Nagato VS Itachi Uchia

[24 12 11 to troll]

Are we talking about Nagato or Pain?

Nagatos only chance to win is Chibaku Tensei. Imo Itachi can avoid it with Amaterasu. It's easy, he hit the core of CT with Amaterasu and destroy it. Amaterasu arises in Itachis field of vision - Amaterasu is faster than the spheres activation, because it has to fly up to the sky first. If Itachi can see the core (the Sharingan sees Chakra), he can also hit the sphere directly.

In the Manga it was an other situation. He had Bee and Naruto on his side. So why not use the help but destroy it by himself?

During Chibaku Tensei Itachi talked to Naruto and Bee, asked Naruto how he could survive (rhetorical question because Naruto said that it's over if you get hit by this technique, although he has survived), he analyzed Chibaku Tensei and explained the situation and the way to escape from it to Naruto, and Bee and Bee also had the time to make a joke and transform himself into the Hachibi. During this time of explanation and talks Chibaku Tensei has of course grown, so maybe they needed the power of a tailed beast bomb, a Rasenshuriken and Yasaka's Magatama. The Manga has shown us how smart Itachi is in order to recognize the situation quickly. Without Naruto, Itachi could throw his Yasaka's Magatama already in the beginning in direction to the sphere, when it hasn't grown to much. Amaterasu will work too, as I explained. What could Nagato do else?

Shinra Tensei will be blocked by Susanoo. For example, the suction of the big summon Baku wasn't enough to move the incomplete Susanoo from his place, only after Danzo combined his Fuuton with his summons suction, he could damage it. About the other paths I don't have to say much - The absorption wouldn't work because of Susanoos ghostweapons, Totsuka will crush him anyway. Asura-Path isn't worth talking about, Susanoos defense is to strong. Human path is useless against Susanoo as well, the thorax of Susanoo will already be enough to counter every touch. Naraka-Path is also useless. The summons are pretty good but can be defeated by Itachi. Nagato can't use all of his summons at once, he summons always one or two summons. It's easy to crush the summons with Susanoo or kill one, two (like the annoying dog) with Amaterasu. Itachi don't even need the final stage of Susanoo - already the first stage can crush them, like it crushed Danzo and cut of Nagatos Asura-Path arms. Susanoo is pretty huge, comparable to his summons. And let's be honest, his summons aren't resistant at all - One firestyle jutsu killed the bird, like Jiraiyas hair killed another one.

And don't start with Itachis stamina. During his fight with Sasuke, Itachi was able to use several Genjutsus and Katonjutsus, Tsukuyomi, 5 times Amaterasu and 5-10 minutes Susanoo, despite his sickness. In the manga chapter about Nagato, Itachi has used Amaterasu three times, also Susanoo, to save Naruto and Bee, to attack Chibaku Tensei and to seal Nagato away. After Nagato got sealed, Itachi talked to Naruto and Bee during his complete Susanoo stood in the backround. It's not a matter of stamina.

What Itachi can do? He can

• Finish with him by Tsukuyomi
• Cast several other paralyzing illusions on him which don't even need eye contact
• Can hit him by Amaterasu at any time during an exhausting battle
• Can crush him with Totsukas sword, also seal him away

Itachi is a smart guy, he would certainly analyze the situation and create a reasonable plan. Intelligence is also an important factor for fight. Itachi is intelligent and has flexible skills, like powerful Ninjutsus AND Genjutsus, also excellent Taijutsu and good use of weapons.

And all of Itachis Genjutsus will work, why not? Nagato didn't show a resistance against illusions, illusions affect everyone, Nagato isn't the exception. Even if he uses a summon, he will still be affected by the illusion. Pains shared senses idn't help the three Pains to get out of the illusion (and it does not matter what kind of Genjutsu, it's still an illusion. And since Itachi is a very smart guy who analyze the situation, he could take advantage of the summons shared vision by casting an Genjutsu on them, to let Nagato see the illusion Itachi cast on his summon. Don't think that shared vision is the perfect weapon against visual Genjutsus.

