nagato vs kakashi and guy DEBATE?

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kakashi + guy win
even chibaku tensei won't works since kakashi can kamui the small black ball before that it goes greater.Summons are good match up for Gai.Gedo Mazo will cause them trouble but them should win.Not to mension that Kakashi can kamui Nagata as well since there are not 6 separate path.

You say that as if Kakashi will be standing still when the black orb has formed. He would instantly be pulled upwards and would certainly be off balance and in no position to use such a precise move such as Kamui. As well as this, he will have to defend himself against Nagato so i'll let you choose which one he'll be able to do at that particular moment.
 

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Countering the Paths when they're all inside one Body is alot different from the 6paths from what Kakashi has Seen. Also the Paths are much more Powerful When nagato uses them himself.

Also i Doubt They could Counter Nagato using Multiple Paths at the same time.

Also Kakashi Nor Gai have a good counter to Nagato's Giant Multi-Headed Dog, Kakashi could kamui it but it would leave him Very open to attack.
Nagato's Summons would cause alot of Problem's. Plus with their shared Vision, Bird's Eye view of the Field.
cameleon Summon would be Trouble, It was Strong enough to Hold Km naruto.

asura path has Quite alot of Strength, Able to Hold down Bee Also.
Nagato Took quite a Hit from Bee in Full 8tailed BIjuu Cloak and didn't seem affected.
 

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They can't counter Chibaku Tensei or Gedo Mazo. They just can't.

i told you they can
guys speed in gates is tremendous and your acting like he wont see a huge meteor above his head he can easily out run it.xd

and kakashi like i said hide like a mole jutsu or he can easily use hidden mist jutsu as soon as nagato is about to use it, do not forget the fact that guy stated that they have counters too ALL of his techniques
 

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i told you they can
guys speed in gates is tremendous and your acting like he wont see a huge meteor above his head he can easily out run it.xd

and kakashi like i said hide like a mole jutsu or he can easily use hidden mist jutsu as soon as nagato is about to use it, do not forget the fact that guy stated that they have counters too ALL of his techniques

You shouldnt take what a character says literally. Kakashi also said that he was gonna Kamui all of the Tailed beasts with multiple TBB ready to fire infront of him. :rolleyes:
 

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All of those things are easier said then done lol.

-Hidden Mist wouldnt matter anymore actually because apparently Nagato can sense people's chakra so he would have an idea of their location even if his eyes are blocked.
-Speed does not matter when you're against gravity, you will slowly still be sucked in towards the sphere.
- I see you havent replied towards my multiple dog summons. Sure Kakashi can Kamui them but how long can he keep up?
- Kakashi using earth style to hide as a mole wouldnt matter because Nagato has mastery of the elements.
- What will they do against Banshou Tenin? Unless there are huge building rubbles around them they would be attracted towards Nagato.
- Nagato's chakra rods, if pierced by one of these you are Nagato's puppet. This is a main problem for Guy as he mainly uses Taijutsu.

I can go on to say more :p

:mugi::mugi: you want it bro?xd
''Nagato can sense people's chakra so he would have an idea of their location even if his eyes are blocked.''

even tho thats somewhat agreeable i disagree.
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how come he couldn't of sensed kakashi's chakra right their but he got tricked by a clone?

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how come he couldnt sense his chakra here he was still alive?
 

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You shouldnt take what a character says literally. Kakashi also said that he was gonna Kamui all of the Tailed beasts with multiple TBB ready to fire infront of him. :rolleyes:

dont fk with kakashi:scorps:xd lolz we dont know for sure its all speculation he could have or he couldnt
 

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Countering the Paths when they're all inside one Body is alot different from the 6paths from what Kakashi has Seen. Also the Paths are much more Powerful When nagato uses them himself.

Also i Doubt They could Counter Nagato using Multiple Paths at the same time.

