Nagato vs Itachi & Sasuke & Minato

[Gakido]

So your original argument which was that KM Naruto destructive power is above Edo KM Minato is wrong.

No. KM Naruto has FRS and Chou FRS.

Is English your first language? Because that's exactly what it means.

Obviously its not yours.

com·ple·ment (kmpl-mnt)
n.
1.
a. Something that completes, makes up a whole, or brings to perfection.
b. The quantity or number needed to make up a whole: shelves with a full complement of books.
c. Either of two parts that complete the whole or mutually complete each other.

It even makes sense as well. When Bee and A do their lariat they need to both put in the same amount of power for the technique to work properly. Same thing applies here, they need to put in the same amount of power for the technique to work.

No it doesn't. It mearly increased the power of eachother. They're not equal.

 

[P3ĮÑ]

Nagato takes this HIGH diff IMO

 

[Fanta]

No. KM Naruto has FRS and Chou FRS.

Naruto didn't have Chou FRS before he got BM; and TBB > Rasenshuriken.

Obviously its not yours.

com·ple·ment (kmpl-mnt)
n.
1.
a. Something that completes, makes up a whole, or brings to perfection.
b. The quantity or number needed to make up a whole: shelves with a full complement of books.
c. Either of two parts that complete the whole or mutually complete each other.

Lmao. That's the definition of "complement". Tobirama said "compliment". Two different words bro.

Here's another translation if you're still not convinced

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No it doesn't. It mearly increased the power of eachother. They're not equal.

No. If they aren't the same power they won't combine. The one with the largest power would destroy the other. It has to be the same ratio.

 

[Gakido]

Naruto didn't have Chou FRS before he got BM; and TBB > Rasenshuriken.

Naruto used it in KCM. Notice how Naruto wisker arnt more predominant (

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) as when he's in BM (

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). Naruto even notes that Kurama is off gathering chakra, meaning they're not connected (

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). Naruto's collar is just already unbuttoned, he's in KCM.

Lmao. That's the definition of "complement". Tobirama said "compliment". Two different words bro.

then his statment doesn't make any sense, also still nothing about "equal"

com·pli·ment
/ˈkämpləmənt/Noun
A polite expression of praise or admiration.


Verb
Politely congratulate or praise (someone) for something.


Synonyms
noun. praise - flattery
verb. congratulate - felicitate - praise - commend - laud

Here's another translation if you're still not convinced

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I gave you a scan from *********** which takes presidence over other scanlations as its more accurate. Other scanlators are known for having errors.

No. If they aren't the same power they won't combine. The one with the largest power would destroy the other. It has to be the same ratio.

No that makes literaly no sense. The whole point of the combination was using Wind Chakra to boost the power of the fire. Thats it. Being equal has nothing to do with it.

 

[Fanta]

Naruto used it in KCM. Notice how Naruto wisker arnt more predominant (

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) as when he's in BM (

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)(

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)(

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). Naruto even notes that Kurama is off gathering chakra, meaning they're not connected (

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). Naruto's collar is just already unbuttoned, he's in KCM.

Like I said. Naruto didn't have Chou Rasenshuriken when he was fighting Nagato. It was never showed. Naruto's chakra control has gotten alot better since then which is most likely the reason why he can do Chou Rasenshuriken now.

then his statment doesn't make any sense, also still nothing about "equal"

com·pli·ment
/ˈkämpləmənt/Noun
A polite expression of praise or admiration.


Verb
Politely congratulate or praise (someone) for something.


Synonyms
noun. praise - flattery
verb. congratulate - felicitate - praise - commend - laud

Bro, it makes sense. If they praise each other perfectly. It means that they are perfectly balanced in power. You're just being stupid now.

I gave you a scan from *********** which takes presidence over other scanlations as its more accurate. Other scanlators are known for having errors.

Both translations of Tobirama's words have the same meaning. I was just showing you the other one since you had trouble comprehending ***********'s.

No that makes literaly no sense. The whole point of the combination was using Wind Chakra to boost the power of the fire. Thats it. Being equal has nothing to do with it.