please explain how itachi burns a pure sphere of gravity?
and itachi had leads to pull togethor to get the full idea of how CT works , in this battle he doesnt , he doesnt have naruto for info unlike in the fight where nagato overpowered them.

it took a TBB ,rasenshuriken and the susanoo technique to stop the susanoo technique , so itachis susanoo technique may not be enough to stop chibaku tensei , this isnt confirmed but i believe with itachis poor amount of chakra he wont be able to do much more in a fight than what i have already mentioned.

shinra tensei wont be blocked by susanoo for the following reasons:
-susano'os weakness is the ground and shinra tensei goes along the ground and will be able to knock itachi off of his feat
-itachis susanoo wont be able to break off an arm to place the yata mirror infront of the base of his susanoo

if by some chance that susanoo can block it he will be pushed back or knocked over leaving him wide open for a bombardment of missiles

totsuka is itachis only confirmed threat to nagato,if nagato has the 6 paths then it wont be too much of a threat ,itachi uses susanoo as a last trick up his sleeve , so totsuka and yata will only be used at the very end of a battle , if itachi uses susanoo too quickly he will be outplayed and outlasted by nagato , and if itachi doesnt get it out at the start he is doomed , one shinra tensei and itachi may already be dead.
and asura path( the robot one)will be able to hammer susanoo down slowly to the point in which it is easily breakable or to the point in which itachi is forcing himself to fight by pure willpower , his chakra would nearly be gone by then.

yes im going on about itachis stamina , big deal he did about 15 jutsus ,
nagato used aqbout 25 and 5 or so would take up more chakra than itachi has to begin with , he used susanoo for about 2 minutes , not an impressive feat , so susanoo will be almost useless in this battle ,
tsukoyomi has never been proven to work on a rinnegan user
and nagato is also a very smart man , if you ask for his feat;to lead a group of S class shinobi wanted in every nation for several years undetected without giving away any intel etc.

and if three paths get caught in an illusion that doesnt directly affect nagato , nor the other paths , the 6 paths can disrupt the genjutsu , and with the amount of chakra nagato has the only genjutsu he cant break by himself is tsukoyomi ;quee the paths of pain

this can either end
-itachi is outlasted
-itachi is overpowered by nagato
-itachi dies of pain and no chakra left
-itachi by a very slim chance seals nagato

going by this 75% chance nagato wins , atleast

 

[warlee]

Cst, ct, gedo mazo, preta paths and hell realm give nagato the win.

 

[FloriGlori]

Angry? Amused is more like it.

 

[Shisui Namikaze]

With the 6-Paths I give it to Nagato.

Without the 6-Paths it goes to Itachi.

Fool. Nagato is stronger without his paths. The paths were a weaker version that he was forced to use because he's cripple.

 

[Raito]

guys its simple , itachi couldve been the akatsuki leader , but why not? he has power and he has brains.
but nagato has twice as much power and about as much brains , i dont need to post facts ,just a note for the future , ignore raito and florglori their posts are completely irrelevant and have been proven wrong several times

like i said way earlier on this thread nagato

Nagato was an Akatsukimember far before Itachi joined this group. Nagato was only a pawn in Tobis hands, Tobi needed him to use Gedo Mazo in order to absorb the Bijus. Itachi was a good guy, he had no need to becoming the leader of Akatsuki in order to follow Tobis ideals.

You are truly amusing, Rinnemaki. Thinking isn't your strength, a 10 yr old is smarter.

 

[sdam]

Fool. Nagato is stronger without his paths. The paths were a weaker version that he was forced to use because he's cripple.

true, if nagato fought with his paths he would have to be controlling them than he could barely fight himself, and nagato even if he is not crippled he has no speed that's why nagato would lose her amaterasu is to fast for nagato and totsuka sword prob is too.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Nagato was an Akatsukimember far before Itachi joined this group. Nagato was only a pawn in Tobis hands, Tobi needed him to use Gedo Mazo in order to absorb the Bijus. Itachi was a good guy, he had no need to becoming the leader of Akatsuki in order to follow Tobis ideals.

