get it yet is something beyond me.
 

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It would be cool to see Kushina fight but I don't think she'll get Edo'd for the sole purpose of Kishi redacting what he said 2 chapters ago.

At the rate the manga is going i expect anything and everything.
 

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I think she thinks of him when overcoming obstacles because he is what ultimately gave her the motivation to become what she is now in the first place. If it wasn't for him, she would still be the same character she used to be and always give up.

I don't really know how the Hinata fans interpret it nor do I really care, it's their opinion and this is mine.

DJKS made Mistraal think Kishi isn't sexist for a moment!

I'd just like to point out that Hyuga Hinata has much more background than Hurano Sakura. We know much more of what made Hinata the repressed, dependent on a strong male, character that you see her to be. Shoot, even her little sister beats her up and steals her daddy's appreciation. I think that it's BECAUSE of this repression that her actions (pain arc, slapping naruto) speak louder than Sakura's (whose upbringing we know less about, other than she was the only one in team 7 without parental issues (Sasuke found her ignorance and lack of empathy unattractive at the time)).

Hinata dealt with a serious inferiority complex having been (literally) beaten up by her cousin, sister and situation in life (though not explicitly stated, Mr. Hyuga wishes Hinata had been born male(even if this isn't the case, she has daddy issues)). She was moved by Naruto's audacity to push his limits in the Chunin exam. And has used this as her motivation since.

As an aside, I think Sakura's parents made an appearance in the anime.
 

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That isn't love. That's being a fangirl/obsessed with a person.

I really want to like and respect Hinata as a character. I can't because she is not capable of accomplishing ANYTHING on her own because she has to think of "Naruto's big hand". That's not love. That's pathetic. Any growth she has shown in the entirety of the series is on the back of another character and not herself.

I don't get how there is all this hatred for Sakura yet Hinata is standing here as the utter embodiment of a weak, cliche female and people dig it. I cringe anytime I read anything she says because her mindset is so narrow and shallow.

Can you imagine if Sakura acted about Sasuke the way Hinata acted about Naruto? You guys would never stop bashing her.

You being very hypocritical. :/

I completely agree with you. But I think the majority of the readers here must be teenagers who envision the ideal woman as shy, submissive, fully centered around her (male) partner, sexy big breasts, and preferably a good cook... Sakura is anything but, so they dislike her... :)

Unfortunately I agree that at this point NH is more likely - sigh...
 

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I completely agree with you. But I think the majority of the readers here must be teenagers who envision the ideal woman as shy, submissive, fully centered around her (male) partner, sexy big breasts, and preferably a good cook... Sakura is anything but, so they dislike her... :)

Unfortunately I agree that at this point NH is more likely - sigh...

Very astute observation that the majority of American readers to a Japanese children's show are teenagers. :hint:

1st bold: I don't think it has been stated that Hinata is a good cook, but why would good cooking be a bad thing for teenagers envisioning the ideal woman? What makes you the authority on what will make them happy in finding a mate in life? Because you're a proud, opinionated woman who can't relate to Hinata?

As a man that cooks better than his wife I say go for it kids... You decide the criteria for what will make you happy in life and don't let feminists, womanizers, or romantic comedies tell you what it is you want. p.s. My wife hates Sakura.

2nd bold: I don't like to bash on Sakura. Women age 18-30 who like to identify with Sakura is a different story. I think that the idea of a Hinata makes alot of females uncomfortable. Women can't be chesty home-makers AND assertive in the domestic sphere? She was only shy around Naruto. Was her b*tch slap to remove Naruto's depression an act of shyness/ submission?

Hopefully I gave my opinion clearly and wore my bias on my sleeve. Identifying with Sakura don't make you a bad person. Attacking other female archetypes because of your [ethnocentric] insecurities does.

:dafq:
Have a nice day!
 

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1st bold: I don't think it has been stated that Hinata is a good cook, but why would good cooking be a bad thing for teenagers envisioning the ideal woman?
It was suggested she was a good cook in one of the fillers, though I don't remember which. Sakura is known to be a bad cook (her food pills taste awful). Absolutely nothing wrong with viewing good cooking positively - I just think that picking a mate because they cook well is a poor choice. Pick a mate because you are happy with them, then learn to cook well together - far better...

What makes you the authority on what will make them happy in finding a mate in life? Because you're a proud, opinionated woman who can't relate to Hinata?
I am no authority on that. I actually think that being an assertive, strong and opinionated woman is an impediment to finding a mate, since so many males prefer the other type - good for them but I prefer myself as I am, even if it makes me less attractive... :), but Hinata makes me uncomfortable, because she completely wipes her personality out, and is a repressed and obsessed. To give one example - has she ever displayed anger in the entire story? Do you think that a person who never shows anger or lets themselves feel it - is well adjusted and normal? If she were a real person, she would need years of therapy...