Also Kakashi Nor Gai have a good counter to Nagato's Giant Multi-Headed Dog, Kakashi could kamui it but it would leave him Very open to attack.
Nagato's Summons would cause alot of Problem's. Plus with their shared Vision, Bird's Eye view of the Field.
cameleon Summon would be Trouble, It was Strong enough to Hold Km naruto.

asura path has Quite alot of Strength, Able to Hold down Bee Also.
Nagato Took quite a Hit from Bee in Full 8tailed BIjuu Cloak and didn't seem affected.

it wouldnt leave him open to attack he could easily use hidden mist jutsu and hide somewhere safe in ground with his head still up being to see and kamui the dogs.

cameleon already told you how to counter that all kakashi has to do is get some of nagato's blood

kakashi and guy have different fighting styles and techniques from naruto and bee
 

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it wouldnt leave him open to attack he could easily use hidden mist jutsu and hide somewhere safe in ground with his head still up being to see and kamui the dogs.

cameleon already told you how to counter that all kakashi has to do is get some of nagato's blood

kakashi and guy have different fighting styles and techniques from naruto and bee

Hidden Mist works both Ways, He can't Kamui what he can't see, Unless he gets Very close, Kakashi's Dogs will Easily Get delt with by Pains Other summons/Asura path (Growing Extra Arms and so on), And using Hiden Mist would also Hinder Gai aswell.

A Shinra Tensei would Blow the Mist Away, Also it's Been stated that he knows all 5 Elements so a Simple wind Jutsu would Do also, Even Nagato's Bird summons could Blow it away By Flapping it's Wings.

Yeah because getting Blood From Nagato would be an Easy/Simple Task, He can't do anything About it if nagato summons it Befor kakashi has had a chance to attack.
Sharp Weaons = Block by Asura path/Shinra tensei.
Ninjutsu = Blocked by Preta path, Also it Makes Taijutsu Deadly to use because if can Absorb Chakra from Someones Body with a Mere touch, So Tell he How will he get blood From nagato?.

He Mayhave Different Fighting styles But he Lacks the Chakra and The Brute Force that is Needed.
 

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Hidden Mist works both Ways, He can't Kamui what he can't see, Unless he gets Very close, Kakashi's Dogs will Easily Get delt with by Pains Other summons/Asura path (Growing Extra Arms and so on), And using Hiden Mist would also Hinder Gai aswell.

A Shinra Tensei would Blow the Mist Away, Also it's Been stated that he knows all 5 Elements so a Simple wind Jutsu would Do also, Even Nagato's Bird summons could Blow it away By Flapping it's Wings.

Yeah because getting Blood From Nagato would be an Easy/Simple Task, He can't do anything About it if nagato summons it Befor kakashi has had a chance to attack.
Sharp Weaons = Block by Asura path/Shinra tensei.
Ninjutsu = Blocked by Preta path, Also it Makes Taijutsu Deadly to use because if can Absorb Chakra from Someones Body with a Mere touch, So Tell he How will he get blood From nagato?.

He Mayhave Different Fighting styles But he Lacks the Chakra and The Brute Force that is Needed.

good posts.
 

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There is no debate.

Nagato would win mid difficulty at least.
 

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Nagato, I think they'd put up a good fight but;

All taijutsu is blocked by Shinra tensei, and if Kakashi tries to sneak attack after Guy has been Shinra'd, a Asura path fodder limb would do the trick.

All ninjitsu is useless before Preta path, and let's not forget he can use multiple paths at the same time, meaning even if they attack in unison all attacks will be fended off.

Hidden mist = Shinra Tensei'd or wind jutsu'd,

Any elemental attack from Kakashi will be answered by it's weakness from Nagato / absorbed.

They will not be able to counter a big Shinra Tensei as;

- Even if Kakashi hides under ground, when he destroyed Konoha (This was a sick Nagato and through a path) it created a huge crater, one that Kakashi could not escape from

- Guy may possibly be able to run away from the blast radius but this is not his style, and even if he did I'll go onto explain how he'd be dealt with

Chibaku Tensei;

- Kakashi would not be able to Kamui it, as Kamui isn't physical like TBB it wouldn't get "Dragged into the black orb" and as the ground shakes, disintergrates and moves towards the orb, he wouldn't be able to use such a precise move.

- However strong Gate Guy is, he does not equal the strength of 8 tail Kurama, which was needed to break out of a Chibaku tensei cast by a near death Nagato, after he had destroyed a whole village, needless to say one cast by a healthy Nagato would e on a completely different scale in terms of size / power.

It wouldn't be easy, but Nagato would win.
 

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Nagato, I think they'd put up a good fight but;

All taijutsu is blocked by Shinra tensei, and if Kakashi tries to sneak attack after Guy has been Shinra'd, a Asura path fodder limb would do the trick.

All ninjitsu is useless before Preta path, and let's not forget he can use multiple paths at the same time, meaning even if they attack in unison all attacks will be fended off.