You are truly amusing, Rinnemaki. Thinking isn't your strength, a 10 yr old is smarter.

all akatsuki who werent secretly spying for info aka all but itachi where pawns in tobis hands,and does a good guy have anything to do with strength? btw if you believe so , lemme tell ya , nagato is a good guy , it doesnt matter how long youve been somewhere to become a leader , if youve got the qualities your offered the role , and yes gedo mezo is nagatos technique , well done for proving nagato wins , totsuka may not work on it because its a statue , and possibly not even a living thing, my 8 yr old sister is smarter than you

 

[Raito]

all akatsuki who werent secretly spying for info aka all but itachi where pawns in tobis hands,and does a good guy have anything to do with strength? btw if you believe so , lemme tell ya , nagato is a good guy , it doesnt matter how long youve been somewhere to become a leader , if youve got the qualities your offered the role , and yes gedo mezo is nagatos technique , well done for proving nagato wins , totsuka may not work on it because its a statue , and possibly not even a living thing, my 8 yr old sister is smarter than you

 

[khaydz5]

Nagato was an Akatsukimember far before Itachi joined this group. Nagato was only a pawn in Tobis hands, Tobi needed him to use Gedo Mazo in order to absorb the Bijus. Itachi was a good guy, he had no need to becoming the leader of Akatsuki in order to follow Tobis ideals.

You are truly amusing, Rinnemaki. Thinking isn't your strength, a 10 yr old is smarter.

lol this...

well itachi was a pawn in nagato's hand either. he obeys their leader's order. so whats you're point?

itachi being a good guy joins akatsuki which is a BAD organization lol. and if he is strong as you say why not he just oppose akatsuki and kill them 1 by 1? he knew tobi from the day of the massacre why didn't itachi kill him?
the answer is simple... itachi is not strong enough to oppose them.

Call my posts flawed as often as you want dear honey, yet that changes nothing about the facts. As long as you can't properly back-up your claims they'll remain worthless assumptions.

Do me the favour and raise this discussion's level a bit.

you don't have "facts" to present either.. you're telling that itachi can just amaterasu ct but where is your proof? can you show manga page that itachi can destroy CT alone? well atleast I can prove you that HE CAN'T do it alone coz there is one whole manga page with the evidence.

so dude before you talk about assumptions hear yourself first. you're being a hypocrite.

 

[sdam]

lol this...

well itachi was a pawn in nagato's hand either. he obeys their leader's order. so whats you're point?

itachi being a good guy joins akatsuki which is a BAD organization lol. and if he is strong as you say why not he just oppose akatsuki and kill them 1 by 1? he knew tobi from the day of the massacre why didn't itachi kill him?
the answer is simple... itachi is not strong enough to oppose them.

I wan't to see Nagato kill Tobi (with out the rinnegan). Tobi will just be intangable until he can just absorb Nagato. You need to have Speed of Minato and bijuu mode naruto, to Outsmart Tobis space time tecnique, without any set up before.

 

[khaydz5]

I wan't to see Nagato kill Tobi (with out the rinnegan). Tobi will just be intangable until he can just absorb Nagato. You need to have Speed of Minato and bijuu mode naruto, to Outsmart Tobis space time tecnique, without any set up before.

no, speed is not the only key to tobi's space time.. konan even though its a setup "almost" kill tobi, but luckily he manages to keep some secrets that is why he beat konan.. matter of fact konan did much more damage to tobi than minato and way better than itachi's cheap shot amaterasu.

yeah I wanted to see tobi try to suck nagato while nagato is ripping his soul out..

tobi with rinnegan>nagato>tobi sharingan

 

[The Riddlerr]

Fool. Nagato is stronger without his paths. The paths were a weaker version that he was forced to use because he's cripple.

Nagato might be stronger without the Paths... but him going 1v1 against Itachi means he's going to lose out to Genjutsu since he's already proven susceptible and incapable of breaking out of it.


As for the post about Itachi not being able to destroy CT alone... You have no proof he can't either. Just because Kirabi and Naruto helped with destroying it, doesn't mean Itachi is incapable of destroying it alone.

 

[brockleetastesgood]

itachi... mostly because of the way he handled edo nagato...