As a man that cooks better than his wife I say go for it kids... You decide the criteria for what will make you happy in life and don't let feminists, womanizers, or romantic comedies tell you what it is you want. p.s. My wife hates Sakura.
I agree that kids should go with who makes them happy. But I think your bias shows by listing feminists (those who believe in equal rights for women and men) together with womanizers (those who try to manipulate vulnerable women for their own ends). 'Nuff said.

Women can't be chesty home-makers AND assertive in the domestic sphere? She was only shy around Naruto. Was her b*tch slap to remove Naruto's depression an act of shyness/ submission?

The only three times I actually liked Hinata were during her fight with Neji, her pep talk to Naruto before his fight with Neji, and her slap to him. Anywhere else she was totally useless (yes, that includes the Pain suicidal idiocy).
On the home maker - I thought her goal was to be a Ninja - assertive, resourceful fighter - not a homewife....

Hopefully I gave my opinion clearly and wore my bias on my sleeve. Identifying with Sakura don't make you a bad person.
Oh thank you daddy!

Attacking other female archetypes because of your [ethnocentric] insecurities does.

Let me throw that sexist statement straight back at you!
And have a nice day too... :)
 

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Very astute observation that the majority of American readers to a Japanese children's show are teenagers. :hint:

1st bold: I don't think it has been stated that Hinata is a good cook, but why would good cooking be a bad thing for teenagers envisioning the ideal woman? What makes you the authority on what will make them happy in finding a mate in life? Because you're a proud, opinionated woman who can't relate to Hinata?

As a man that cooks better than his wife I say go for it kids... You decide the criteria for what will make you happy in life and don't let feminists, womanizers, or romantic comedies tell you what it is you want. p.s. My wife hates Sakura.

2nd bold: I don't like to bash on Sakura. Women age 18-30 who like to identify with Sakura is a different story. I think that the idea of a Hinata makes alot of females uncomfortable. Women can't be chesty home-makers AND assertive in the domestic sphere? She was only shy around Naruto. Was her b*tch slap to remove Naruto's depression an act of shyness/ submission?

Hopefully I gave my opinion clearly and wore my bias on my sleeve. Identifying with Sakura don't make you a bad person. Attacking other female archetypes because of your [ethnocentric] insecurities does.

:dafq:
Have a nice day!

I'll let this one slide. :headband:
 

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Question: does this apply for character analysis that is not pairing related? I stated opinion on a personality, not which pairing they should be in...
 

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Question: does this apply for character analysis that is not pairing related? I stated opinion on a personality, not which pairing they should be in...

No, Just Pairings. Anything Pairing Related. :headband:
 

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Very astute observation that the majority of American readers to a Japanese children's show are teenagers. :hint:

1st bold: I don't think it has been stated that Hinata is a good cook, but why would good cooking be a bad thing for teenagers envisioning the ideal woman? What makes you the authority on what will make them happy in finding a mate in life? Because you're a proud, opinionated woman who can't relate to Hinata?

As a man that cooks better than his wife I say go for it kids... You decide the criteria for what will make you happy in life and don't let feminists, womanizers, or romantic comedies tell you what it is you want. p.s. My wife hates Sakura.

2nd bold: I don't like to bash on Sakura. Women age 18-30 who like to identify with Sakura is a different story. I think that the idea of a Hinata makes alot of females uncomfortable. Women can't be chesty home-makers AND assertive in the domestic sphere? She was only shy around Naruto. Was her b*tch slap to remove Naruto's depression an act of shyness/ submission?

Hopefully I gave my opinion clearly and wore my bias on my sleeve. Identifying with Sakura don't make you a bad person. Attacking other female archetypes because of your [ethnocentric] insecurities does.

:dafq:
Have a nice day!

As a female, my issue with Hinata is that she seems utterly incapable of accomplishing anything FOR herself or BY herself without Naruto's emotional/mental support. It's beyond misogynistic it's just...no character should be portrayed that pathetically.

Due to this I find her utterly unlikeable. I don't hate her, I just don't like the reason she exists. That reason is to be pairing fodder. She has absolutely NO other purpose in the manga which is really sad because she has the potential to have an amazing backstory.

Right now, we see Sakura really growing in strength and becoming her own person, meanwhile, in the back of the pack, here's Hinata just now 64-palming 1 juubi fodder and that's only because she was thinking about Naruto. :what: Hinata will never be as strong as the Neo-Sannin but that doesn't mean the only things she can accomplish have to be based off of her crush on Naruto. Come ON Kishi...:eww:

See what I'm getting at here? I think this is why we see so many of the positive reviews of Hinata tend to be shallow (I.E. "prettier" & "boobs") while the positive ones of Sakura tend to be someone writing a book in an attempt to defend her.
 

