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So my friend sent me a pic a couple months ago about the power of the Juubi. Until now, I've kinda just been putting it off, but tonight seems like as good a time as any to press the issue. So with that being said, I'll go ahead and outline this thread.
Just as a heads up, it will be about my interpretation of the power of the highest tier Nardo characters. I'm not creating this as an outline for a debating standard or anything (so DO NOT try to use this as concrete evidence in debates), I would just like to compile the bit of info I have on the subject, and share it with you guys.
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Since it was the Juubi that created the new realm of power in the Nardo verse, it is the Juubi that I will start with. Coincidentally, the scan my friend shared with me (the official Viz translation, for those who care) also involves the Juubi. It is
But small-planet Juubi? That doesn't sound right, does it? Nah, it couldn't. That would be ridiculous. We saw the Juubi's attacks, and they were only roughly around country level. Right?
Well, this was more-or-less my thought on the topic as well. But there's a slight flaw in that logic - they were not speaking on the power of any of Juubi's attacks, but on the power of Juubi itself. This is a key point to be noted.
As we all know, the Naruto verse runs on chakra. It is pretty cut and dry. A shinobi has a given amount of chakra. When they use a jutsu (barring taijutsu),
But so what, though, right? Who cares how much chakra a character has, if they can only expel a small portion at a time?
Well, that is another point that should be brought up. As we've seen multiple times in the series (like
One very notable instance of this would be
Now just in case that last part was missed, I will reiterate - Hagoromo and Hamura were able to create the moon BEFORE Hagoromo ever had any Bijuu/Juubi chakra. And the second time, Hagoromo was able to create the moon AFTER he no longer had the Bijuu/Juubi chakra fueling him. In other words, their non-enhanced forms could produce moon level jutsu. This perfectly coincides with Juubi's "small planet" level hype. And as per with Kaguya (who was noted to have
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So with all that being said, it touches up a bit on the quantity of power within these characters, and even less on the quantity of power that they can expel (though it does set the foundations for the idea).
The thing to remember about what we saw from the Juubi was that it was evolving throughout its screen time. This was mentioned as shown MANY times throughout the manga. When the Kyubi was first created, Obito and Madara reserved its powers so that it could build up for its evolution [
Now obviously, as the Juubi evolved and upgraded, so did the attacks it could use - hence why it was able to form Bijudamas like
This scan tells us that Obito, as the Juubi Jinchuuriki, did NOT become stronger than the Juubi. Instead, he just managed to further focus the power that Juubi already had, and better harness it. The difference in honed power is quite clear - unfocused Juubi could not destroy the Hokage Barrier with a charged-up Bijudama, whereas Juubito was able to to completely tear down the barrier with just some chakra appendages. Juubito also showed that he could harness and charge up more chakra than the Juubi as well [
So essentially, the Juubi Jinchuuriki are able to dip into that vast "small planet" level pool of power better than the Juubi itself can. They can use the power itself better, and draw out even more of that power. This is why Juubi would only be like large island level, but Juubito/Rikuubito (with the exact same amount of power) would be country+ level.
Of course, the real cap for this is with Naruto and Sasuke. I'll just outline the important scans now [
So if Juubi (second form, not third form, nor final form) was small planet level, then Sasuke and Naruto expelled a similar (if not superior) level of power at each other in that final exchange.
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Kaguya (full chakra) could create an attack that could destroy her dimension, which housed a planet/moon. Her chakra consisted of planet level (which would be represented by Juubi), and moon level (represented by Hagoromo/Hamura, who created a moon prior to becoming Juubi host)
Just as a heads up, it will be about my interpretation of the power of the highest tier Nardo characters. I'm not creating this as an outline for a debating standard or anything (so DO NOT try to use this as concrete evidence in debates), I would just like to compile the bit of info I have on the subject, and share it with you guys.
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Since it was the Juubi that created the new realm of power in the Nardo verse, it is the Juubi that I will start with. Coincidentally, the scan my friend shared with me (the official Viz translation, for those who care) also involves the Juubi. It is
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exact scan. The part of this scan that warrants the most attention is the part where the quantity of Juubi's power is compared to a small planet.But small-planet Juubi? That doesn't sound right, does it? Nah, it couldn't. That would be ridiculous. We saw the Juubi's attacks, and they were only roughly around country level. Right?
