Nagato vs Naruto

[ItachiDaSoloKing]

Naruto's 2 main techniques are rasengan and shadow clones.

Nagato's chakra absorbtion counters all Rasengans, Naruto was able to counter the Chakra absorbtion with Senjutsu. But that will not work against Nagato, whom can hold likely twice as much Senjutsu as Naruto considering Nagato is full blood Uzumaki while naruto is only half Uzumaki.

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Also Nagato's Rinnegan can not be tricked be Clones as displayed by Lord Madara. Not to mention Nagato is a sensory type, able to sense someone from almost any distance.

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Not to mention that Naruto will not be able to rely on the Biju, or Sage Mode because Nagato can absorb Naruto straight out of any Chakra Mode on contact. And making contact with Naruto is easy since he can use Universal Pull.

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I dont see how Naruto wins, if he cant use any chakra mode, rasengan, or clone.

 

[Reboryushon]

Talk no jutsu got this. Nagato was emotionally a mess, easy target to Narutism.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Hmm I don't see how nagato would be able to absorb more senjutsu than he did as pain, I see it being worse cause it would be his actual body, and I thought clone identification was one of madaras individual powers?

 

[Warlocks]

bsm>kcm>=nagato>sm

 

[ItachiDaSoloKing]

Hmm I don't see how nagato would be able to absorb more senjutsu than he did as pain, I see it being worse cause it would be his actual body, and I thought clone identification was one of madaras individual powers?

That Pain was only 1/7th Nagato's Power.

Not to mention, that wasn't Nagatos actual body, which can actually hold more Senjutsu chakra than Naruto. The Rinnegan can see clones, even Limbo.

 

[SZiaee]

bsm>kcm>=nagato>sm

Kcm Naruto + Bee <<<<<<< Nagato
God knows what would have happened if Itachi wasn't there to clean the mess .

 

[InfiniteMugen]

That Pain was only 1/7th Nagato's Power.

Not to mention, that wasn't Nagatos actual body, which can actually hold more Senjutsu chakra than Naruto. The Rinnegan can see clones, even Limbo.

How do you know it can hold senjutsu though? I see using the body as a better option as when he did absorb too much it was the body that turned to stone not nagato himself, technically all naruto has to do if he gets caught is try to gather NE. While I can't agree/disagree that nagato can hold more ne than naruto I'm pretty positive he's not as good at "controlling" it like naruto. Have we ever seen nagato using NE? I guess if he remembers the pain fight he would just avoid absorbing chakra while Naruto is in sage mode?

Edit: also I don't remember if it shows or not whether pain was able to distinguish the real naruto from his clones

 

[NextGenNinja]

Seems like you're implying nagato could beat RSM naruto... His rinnegan is strong but that's a little too much.

 

[ItachiDaSoloKing]

How do you know it can hold senjutsu though? I see using the body as a better option as when he did absorb too much it was the body that turned to stone not nagato himself, technically all naruto has to do if he gets caught is try to gather NE. While I can't agree/disagree that nagato can hold more ne than naruto I'm pretty positive he's not as good at "controlling" it like naruto. Have we ever seen nagato using NE? I guess if he remembers the pain fight he would just avoid absorbing chakra while Naruto is in sage mode?

Edit: also I don't remember if it shows or not whether pain was able to distinguish the real naruto from his clones

Doesn't matter if Nagato can control it. As long as Nagato has enough Chakra he won't turn into a frog. And since Nagato has more chakra than Naruto, Naruto can not output enough Senjutsu Chakra to effect Nagato.

Full Blood Uzumaki = More chakra than Half Blood.

 

[ItachiDaSoloKing]

Seems like you're implying nagato could beat RSM naruto... His rinnegan is strong but that's a little too much.

It seems that way since Naruto is stronger, but if you think Logically, based on Abilities, Nagato wins.

 

[NextGenNinja]

It seems that way since Naruto is stronger, but if you think Logically, based on Abilities, Nagato wins.