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NaruHina fans are way more delusional than Minato and Itachi fans combined.
 

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It was suggested she was a good cook in one of the fillers, though I don't remember which. Sakura is known to be a bad cook (her food pills taste awful). Absolutely nothing wrong with viewing good cooking positively - I just think that picking a mate because they cook well is a poor choice. Pick a mate because you are happy with them, then learn to cook well together - far better...


I am no authority on that. I actually think that being an assertive, strong and opinionated woman is an impediment to finding a mate, since so many males prefer the other type - good for them but I prefer myself as I am, even if it makes me less attractive... :), but Hinata makes me uncomfortable, because she completely wipes her personality out, and is a repressed and obsessed. To give one example - has she ever displayed anger in the entire story? Do you think that a person who never shows anger or lets themselves feel it - is well adjusted and normal? If she were a real person, she would need years of therapy...


I agree that kids should go with who makes them happy. But I think your bias shows by listing feminists (those who believe in equal rights for women and men) together with womanizers (those who try to manipulate vulnerable women for their own ends). 'Nuff said.



The only three times I actually liked Hinata were during her fight with Neji, her pep talk to Naruto before his fight with Neji, and her slap to him. Anywhere else she was totally useless (yes, that includes the Pain suicidal idiocy).
On the home maker - I thought her goal was to be a Ninja - assertive, resourceful fighter - not a homewife....


Oh thank you daddy!



Let me throw that sexist statement straight back at you!
And have a nice day too... :)

Sorry Naruto1217, but this turned more into an comment on saltal's identifying with Sakura, which she defended quite deftly so I'd like to respond. Sorry if this is considered E-Thugging.

Firstly, thanks for the reminder about the good cook/ bad cook opposition. I forgot about those food pills ^_^

1st Bold: I did not see it that way, but appreciate the perspective. I thought that the assertive type usually gets the guy. Some guys are clueless (I speak from experience) and won't know unless you make your intentions clear.

2nd Bold: I can understand how the repression of righteous anger would be severely dysfunctional. If that's the case then Hinata would have more emotional baggage than she lets on. Perhaps the optimist in me wanted to see her more as not giving a sh*t towards what might make her angry (Nothin' to a pimp). Because really, there are few things in this life worth getting so worked up over that we can't sit together, smoke a J (short for Jaraiya), and come to a peaceful understanding. This being in contrast to Sasuke's get angry first ask questions last approach. Between the two anger issues who would need more therapy?

As far as lumping feminists and womanizers together: I sort of see these two as opposite sides of the same coin. It was more of a comment on not letting the extremes of disrespecting/ exploiting women, and treating them as if they're god's gift to creation, influence younglings' decisions. Same as romantic comedies, which I feel give kids serious misrepresentations of what long term relationships are about and how girls should act/ what qualities are actually desirable in a mate. My wife is my best friend first, a woman second.

Feminism to me is too often Femi Nazi-ism and from a lot of women I just get this feeling of self-righteousness (it annoys me equally in guys), but then it hasn't been in my personal experience to see preferential treatment toward men in the workplace or at home.

Here I would like to point out that, again being that this is a Japanese manga, certain aspects of Asiatic cultures may favor men. Feminist movements in regions of the world (other than America and the Internet) may be totally warranted, I'm not there and do not know. Below is an example I want to share to help explain my bias and outlook.


As a female, my issue with Hinata is that she seems utterly incapable of accomplishing anything FOR herself or BY herself without Naruto's emotional/mental support. It's beyond misogynistic it's just...no character should be portrayed that pathetically.

Due to this I find her utterly unlikeable. I don't hate her, I just don't like the reason she exists. That reason is to be pairing fodder. She has absolutely NO other purpose in the manga which is really sad because she has the potential to have an amazing backstory.

Right now, we see Sakura really growing in strength and becoming her own person, meanwhile, in the back of the pack, here's Hinata just now 64-palming 1 juubi fodder and that's only because she was thinking about Naruto. :what: Hinata will never be as strong as the Neo-Sannin but that doesn't mean the only things she can accomplish have to be based off of her crush on Naruto. Come ON Kishi...:eww:

See what I'm getting at here? I think this is why we see so many of the positive reviews of Hinata tend to be shallow (I.E. "prettier" & "boobs") while the positive ones of Sakura tend to be someone writing a book in an attempt to defend her.