Hidden mist = Shinra Tensei'd or wind jutsu'd,

Any elemental attack from Kakashi will be answered by it's weakness from Nagato / absorbed.

They will not be able to counter a big Shinra Tensei as;

- Even if Kakashi hides under ground, when he destroyed Konoha (This was a sick Nagato and through a path) it created a huge crater, one that Kakashi could not escape from

- Guy may possibly be able to run away from the blast radius but this is not his style, and even if he did I'll go onto explain how he'd be dealt with

Chibaku Tensei;

- Kakashi would not be able to Kamui it, as Kamui isn't physical like TBB it wouldn't get "Dragged into the black orb" and as the ground shakes, disintergrates and moves towards the orb, he wouldn't be able to use such a precise move.

- However strong Gate Guy is, he does not equal the strength of 8 tail Kurama, which was needed to break out of a Chibaku tensei cast by a near death Nagato, after he had destroyed a whole village, needless to say one cast by a healthy Nagato would e on a completely different scale in terms of size / power.

It wouldn't be easy, but Nagato would win.

hahaha good post mate
 

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nagato vs kakashi and guy DEBATE?

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right here guy states ''So he knows that we've already developed strategies to counter ALL pains abilities.

notice how i bolded the ALL part if this is indeed true that means they infact have counters to all of pains abilities that includes not only deva path but the rest of them shown here:


壱 (1) - Deva Path.
- Asura Path.-grants the user the ability to summon mechanised armor, augmenting their body with extra limbs and various robotic weaponry
- Human Path.-grants the user the ability to remove the soul of any target they touched as well as read their mind.
- Animal Path.-grants the user the ability to summon various creatures.
- Preta Path.-grants the user the ability to absorb an infinite amount of chakra in any form using the Blocking Technique Absorption Seal.
- Naraka Path.-grants the user two main abilities: interrogation and restoration, by using the King of Hell.


now I'd like to start off with guy.
1. deva path is able to absorb any ninjutsu which would not be a problem for guy. shown right here


shown right here guy is performing morning peacock which is a short to mid range technique which is composed of heating the air around him stated by kisame right here:
with this preta path would not be able to absorb it since its not chakra or ninjutsu based.

also guys hidurudo not only is this not chakra based and would not be effected by preta path.now not only can this help take care of nagato's summoning but if nagato tries to absorb Hirudora without knowledge of it being non chakra based it will intermittently result in a victory since its explodes on command and focuses on 1 single point.


might guys eight gates- not only is guy op this state but his speed and power is so tremendous it would be hard for nagato to keep up also considering him not being able to walk perfectly and wit help of kakashi hatake,also to add might guy's summoning nigame would be a help also since it can levitate in mid air shown in the fight with kisame would would help guy out.

kakashi hatake- favorite part
1. kakashi's various battle strategies and intelligence would help him tremendously in this not to forget guy stated him and kakashi developed counters to ALL of his techniques.



ninjutsu- yes this would be a major problem since this is something preta path would have ease against.
1. raikiri clones.- with prep time kakashi could easily distract nagato with a lighting style clone shown right here now plp would probably bring up rinnegan can tell the differences between a fake and the real thing but shown their even deva pain with rinnegan eyes couldn't tell the difference this would give a blind spot open attack with guy for his hirudo or peacock technique since is mid-range or while guy is taking on nagato kakashi can have prep time with with kamui getting it ready for nagato since nagato isnt very mobility with his legs.

shown right here with kakashi is able to come up from the under the ground with hiding like a mole technique which turns the ground into a sandy like substance with his chakra not only can he do this when guy is taking nagato but it would leave nagato for a blind spot while fighting guy, this is also a good escape method kakashi can use if nagato starts to get close ranged or his starts using long distance attacks

diversion- this is where the fun part comes in b4 the battle even starts kakashi can use hiding in the mist technique to cloud nagato while him a guy make a plan or kakashi is planning a prep time with his kamui.

if nagato tries to use any long distance ninjutsu kakashi can easily defend himself and guy with earth style wall

and his lighting style raikiri dog clones which can be a impressive diversion




kakashi's genjutsu-


this genjutsu is called demonic illusion which makes the person is it casted upon see something that they dont want to see it will basically be a broken heart image more info on it right here -http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Demonic_Illusion:_Hell_Viewing_Technique
now heres a another chakra based ninjutsu called lighting transmission that kakashi has to make a clone for and they make a chain which can cunt through basically anything which would be good for nagato's summoings- right their you can see kakashi using it.



