Nagato was meant to be more haxxed than Hashi and Madara.

[The Unknown]

This my friend. Tell me who was stronger than Nagato in his era?

Tell me how Hanzo was losing his touch? Nagato owned him so bad he quit being a shinobi all together.

Yahiko died and Nagato did it himself gtfo. Mastering 5 elements at the age of 10 is something that never happened. Don't try to downplay it. It's one the reasons he is meant to be haxxed. Tobi lead in the shadows. The Akatsuki answered to Pein.



Lmao. Thanks I will try though. :scrops:

Minato was stronger than Nagato, along with Jiraiya and probably Orochimaru. Nagato clearly states that had Jiraiya known of his abilites, there was no way he would have won.

And Hanzo definitely lost his touch due to his paranoia (look it up on Narutowiki).

And finally, using the five elements is something you're supposed to be able to do with the Rinnegan. That's like saying Sasuke learning Great Fireball is amazing (he's fire affiliated by birth).

 

[ItachiSan03]

That wasn't really my point. If your goal is something that has already been done, you automatically fall in the "less than" category. And if you fail at that...I don't even.

Beating a tb is the same whether 10 years ago or 20 years later.
AND AGAIN, a>b>c logic DOES NOT WORK IN NARUTO. If you read my post, i said that just because madara and hashirama could control kyuubi (because their powers are geared toward tb control) does not mean that madara and hashi > nagato.

 

[ShishaMastah420]

Lol Nagato's feats are the direct result of him having the Rinnegan, however he got it, who knows. Also he was tobi's pet; he is a great Ninja but not the same caliber of Ninja like Mada and Hashi

Hashi and Madara's feats are directly their own, they Accomplished those feats.

 

[Legendary Broly]

hashirama>nagato
edo madara>nagato
ems madara>nagato
rinnegan tobi>nagato
BM naruto>nagato

it goes more like this .. U_U
edo madara>nagato
nagato>ems madara
nagato=rinnegan tobi
nagato>bm naruto
as of right now from what we've seen

and to dantee i agree with your thread rep+

 

[Icelerate]

I agree Nagato was stronger than them individually if healthy and prime.

 

[ShishaMastah420]

How is Nagatos abilities not haxxed?



No it's Nagato> Hasi, Nagato > Madara.

Edo Madara = Nagato,Madara Hashirama.

Nagatos abilities were sensory, the rest, the hax stuff that was the Rinnegan, and the story behind how he unlocked those eyes is pretty suspicious, so it can't be said for a fact right now that those are his abilities. Mada was hax without the Rinnegan and now he has it...Hashi defeated HaxMada...

 

[ItachiSan03]

Minato was stronger than Nagato, along with Jiraiya and probably Orochimaru. Nagato clearly states that had Jiraiya known of his abilites, there was no way he would have won.

And Hanzo definitely lost his touch due to his paranoia (look it up on Narutowiki).

And finally, using the five elements is something you're supposed to be able to do with the Rinnegan. That's like saying Sasuke learning Great Fireball is amazing (he's fire affiliated by birth).

Minato was stronger than nagato? Orochimaru was stronger than nagato and nagato would have lost vs jiraiya if he knew his secret? :sy:
First off im not going to even argue the minato and orochimaru thing... Nothing i say will get it through to you if you believe that...
Nagato said "might have won" not "he would have beat me". And he said "i can give you no higher praise than that". He was just paying respects to his sensei.

Lol Nagato's feats are the direct result of him having the Rinnegan, however he got it, who knows. Also he was tobi's pet; he is a great Ninja but not the same caliber of Ninja like Mada and Hashi

Hashi and Madara's feats are directly their own, they Accomplished those feats.

Given the rinnegan ir not, keikkei genkai or not, power is power, no matter how you obtained it.
Hashiramas power came from mokuton (kekkei genkai) and madaras came from sharingan (kekkei genkai) so their powers were given to them too.

 

[Dantee]

Minato was stronger than Nagato, along with Jiraiya and probably Orochimaru. Nagato clearly states that had Jiraiya known of his abilites, there was no way he would have won.

And Hanzo definitely lost his touch due to his paranoia (look it up on Narutowiki).

And finally, using the five elements is something you're supposed to be able to do with the Rinnegan. That's like saying Sasuke learning Great Fireball is amazing (he's fire affiliated by birth).

Minato, Jiraya and Oro > Nagato? :sy: You already lost my intrest. Next

then why is edo madara the trump card if he is weaker than nagato? edo madara admitted inferiority to hashirama so:

hashirama>edo madara>nagato

ems madara>BM naruto>nagato

Edo Madara is obviously greater than nagato. He is the combination of EMS, Rinnegan and Mokoton. Hashi isn't beating Edo Madara in a thousand years. I already know the scan you're going to post. He is only answering a question in regards to Perfect Susanoo.

