Nagato vs Minato (read description first)

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, and Chibaku Tensie can absorb mountains, so he has nowhere to teleport them.​
Actually he can throw farther than that, but he doesn't need to anyway. All what he needs to is to absorb the black sphere in the S/T barrier and throw the kunai in Nagato's direction so that he would be the one to take the hit. We've seen that during the transfer from the initial location to the destination(kunai), Minato was capable to do that [ ] [ ] [ ]
 

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Actually he can throw farther than that, but he doesn't need to anyway. All what he needs to is to absorb the black sphere in the S/T barrier and throw the kunai in Nagato's direction so that he would be the one to take the hit. We've seen that during the transfer from the initial location to the destination(kunai), Minato was capable to do that [ ] [ ] [ ]

Even if he managed to teleport it, Nagato can control his gravity himself through Deva path, so it won't effect him. The point is, Chibaku Tensie's AOE is massive and the bigger it gets, the distance gets closer to it's gravity radius. Minato will regardless, be absorbed.​
 

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Nagato's on another league to Six Paths of Pain. It doesn't seem as though he has any intervals between each Shinra Tensei/Bansho Ten'in [ ] and he can pinpoint his Shinra Tensei too [ ]. Nagato takes this mid-diff.
 

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Shinra Tensei restricts the whole Deva. When Choji threw a Kunai directly before Deva's feet, he couldn't use the ST. Minato would teleport to that Kunai to blitz him. In this case, Preta Path couldn't react as well. Minato could go in close combat and if Ashura Path catches him, he will mark him and teleport out. A marked Nagato is a dead Nagato, because he won't react to that blitz. Hiraishin with clones makes this even worser. Multiple opponents who can jump with Hiraishin and can teleport to each other due to being connected with Chakra. Two clones will attack Nagato, he will push them away, while the real Minato will teleport to him and blitz him within the interval. Minato can use Kagebunshin and has high Chakra reserves, as he could obtain Sage Mode. That enables him to use the Hokage level Jutsu Tajuu Kagebunshin no Jutsu.

Soul rip can't end Minato, as he immediately teleports away if Nagato only tries to touch him.

How does the kunai reach if the ST is being fired? Minato has to teleport away and then somehow bring a kunai right before Nagato''s feet? Anyways, alive Nagato's ST is on scale, Minato will be nowhere near this radius, and he will have to teleport away in order to prolong his inevitable loss. Implying Asura doesn't do anything about it. Anyways, if Nagato changes into his Asura path, he practically has a new body. The seal will no longer be present the same way it was no longer present when Obito received his new body. Preta path should be able to absorb it assuming it is made of chakra (nothing implies it isn't). Anyways, he is more than capable of realising Minato is over him with his linked vision. Bee reacted with no vision and put his sword out. All Nagato has to do is notice through linked vision/sensing and use his Asura body to create new arms/strengthen his body with steel durability. IN the case of a rasengan, he uses Preta path the same way he did to Nardo, in the page I showed bogard. Clones aren't doing much either, you seem to be forgetting anima, path is present, Asura tanks all their kunai stabs, and preta absorbs any rasengans. Lol @ SM. Not even going to argue with you if you think he can use it in a fight against Nagato. BT nullifies the massive amount of time required for Minato to get into it. What more could people ask for when Minato says he has never used it in an actual fight and he isn't proficient with it?.. Seriously. Minato is getting outlasted at the end of the day. CT can end the fight if it is used at the beginning of the fight. All the Kunai's are sucked into it and so is Minato, who has lost his only form of escape. One touch and Minato dies, Minato cannot teleport if his soul is in Nagato's hands, unless someone is willing to argue the 'he choses what to teleport' applies to an external soul as well..

1- Animal Path is irrelevant because it's a long range support summoning that can be hold off by Minato's summon. Besides, the most important thing is to kill the summoner and FTG allows the user to reach the opponent really fast at any point in battle

2- S/T barrier counters Nagato's CT

3- Shinra tensei is no problem either. During the Pain arc Kakashi and Choji could throw kunais 3 times in a row during the interval. Someone like Minato can easily take advantage of this

4- Nagato still has asura, human and gakido path left for defensive use but not only he lacks the reaction speed to use them during a Hiraishin attack, but a kunai is enough to make gakido path useless, asura path is never restricting a teleporter and human Path takes a while to remove the soul