heres comes the gud part about guy stating they have made counters for nagato's ability's this jutsu allows kakashi to go underground and he would be able to grab nagato but the leg and put him underground instantly this would be a good wait to avoid close contact since nagato is able to take their souls away instantly,. as you can see kakashi is basically equipped with techniques in his arsenal to not get hit or avoiding contact with naagato face to face.

summoning jutsu- 2 more things i'd like to address would kakashi's dogs which would aid him in battle against nagato and help guy.

proof to back up this claim-

now plp will probably bring up nagato camilion that has the ability to turn invisible showing in the pic i provided this would cause major problems but kakashi always has a counter for that.


if your not familiar kakashi has a technique called tracking fang technique right here linking provided for more info on it-http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Summoning:_Earth_Release:_Tracking_Fang_Technique

basically if kakashi manages to get blood somehow from nagato he can use it to summong his tracking dogs which would use the blood to sniff out nagato thus making his invisible camilion useless.proof for the technique in action is right here-




and here:




shown right here zabuza was so confident that he couldnt get found by kakashi but with kakashi's tracking hounds and zabuza's blood they were able to find him in the mist. the same thing will happen to nagato and his invisible camilian if kakashi can get nagato's blood. yea i know this is long but its well presented and i backed up my facts your thoughts and if you want to debate and if you see any flaws feel free to comment dont be scared to +rep =-ppp thanks for reading




Here Bee and Naruto were 5 seconds to death if it werent for ITachi

Here is where Itachi Saved them

Here it takes three of their strongest jutsus to defeat Nagatos Chibaku tensei.

Took 3 OP People to stop Nagato. Nagato going for blood Is Godly almost.

Nagato can be airbourne too dont forget his bird summon, Kakashi's Earth Airbourne bs would be useless. Nagato can counter just as much as Gai and Kakashi can counter back too. You missed the biggest part on what Nagato has, the Rinnegan. Surpassing the Sharingan. The Rinnegan lets Nagato dominate the way he does.

What you told us is basically Gai and Itachi can defeat Nagato giving all infos on Gai and Itachi, little to none on Nagato. Nagato has the ability to use all of Pains abilities, Nagato has Crazy OP summons such as the dogs, bird, salamander, etc., Nagato has Chibaku Tensei, Nagato Absorbs chakra which wouldnt affect Gai but Kakashi, Nagato has this control of gravity so he will be able to stop Gai as he was able to stop Naruto who is indeed faster than Gai.

Kakashi nor Gai have the Kunai skills as Itachi did to counter the summons, Kakashi also has not used a genjutsu since then so idk why your pulling that up plus its on sakura who was extreamly weak before .

Nagato had the chance to kill Naruto 2 times. Nagato also took on Konoha by himself.

Nagato is on another scale upon Strength compared to Kakashi and Gai.
 
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Here Bee and Naruto were 5 seconds to death if it werent for ITachi

Here is where Itachi Saved them

Here it takes three of their strongest jutsus to defeat Nagatos Chibaku tensei.

Took 3 OP People to stop Nagato. Nagato going for blood Is Godly almost.

Nagato can be airbourne too dont forget his bird summon, Kakashi's Earth Airbourne bs would be useless. Nagato can counter just as much as Gai and Kakashi can counter back too. You missed the biggest part on what Nagato has, the Rinnegan. Surpassing the Sharingan. The Rinnegan lets Nagato dominate the way he does.

What you told us is basically Gai and Itachi can defeat Nagato giving all infos on Gai and Itachi, little to none on Nagato. Nagato has the ability to use all of Pains abilities, Nagato has Crazy OP summons such as the dogs, bird, salamander, etc., Nagato has Chibaku Tensei, Nagato Absorbs chakra which wouldnt affect Gai but Kakashi, Nagato has this control of gravity so he will be able to stop Gai as he was able to stop Naruto who is indeed faster than Gai.

Kakashi nor Gai have the Kunai skills as Itachi did to counter the summons, Kakashi also has not used a genjutsu since then so idk why your pulling that up plus its on sakura who was extreamly weak before .

Nagato had the chance to kill Naruto 2 times. Nagato also took on Konoha by himself.