Nagatos abilities were sensory, the rest, the hax stuff that was the Rinnegan, and the story behind how he unlocked those eyes is pretty suspicious, so it can't be said for a fact right now that those are his abilities. Mada was hax without the Rinnegan and now he has it...Hashi defeated HaxMada...

I know the Rinnegan was given to him by Tobi. Madara unlocked before his death. Even if Nagato was given the rinnegan. They are his abilities he inherited so he is infact haxxed.

When in the manga did it say Hashi defeated Rinnegan/Edo Madara?

 

[WillToWin]

I just don't know why people have this obsession with Nagato being stronger than Madara and Hashirama.

 

[Ryuu..]

A healthy Nagato clearly beats both (seperately of course and EMS Madara only).

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[Icelerate]

then why is edo madara the trump card if he is weaker than nagato? edo madara admitted inferiority to hashirama so:

hashirama>edo madara>nagato

ems madara>BM naruto>nagato

Saying Hashirama is greater than Edo Madara because Edo Madara said so is stuipid. In that case Hiruzen>Hashirama>Edo Madara because Iruka, Orochimaru and Kabuto said so.

 

[TheSages456]

it goes more like this .. U_U
edo madara>nagato
nagato>ems madara
nagato=rinnegan tobi
nagato>bm naruto
as of right now from what we've seen

and to dantee i agree with your thread rep+

edo madara>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>nagato

rinnegan tobi>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>nagato

both tobi and madara have every ability nagato has in addition to sharingan abilities.

ems madara is still too haxx for nagato. a casual sword swing from his susano is a multi-mountain buster.

BM naruto>nagato

 

[Sn0rkack]

Beating a tb is the same whether 10 years ago or 20 years later.
AND AGAIN, a>b>c logic DOES NOT WORK IN NARUTO. If you read my post, i said that just because madara and hashirama could control kyuubi (because their powers are geared toward tb control) does not mean that madara and hashi > nagato.

Ugh...How do I say it? He's more of a puppet than Sasori was! I mean shit...you mope around for a decade only to lose a fight and break your resolve? Hashi was good, Madara was bad and Nagato was just plain confused. Not only was he crippled and forced to fight behind his friends body, but he hid behind a ridiculous alias and had the balls to think of himself as a god.

Thats why I just can't view Nagato as one of the best. He destroys a village only to revive them; he spends years capturing the bijuu just to give up after he gets a few bruises from the biggest jinchuuriki on the yard.

 

[Hipster Madara]

he's up there but he is still weaker than them.
Plus, the current manga is about Madara and Hashirama,so obviously everyone will talk about them (common sense). On top of the fact that Nagato will never get screentime without it being a flashback of either his childhood or something we already saw. Meanwhile, Madara and Hashirama have so much about them that hasn't been shown and they can still show more techniques and such. Their just beginning to show their true colors as characters.
Obviously people will be more interested in them. It's ok to like Nagato and respect what he did, but it's time to let go of the days where every thread was about him because they aren't ever coming back. U_U

 

[gazmatic]

Yeah, but in the end he was defeated by a book and a few kind words.

not really. He sacrificed himself to revive a village that he destroyed while being low on chakra. What he should have done is let naruto shoot a huge asse rasengan at him, he absorbs it, regenerate some chakra and then revive konoha. A useless sacrifice really

 

[TobisPawn]

hashirama<nagato
edo madara>nagato
ems madara<nagato
rinnegan tobi>nagato
BM naruto< or = nagato

Fixed.

 

[Οdin]

Saying Hashirama is greater than Edo Madara because Edo Madara said so is stuipid. In that case Hiruzen>Hashirama>Edo Madara because Iruka, Orochimaru and Kabuto said so.

Saying otherwise is stupid. He stated that Hashirama can still defeat him. Deal with it. U_U

 

[TheSages456]

Saying Hashirama is greater than Edo Madara because Edo Madara said so is stuipid. In that case Hiruzen>Hashirama>Edo Madara because Iruka, Orochimaru and Kabuto said so.

actually only iruka said that hiruzen was called the strongest hokage. hashiramas strength was a myth which meant that people didnt believe in his strength. madara actually fought the real hashirama and said that even in his current edo form hashirama can still beat him.

 

[Hipster Madara]

Fixed.

i highly doubt nagato is stronger than hashirama.
As for EMS madara, we need to see more of him but Nagato is stronger as of now.

 

[TobisPawn]

i highly doubt nagato is stronger than hashirama.
As for EMS madara, we need to see more of him but Nagato is stronger as of now.

Hashirama has no known counter to every Rinnegan tech in a stronger and mobile Nagato, let alone Gedo Mazo. Hashirama is not some sort of god that everyone puts him out to be.