Prepare for Wall-o Text:
I had a friend in elementary school of South East Asian origin. She was one of many of my friends whose parents were F.O.B. (fresh off the boat). I am one quarter chinese, the rest white, and grew up in an ethnically diverse area of Los Angeles. This girl was like a sister to me (I already have two real sisters 9 and 12 years older than myself) and she was "into" one of my best friends I had known since we were 6. By the 8th grade (13, around the age of Naruto part I?) the two were dating, and I had the very awkward position of being a third wheel friend. I'm not exactly sure how it became an issue, but her father discovered the relationship and basically laid the beat down.

It was then that I found out many Asian households have a stick DESIGNATED to beating their kids (don't worry her brother got some too) if they act up. I am only one-quarter Chinese, and my father is somewhat white-washed, so this came as a shock to me. Now, I don't want this to be taken the wrong way and for people to say that ALL asian households have such a stick, or switch, but this household did. That isn't to say parents of other cultures won't just hit their kids with whatever is available, but having a stick for the sole purpose of discipline puts me at a loss for words. To my knowledge it only happened a few times, like when her relationship was discovered (or when she got an A minus on a test... jk that would never happen), but more than once is enough to some people. My parents preferred verbal abuse.

The two forbidden lovers snuck around holding hands and whatnot through high school. Eventually the two broke up. In her fathers eyes maybe it was a good thing he was such a sh*t head: She got into UC Berkeley and the boy fell out of the picture as college progressed. If they broke up because she was "not well adjusted" I do not know. Possibly, probably, but who are we to judge? I brought up this story to talk about life-ways other than the typical American forum-goer is accustomed to hearing. The manga you are reading comes from a culture that is not 100% like our own. Not saying all Asian kids get beat on the regular, but it exists in some places. Maybe Kishi can inspire those girls to gain greater autonomy too?

Hinata, to me, represents this type of repression. The repression of not being allowed or having the courage to express herself, then overcoming the limits set on her by her father, her circumstance, herself. The fact that she uses Naruto (her crush) or Neiji (her older brother type) as her inspiration is not for you to judge. Don't understimate Neiji's influence either: in many Asian cultures girls will become attached to older guys in a purely platonic/ brotherly way. Such relationships are important to those people. Most likely more meaningful to her than her relation ship with her father, who gets his jollies off of watching her younger sister kick Hinatas @$$ in sparring practice. People use the bonds they've made to motivate themselves (sound familiar?). Besides that, what "support" does Naruto actually give her? He really does ignore her/ not know she exists (which could be innocent, I've been oblivious to females advances in the past) and she pushes herself through her own inner dialogue much like Sakura. The last time Naruto gave Hinata support was in the Chunin exams. So can the NH and the NS all get along?

We don't always know what's going on at home (in Hinata's case we do), so give people the benefit of the doubt? Tried to leave Hinata's boobs out of the equation...

Again, I do not condone the beating of anyone, familial or otherwise, to get your way. Even though that's what ninjas do...
:hint:
 

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If you two can't tell I'm trying to Talk-No-Jutsu you into accepting Hinata on a personal level.
:hinata: <3 :sakura:
 

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This thread went wayyyy off into a tangent...
First it was defending NaruHina, now it's just turning into some philosophical fist fight over character design.
Chill, go eat some cheesecake.
 
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If you two can't tell I'm trying to Talk-No-Jutsu you into accepting Hinata on a personal level.
:hinata: <3 :sakura:

Not going to quote your bigger post for obvious reasons, but a huge kudo to you for it. A lot of people don't realize how Asian cultures encourage physical disciplinary methods to "keep the kids in line", if you will, but yeah... my Japanese grandmother had a wooden spoon she'd use on me when I acted out. And only that specific one!

I can commend Hinata's character for growing out of her own shadow from before, even though it used Naruto as motivation, but at this point... Naruto hasn't so much as acknowledged her feelings and she even heard him say (and didn't react to) him telling his dad that Sakura was "more or less" his girlfriend. The fact that she is STILL using those feelings for Naruto to push herself forward, rather than just the tutelage Neji gave her and her own inner strength, makes her seem like a weak and male-dependent character.... and due to that, the inherent "submissive women" stereotype of Asian cultures is perpetuated in her. She was designed according to the Japanese "ideal woman" type, and unfortunately seems that she is not going to grow out of that as a character.

Interestingly enough, I find it strange that while she follows that stereotype and is generally considered more physically attractive than Sakura, it is Sakura that is usually pointed out as having a "great beauty". Just a sidenote.

Clearly, Hinata and Sakura don't hate each other or have any sort of rivalry over Naruto, and sure as heck not the same kind of rivalry Sakura had with Ino over Sasuke. I wouldn't have an issue with the NH shippers if the vast majority of them didn't see us NS shippers as idiotic because of our pairing.
 
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