Nagato is on another scale upon Strength compared to Kakashi and Gai.

what you fail to realize kakashi and guys fighting techs and strategy's are different they naruto's and bee's and kakashi's arsenal are better fitted.

kakashi's earth style is bs? explain how?
1. guy in 7 gates can deal with the dogs and bird not to mention i gave a well planned out strategy for kakashi to make nagato's camilion useless all he needs is hes blood.

i told you how they escape chibaku tensei
guys speed can easily out run in a matter of seconds when hes in 7 gates
and kakashi can just use hide like a mole to go deep underground and avoid chibaku tensei.

show me a link where it shows guy in gates<naruto in speed?
does it matter that he has not used genjutsu before he has a WIDE RANGE of a arsenal full of tricks. post me a link where it states rinnegan is immune to genjutsu?

and gai and kakashi have no skills to take on nagato summons? ok.. thats why they were taking on tailed beasts a few chaps ago?

1. nagato didnt take on kohana by himself that was pain you know those those dead bodies that NAGATO controls?

kakashi was taking on deva pain and asura pain until helped arrived dont underrestimate kakashi
 

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Absolutely not, they make a good team but not that good.
 

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kakashi and guy beat nagato because of speed, ms, counters to rinnegan that they were going to use on the jinks but never got the chance (bu barely win)xd
 

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Guy could possibly Solo

Nagato has no counter to the gates
6th gate wins this
 

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what you fail to realize kakashi and guys fighting techs and strategy's are different they naruto's and bee's and kakashi's arsenal are better fitted.

kakashi's earth style is bs? explain how?
1. guy in 7 gates can deal with the dogs and bird not to mention i gave a well planned out strategy for kakashi to make nagato's camilion useless all he needs is hes blood.

i told you how they escape chibaku tensei
guys speed can easily out run in a matter of seconds when hes in 7 gates
and kakashi can just use hide like a mole to go deep underground and avoid chibaku tensei.

show me a link where it shows guy in gates<naruto in speed?
does it matter that he has not used genjutsu before he has a WIDE RANGE of a arsenal full of tricks. post me a link where it states rinnegan is immune to genjutsu?

and gai and kakashi have no skills to take on nagato summons? ok.. thats why they were taking on tailed beasts a few chaps ago?

1. nagato didnt take on kohana by himself that was pain you know those those dead bodies that NAGATO controls?

kakashi was taking on deva pain and asura pain until helped arrived dont underrestimate kakashi

So it is true this "Nagato vs Kakashi and guy DEBATE" Is really you just saying Kakashi and Guy would defeat Nagato

Okay so it is True, Naruto and Bee have different tactics than Kakashi and Guy but what u fail to undersstand is Naruto has BM , Bee and the 8th tail work together well. Two Jinchuriki's , 8 and 9 tails the two strongest Bijuus. Bee and Naruto work together just as well as Kakashi and Guy but in their own ways. Naruto and Bee have almost Limitless amount of Chakra due to the Bijuus. Not to mention they have 2 extra set of other eyes to help them(Kurama and Gyūki). With this said Nagato was still able to get them at their best.

Kakashi and Gai cant take on all those tailed beast. they can only hold them off. The 5 Tailed Beasts were about to kill Kakashi and Gai until Naruto saved them. Naruto finished the job.

Nagato Created Pain used him like a puppet and used them to destroy Konoha therefore Nagato took on Konoha. Kakashi Took on Deva pain and asura pain with choji and choza's help. If i created puppets that i controlled and destroyed Konoha i get the credit for it, so should Nagato. As i said before Kakashi can only hold them off.. until help came. That help later on happens to be Naruto who also finished the job

Really u think Gai's Faster than Naruto ? Please Naruto's being compared to Minato. Kakashi mistaked him for Minato that's how fast he is. Gai's fast but not on Naruto/Minato's level. Also here's a link of where Gai himself is impressed and shocked of the speed Naruto travelled at . Read Gai's Quotes, he speaks As if he's never seen this speed before. He doesnt even know what it is to begin with thats how fast. Kakashi as i said mistaked Naruto for Minato.