 

[khaydz5]

Nagato might be stronger without the Paths... but him going 1v1 against Itachi means he's going to lose out to Genjutsu since he's already proven susceptible and incapable of breaking out of it.


As for the post about Itachi not being able to destroy CT alone... You have no proof he can't either. Just because Kirabi and Naruto helped with destroying it, doesn't mean Itachi is incapable of destroying it alone.

are you a retard or what? manga already showed you how itachi deals with it. that's his choice, he needed help. he had no other way but to ask help that is why he ask. seeing itachi's way to fight he never seeks help itachi is a loner and its not normal for him to ask help to anyone.

that is the sole proof itachi needed help and you can;t deny the fact. atleast show me one manga page that he CAN before you talk.

give me a proof itachi can focus on that small target far away and set it to amaterasu fire.

give me a proof that amaterasu can melt rocks.

give me a proof itachi can spam yasaka magatama to destroy CT.

give me a proof itachi can seal non living things.

give me a proof yata mirror can counter gravity.

your words, if you consider that as an argument then I can also say, "just because nagato was sealed doesn't mean nagato is incapable of countering the totsuka sword"

talking about being biased huh? one of the symptoms of fanboyism.

 

[TheSages456]

jesus christ nagato beats itachi at most somewhat mid difficulty

 

[The Riddlerr]

Actually the Manga didn't show us he can't. Itachi didn't know how strong CT was and asked Kirabi and Naruto to help him destroy the sphere... Fact is, we don't even know if all those attacks combined were even necessary in destroying it because we have no idea precisely how much damage the sphere will take.

As for the rest of your post... is that seriously the best you have? How about this - Give me proof that he can't do those things.... Since you want to debate like a 3 year old... smh.

I'll give you a more detailed answer later cause I'm currently on my phone at the moment.

 

[Turson]

Actually, Itachi would have a better chance against Nagato, than Six Paths of Pain. I can see him winning against Nagato, but not against Six Paths.

 

[khaydz5]

Actually the Manga didn't show us he can't. Itachi didn't know how strong CT was and asked Kirabi and Naruto to help him destroy the sphere... Fact is, we don't even know if all those attacks combined were even necessary in destroying it because we have no idea precisely how much damage the sphere will take.

As for the rest of your post... is that seriously the best you have? How about this - Give me proof that he can't do those things.... Since you want to debate like a 3 year old... smh.

I'll give you a more detailed answer later cause I'm currently on my phone at the moment.

lol how funny your assumptions are.. yeah we don't even know if how much yasaka magatama contributed into destroying that CT, to the looks of it yasaka magatama may even be the weakest among the three.compare it to biju dama and rasenshuriken.

your crazy to even think you can win a debate by twisting the facts, and I see you do not know well the manga, I suggest reread it first before posting something.. We already know that a TBB alone cannot destroy CT. proof? 6tails already tried to tailed beast bomb CT before but it failed. didn't even scratch it.

here is MANGA FACT for you, proof that TBB ALONE can't even scratch CT :

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are you seriously thinking yasaka magatama is stronger than that??

NOW, start giving proofs/facts to support your claim before even posting some crap on this thread.

a 3 yr old has more sense than you are.

 

[TheSages456]

lol how funny your assumptions are.. yeah we don't even know if how much yasaka magatama contributed into destroying that CT, to the looks of it yasaka magatama may even be the weakest among the three.compare it to biju dama and rasenshuriken.

your crazy to even think you can win a debate by twisting the facts, and I see you do not know well the manga, I suggest reread it first before posting something.. We already know that a TBB alone cannot destroy CT. proof? 6tails already tried to tailed beast bomb CT before but it failed. didn't even scratch it.

here is MANGA FACT for you, proof that TBB ALONE can't even scratch CT :

You must be registered for see links

are you seriously thinking yasaka magatama is stronger than that??

NOW, start giving proofs/facts to support your claim before even posting some crap on this thread.

a 3 yr old has more sense than you are.

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[Organis Machinas]

BOOOOM!!!!!!!!!! 100th post! where my ribbon????