So all in all, his only relevant defensive jutsu is Shinra tensei, but the 5 seconds interval will be like an eternity against an opponent like Minato. Not to mention, Minato can easily make the combination with his clone to be safe.
Fair points.
1- How are summons a factor in this fight? ST was shown to break the bones of the toads when it was done by Deva. Unless you are saying Minato will waste chakra the entire fight dodging ST with his FTG not only for himself, but for his toad as well. I don't see your point. Toads are a non factor.
2- How? I don't get this comparison tbh, it stops incoming attacks by redirecting them. Furthermore, nothing implies Minato can create such a large barrier, let alone create the large amount of handseals required while being attracted to the CT core.
3-That's Deva path alone. Mobile Nagato has shown that his ST's are much stronger and the fact he can use all his other paths, while the dogs are helping him, make it ever the more easier for the interval to be overlooked. Anyways, thrown kunai's are non factors going by this scan [ ].
4- Don't see how Asura cannot affect the kunai, elaborate. Minato teleports and still has to strike. Asura blocks a kunai stab and Preta a rasengan the same way it did to Nardo. It stops a kunai stab from Minato the same way it stopped Bee from striking [ ], or simply engulfs his body with steel armour. There's nothing up for arguing here, teleporting doesn't mean striking instantly, as Bee and Madara have shown. Nagato's linked vision furthers this since he will know where he is at all times. Human path only did take a while because Naruto had chakra arms clinging on to it. Had he not, he would have lost his soul long ago.

It is not his only defensive jutsu. It has already been shown that KCM Naruto couldn't see or sense the negative emotions of Nagato when he used his stealth chameleon [ ][ ]. That is only one defensively plausible jutsu. However, what you fail to realise is that Asura's tanking capabilities are far beyond what most people make it out to be. Kisame got hit by v2 Bee's lariat and lost half his chest even though he absorbed the chakra. When Nagato was hit by v2 Bee's Lariat, he began absorbing the chakra after there was contact, yet was completely unaffected by the lariat. This implies Asura was in fact able to tank the initial force, and Preta nullified the rest. Nevertheless, an amazing durability feat.
 
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That was a good argument for Nagato, but I don't think it's possible for Preta to absorb seals.
 

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That was a good argument for Nagato, but I don't think it's possible for Preta to absorb seals.
Thanks, and yea, I'm iffy about that one. I was using this scan [ ] to back up my argument, but idk.
 

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Well, Juubi Jin Obito was also marked and he is able to neutralize any Ninjutsu.
 

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Thanks, and yea, I'm iffy about that one. I was using this scan [ ] to back up my argument, but idk.

The only unreason I am unsure is because whenever Killer bee's chakra was absorbed(by either samaheda or preta) his seal was never affected at all. In other words, I don't think the seals themselves are made out of chakra. To further back up my point, neither Obito or Sasuke could see the seal on Danzo's chest, despite possessing the sharingan.(which sees chakra) I still believe Nagato wins though.
 
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No. I mean that Tobirama marked Juubito's body and he couldn't get rid of the mark despite he can neutralize Ninjutsu.

When Minato marked Obito, it was his original body. However, when he became Jinchuuriki, his body has shed. [ ] Tobirama marked him after becoming Jinchuuriki.​
 

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That's not my point... My point is, that you can't absorb the Hiraishin marking...
 

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Well, Juubi Jin Obito was also marked and he is able to neutralize any Ninjutsu.
Is that all you could see in my argument? Anyways, as I already stated.. Minato will not be getting any opportunity to mark Minato and making his body out of steel will make the seal vanish, temporarily or not. Anyways, I found this scan to further make any arguments of FTG unviable against Nagato [ ]. He can create nigh-omnidirectional vision without summons, with summons it is overkill. All the hands in addition to the other things Asura can do make this fight seem nigh impossible for Minato, who excels at teleporting to behind the opponent to kill. Too bad teleporting is never behind since Nagato basically has a face behind and in front, a pair of hands behind and infront. This, paired with sensing and ST make closing the distance for the sake of ending impossible. Absorbing it was a simple option, wrong or not, it doesn't matter.
 
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Marked is marked. Hardening his body won't change it.
And how Gakido reacts to Hiraishin? If Nagato is marked, he is done and that's fact. Nagato can't react to teleportation if he is marked. He will teleport with his Rasengan right into Nagato.