Itachi solos either or though.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Doesn't matter if Nagato can control it. As long as Nagato has enough Chakra he won't turn into a frog. And since Nagato has more chakra than Naruto, Naruto can not output enough Senjutsu Chakra to effect Nagato.

Full Blood Uzumaki = More chakra than Half Blood.

I can see what your saying here, but(and correct me if I'm wrong here) how much chakra you have doesn't dictate how much NE you can pull in? I'm not even saying naruto can win this(although in rsm he could always blitz with a number of clones to attempt to occupy nagatos paths with clones) although that's kind of iffy. I still see nagato taking this more often than not, I'm just not sure about the NE thing

 

[Umari Senju]

You have a few incorrect points.

Nagato is not a sensor per say. He used rain to do his sensing.

It doesn't matter how much nature energy Nagato can hold if he doesn't have any knowledge in mixing and balancing nature chakra properly with his own chakra he is going to be turned into stoned. Naruto can just keep funneling nature chakra into Nagato's body until he is at capacity. Nature chakra is unlimited. Nagato's capacity to hold chakra isn't.

True without Rasengan/Shadow clones etc, Naruto couldn't win. But why is that even mentioned? With out them then it's not Naruto now is it?

Rinnegan cannot detect the real Naruto from Shadow clones. Only the Byakugan can. Sharingan sees chakra color so all the clones look alike. Rinnegan has shared vision making it easier to keep track and attack the real Naruto when the paths are being used in Seperate bodies.

Other than that sure I can roll with this analysis

 

[rollin]

It doesn't matter how much chakra Nagato has if he can't balance his spiritual and physical energies properly with nature energy he'll turn into stone

 

[ItachiDaSoloKing]

I can see what your saying here, but(and correct me if I'm wrong here) how much chakra you have doesn't dictate how much NE you can pull in? I'm not even saying naruto can win this(although in rsm he could always blitz with a number of clones to attempt to occupy nagatos paths with clones) although that's kind of iffy. I still see nagato taking this more often than not, I'm just not sure about the NE thing

The amount of NE you can hold is based on the amount of chakra you have. Because Nagato is a full blood Uzumaki, he has more chakra and thus can hold NE than Naruto. According to Pa in Naruto's SM training.

 

[ItachiDaSoloKing]

It doesn't matter how much chakra Nagato has if he can't balance his spiritual and physical energies properly with nature energy he'll turn into stone

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[Jinrou]

Others have pointed it out. You at the very least have to train to be able to balance Senjutsu chakra with one's chakra.

Your point that Naruto won't be able to make him absorb greater than his base reserves can't be proven

By your logic also, do we assume Karin has greater chakra reserves than Naruto?

 

[ItachiDaSoloKing]

You have a few incorrect points.

Nagato is not a sensor per say. He used rain to do his sensing.

It doesn't matter how much nature energy Nagato can hold if he doesn't have any knowledge in mixing and balancing nature chakra properly with his own chakra he is going to be turned into stoned. Naruto can just keep funneling nature chakra into Nagato's body until he is at capacity. Nature chakra is unlimited. Nagato's capacity to hold chakra isn't.

True without Rasengan/Shadow clones etc, Naruto couldn't win. But why is that even mentioned? With out them then it's not Naruto now is it?

Rinnegan cannot detect the real Naruto from Shadow clones. Only the Byakugan can. Sharingan sees chakra color so all the clones look alike. Rinnegan has shared vision making it easier to keep track and attack the real Naruto when the paths are being used in Seperate bodies.

Other than that sure I can roll with this analysis

Since nagato has more chakra than naruto, even if Naruto dumped all of his Senjutsu chakra onto Nagato it wouldnt effect him. Although their is a limit, so depending on how fast naruto can absorb, and output Senjutsu chakra, Naruto could overflow Nagato. I wonder if he could do it before Nagato kills him though.

 

[Darkness Master]

This thread has so many flaws.

 

[Jokule67]

Nagato loses against BSM Naruto. Like utterly loses.