I never said Rinnegan was immune to Genjustu, its immune to nin-jutsu

Chibaku Tensei sucks up everything? You cant run from it nor hide from it. You can only destroy lol wtf? Kakashi hiding ? Chibaku would suck the ground up. It sucked up Naruto when he had 8-tails. Sucked up the ground. As i said it took 3 tremendously strong ability to destroy Chibaku Tensei. Guy's Fists wont do the job. Why? Im H.I.V Positive that Guy's Fists dont match up to Narutos Rasengan alone along with Itachi's Susanoo, and Bee's Tailed Beast Bomb. Guy's Hiru Dora would equal one third of the power of what Bee, Naruto, and Itachi used. Kakashi wouldn't have anything to use so he's useless. And if there is a technique Kakashi has that u can pull off somewhere i gurantee it would use mass majority of Kakashi's Chakra exhausting him. As Fuzzy said Kakashi cant hide underground and Gai cant run or wouldn't run. Why i know he wouldnt run? because as Gai and Kakashi were about to get obliterated by 5 Tailed beast bombs, Gai could have made a run for it but didnt. Idk why you didnt give Fuzzy reasons as to why Kakashi and Gai would win or counter it .lol Smh. It may have been Shinra Tensei he spoke of, but it applies the same for Chibaku Tensei.

Have I ever said Gai and Kakashi dont have any skills to go up against the summons? Read again, i said they dont have the kunai skills to counter/blind the summons. Killing the dogs not an option. The only way to kill it is to kill Nagato or use Amaterasu and last time i checked Kakashi doesn't have Amaterasu. Beating the heck out of it will make it muiltiply and get stronger. The bird isnt just a weapon, it can be used to keep distance.


Nagato wont shed blood. He wasn't touched when he fought against Naruto, Bee. Bee's Lariat only led to Nagato draining Bee's Chakra. And say somehow they do shed blood, Nagato draining their chakra replenishes Nagato, making him good as new, cuts no more. This also means he can heal, due to the affects similar to Samehada. The other time they were able to touch Nagato was when Itachi used susanoo. Kakashi doesn't have Susanoo. His MS limits him to a few usages. 1 time max if he fought Nagato
The chamillion will be a great weapon to sneak up on for some damage. As Exaar said, Nagatos summons can take care of the dogs.


"Yeah because getting Blood From Nagato would be an Easy/Simple Task, He can't do anything About it if nagato summons it Befor kakashi has had a chance to attack.
Sharp Weaons = Block by Asura path/Shinra tensei.
Ninjutsu = Blocked by Preta path, Also it Makes Taijutsu Deadly to use because if can Absorb Chakra from Someones Body with a Mere touch, So Tell he How will he get blood From nagato?." -Exaar



Shinra Tensei theres nowhere to run or hide. Guy May be able to run but he's not going to. Shinra's Self Explanitory. Big Crater, Big Damage. If Kakashi and Guy made it out alive they would have used alot of stamina, then what , what if Nagato pulls a Chibaku Tensei? done. OR it could be the other way around. Chibaku which you cant escape unless ur a 8tailed transforming to a full sized 9 tailed fox then u can BUT, say in god's miracle (dont believe in it this is just an example) they do escape they would have used up a shiznat load of stamina, chakra than Shinra would be a finisher

Nagato has an ability similar to Madara's meteor
Divine Attracter plus a Meteor to the face.

As i said Nagato can pull people towards him aka Divine Attracter , Guy's speed would be meaningless when Nagato Pulls him in , as that happens to Naruto TWICE who's speed is compared to Minato's.

Nagato's reaction and reflexs are fast. He was able to stop Bee from attacking at the same time catch Bee Asura path.

Nagato can Constrict people with a lizard-type of summon and steal its soul as its being constricted . As he's Constriting some and taking their soul, he can still defend himself and use Asura's Path pointing a Futuristic gun at their face blowing their brain particles to bits and pieces


These are the information i didnt include. These are all of the information you didnt include.
 
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There argurably stronger than them

Your Crazy. Look at Naruto and Bee's Condition and take a look at Kakashi's and Gai's conditions as they're fighting Tobi. They couldnt even defeat the Tailed beast as Naruto Defeated them alone with some assistance from Bee, With that said Team Work. All this talk about Kakashi and Gai with great teamwork look at Bee and Naruto..

Back to point though Naruto back handed the tail beast bombs with one hand, Gai and Kakashi we're ready to die in action. Naruto then took on all the other beasts combination of tailed beast bombs alone. That p**** Bee didnt even help. Naruto and Bee would dominate Gai and Kakashi. If its the Bijuu's that makes them stronger so then they're stronger. Naruto's surpassed Kakashi, he even said that himself.
 
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