Minato has the Rasengan, Hiraishin and Kagebunshin. You know that Minato can teleport himself to everything his Chakra is connected with. That means he also teleports to his Kagebunshin. Minato can simply go into close combat with Nagato. Even if Nagato uses Ashura Path, because the real Minato would teleport to his Bunshin and blitz him. Again, how does Nagato react to Hiraishin, to teleportation? Not possible. If Nagato blows the Bunshin away, he will have an interval in which Minato will blitz him with Hiraishin. His Kunai are spread in the whole surroundings.

If Minato makes a few Kagebunshin, Nagato will have 4-5 opponents which can teleport.
 

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Nagato wins, Nagato is only below Hashirama who're not god tier shinobi
 

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Marked is marked. Hardening his body won't change it.
And how Gakido reacts to Hiraishin? If Nagato is marked, he is done and that's fact. Nagato can't react to teleportation if he is marked. He will teleport with his Rasengan right into Nagato.

Minato has the Rasengan, Hiraishin and Kagebunshin. You know that Minato can teleport himself to everything his Chakra is connected with. That means he also teleports to his Kagebunshin. Minato can simply go into close combat with Nagato. Even if Nagato uses Ashura Path, because the real Minato would teleport to his Bunshin and blitz him. Again, how does Nagato react to Hiraishin, to teleportation? Not possible. If Nagato blows the Bunshin away, he will have an interval in which Minato will blitz him with Hiraishin. His Kunai are spread in the whole surroundings.

If Minato makes a few Kagebunshin, Nagato will have 4-5 opponents which can teleport.
Incorrect. He is changing his body as a whole He is going from bones, flesh and skin to metal and an outer layering. Nagato can rip this outter layer off or replace it with more steel. Either way, he is changing his body and that will suffice in removing the mark. Lol, I see you are one of those Minato fans who don't even understand how his FTG v2 works. Teleports behind Ay but Bee reacts before Minato can strike [ ]. Tags Bee and teleports behind him but Bee has his attack ready [ ]. The FTG itself is instant, the action that occurs after it is not. If you are saying Minato strikes faster than a mere thought process, than there's nothing for me to say to you given you follow that ignorant logic. Rasengan doesn't spawn on him, nor will it ever. It is absorbed via a single thought process.

Anyways, I am no longer debating this "Minato tags him gg" concept. Once you tell me how exactly he tags him, I will proceed my counter arguments to it. Until then, there's no reason for me to argue it. Minato does and Nagato does or . ST destroys the kunai's with little difficulty and CT puts them all on the rubble surrounding the core. There will be no escape from it since S/T barrier cannot be used without hand seals--which aren't executable on the way to the core. S/T barrier isn't even big enough to handle it, nor will it ever make contact with the core itself. Minato gets sucked in with no escape. He along with his bunshins gets crushed and that's that. And no, Minato can't get into close combat since he will be taking an S/T to the face, or risk getting soul ripped each time. No kunai's will ever be in Nagato's close proximity. How does Minato use Hirashin nearby Nagato when he canot even have his kunai's come within a meter radius of Nagato? He has no need to blow the bunshins alone away, he blows Minato, the bunshins and the nearby kunais away. And no, they are not. ST assures that no kunai's are ever in the surrounding radius whether it be or . AOE kunai's are now 100's of meters away, or nearby kunai's are km's away. Either way, Minato isn't utilising them in any way bar defence (assuming he doesn't use CT right off the bat, but thar would be boring).
 

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1- Animal Path is irrelevant because it's a long range support summoning that can be hold off by Minato's summon. Besides, the most important thing is to kill the summoner and FTG allows the user to reach the opponent really fast at any point in battle

2- S/T barrier counters Nagato's CT

3- Shinra tensei is no problem either. During the Pain arc Kakashi and Choji could throw kunais 3 times in a row during the interval. Someone like Minato can easily take advantage of this

4- Nagato still has asura, human and gakido path left for defensive use but not only he lacks the reaction speed to use them during a Hiraishin attack, but a kunai is enough to make gakido path useless, asura path is never restricting a teleporter and human Path takes a while to remove the soul

So all in all, his only relevant defensive jutsu is Shinra tensei, but the 5 seconds interval will be like an eternity against an opponent like Minato. Not to mention, Minato can easily make the combination with his clone to be safe.

nothing left to add.....
 

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