Well, this was more-or-less my thought on the topic as well. But there's a slight flaw in that logic - they were not speaking on the power of any of Juubi's attacks, but on the power of Juubi itself. This is a key point to be noted.
As we all know, the Naruto verse runs on chakra. It is pretty cut and dry. A shinobi has a given amount of chakra. When they use a jutsu (barring taijutsu),
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. This is very simple, but also very important to keep in mind - the chakra that a character expels in an attack does not reflect the sum of their chakra, but it does reflect a portion of their chakra.But so what, though, right? Who cares how much chakra a character has, if they can only expel a small portion at a time?
Well, that is another point that should be brought up. As we've seen multiple times in the series (like
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,
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, and
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), a technique can be charged with chakra beyond its standard level. This can increase the size, range, and power of a technique.One very notable instance of this would be
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. Funny enough, it was mentioned twice [
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][
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] that the size could be altered by increasing the chakra put into it - this was even mentioned in the databook entry as well [
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]. The thought on chakra levels of this quality are further reinforced by Chibaku Tensei as well - especially since we have two instances of Moon Level CT, both by characters who didn't even have Juubi powers at the time. The first instance was by Hagoromo and Hamura [
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], and the second was by Naruto and Sasuke [
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] - thought it should be mentioned that Nardo and Sauce got the chakra for that directly from weaker Hagoromo himself [
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].Now just in case that last part was missed, I will reiterate - Hagoromo and Hamura were able to create the moon BEFORE Hagoromo ever had any Bijuu/Juubi chakra. And the second time, Hagoromo was able to create the moon AFTER he no longer had the Bijuu/Juubi chakra fueling him. In other words, their non-enhanced forms could produce moon level jutsu. This perfectly coincides with Juubi's "small planet" level hype. And as per with Kaguya (who was noted to have
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), this also coincides with her planet level status [
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So with all that being said, it touches up a bit on the quantity of power within these characters, and even less on the quantity of power that they can expel (though it does set the foundations for the idea).
The thing to remember about what we saw from the Juubi was that it was evolving throughout its screen time. This was mentioned as shown MANY times throughout the manga. When the Kyubi was first created, Obito and Madara reserved its powers so that it could build up for its evolution [
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]. We can to realize that later on [
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]. And of course, Juubi continued to accumulate chakra for its further evolutions [like
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]. At a point, it didn't just cause a transformation, but even boosted the form that Juubi was in [
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]. It was right after that [
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] that we saw Juubi's final combat-efficient form.Now obviously, as the Juubi evolved and upgraded, so did the attacks it could use - hence why it was able to form Bijudamas like
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in that final form. But even with those showings, I still don't think this is enough to really drive the point home. Besides, Kishi went through several liberties to make sure we understood that the full potential of Juubi's power wasn't being released - specifically, Kishi wrote in
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very important page.This scan tells us that Obito, as the Juubi Jinchuuriki, did NOT become stronger than the Juubi. Instead, he just managed to further focus the power that Juubi already had, and better harness it. The difference in honed power is quite clear - unfocused Juubi could not destroy the Hokage Barrier with a charged-up Bijudama, whereas Juubito was able to to completely tear down the barrier with just some chakra appendages. Juubito also showed that he could harness and charge up more chakra than the Juubi as well [
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].So essentially, the Juubi Jinchuuriki are able to dip into that vast "small planet" level pool of power better than the Juubi itself can. They can use the power itself better, and draw out even more of that power. This is why Juubi would only be like large island level, but Juubito/Rikuubito (with the exact same amount of power) would be country+ level.
Of course, the real cap for this is with Naruto and Sasuke. I'll just outline the important scans now [
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,
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,
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,
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and
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]. What was special about this was that Nardo and Sasuke both got huge Juubi-level buffs (Sasuke's literally was Juubi chakra), and then immediately expelled all of that power into their attacks. In other words, the concentration of power that went into those attacks went beyond anything we saw from Obito or Madara, and were comparable to Kaguya (who channeled all her excess chakra into the TSB that would've destroyed the planet).So if Juubi (second form, not third form, nor final form) was small planet level, then Sasuke and Naruto expelled a similar (if not superior) level of power at each other in that final exchange.
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= Juubito*
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= RikuubitoKaguya (full chakra) could create an attack that could destroy her dimension, which housed a planet/moon. Her chakra consisted of planet level (which would be represented by Juubi), and moon level (represented by Hagoromo/Hamura, who created a moon prior to becoming Juubi host)
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