They combined perfectly. It wasn't mostly Rasenshuriken with a bit of Enton, it was both techniques combined with the same amount of power. How is it so hard for you to understand?

 

[FloriGlori]

What a clownish brazenness of a thread.

A well thought-out versus thread's purpose is to create an equal match-up that presents argumentative range for both parties; this, however, is one of the severest stomps Nagato could possibly experience. Nothing to discuss about; somethings obvious to shake one's head about, especially when there are desperate attempts at refuting the obvious.

 

[Gakido]

Like I said. Naruto didn't have Chou Rasenshuriken when he was fighting Nagato. It was never showed. Naruto's chakra control has gotten alot better since then which is most likely the reason why he can do Chou Rasenshuriken now.

Since when? He hasn't done anything that would make it better.

Bro, it makes sense. If they praise each other perfectly. It means that they are perfectly balanced in power. You're just being stupid now.

No it doesn't. Its like saying a cup of water is equal to a Sasauge. Your the one being stupid. A hamburger and Cheese compliment eachother perfectly, doesn't mean they're equal.

Both translations of Tobirama's words had the same meaning. I was just showing you the other one since you had trouble comprehending ***********'s.

No they dont. Obviously.

They combined perfectly. It wasn't mostly Rasenshuriken with a bit of Enton, it was both techniques combined with the same amount of power. How is it so hard for you to understand?

Bevause thats not what happen. Your own logic has already collapsed under itself.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

What a clownish brazenness of a thread.

A well thought-out versus thread's purpose is to create an equal match-up that presents argumentative range for both parties; this, however, is one of the severest stomps Nagato could possibly experience. Nothing to discuss about; somethings obvious to shake one's head about, especially when there are desperate attempts at refuting the obvious.

Was not my intent to create a "Equal" versus match. You yourself can the quagmire that the arguments have become for those that support certain characters. When one becomes bored of debating, one watches others.

 

[Gakido]

What a clownish brazenness of a thread.

A well thought-out versus thread's purpose is to create an equal match-up that presents argumentative range for both parties; this, however, is one of the severest stomps Nagato could possibly experience. Nothing to discuss about; somethings obvious to shake one's head about, especially when there are desperate attempts at refuting the obvious.

Would you care to try and support why?

 

[Minator93]

Lawl Team 2 Butt rapes

 

[Fanta]

Since when? He hasn't done anything that would make it better.

He's had alot more practice with his chakra control since he fought Nagato. He couldn't even form a TBB properly without it exploding when he was fighting the 3rd Raikage. Look at him now.

No it doesn't. Its like saying a cup of water is equal to a Sasauge. Your the one being stupid. A hamburger and Cheese compliment eachother perfectly, doesn't mean they're equal.

It's not the same at all. We're talking about power. We're not talking about what tastes good with a hamburger.

No they dont. Obviously.

Yes it does. You just lack simple reading comprehension. I can't make it anymore clearer.

Bevause thats not what happen. Your own logic has already collapsed under itself.

How is that not what happened? Both jutsu's combined perfectly with equal power to make a new jutsu. Minato even gave it a name.

 

[Gakido]

He's had alot more practice with his chakra control since he fought Nagato. He couldn't even form a TBB properly without it exploding when he was fighting the 3rd Raikage. Look at him now.

Because he was trying to create a full one.

It's not the same at all. We're talking about power. We're not talking about what tastes good with a hamburger.

And as i've said. Your argument has collapsed upon itself. Either word doesn't equate to "equal" in the most accurate translation.

Yes it does. You just lack simple reading comprehension. I can't make it anymore clearer.

And I can't make it any more clear how wrong you are.

How is that not what happened? Both jutsu's combined perfectly with equal power to make a new jutsu. Minato even gave it a name.

That still doesn't make the jutsu's equal. Sasuke created Kirin with Amaterasu and Fire Style, that doesn't mean Fire Style + Amaterasu is equal in power to Kirin. Thats silly.

 

[Waltz]

Why Make Itachi and Minato Edo's?

Nagato is irrefutably stomped and Sasuke isn't even necessary. ​

 

[Gakido]

Why Make Itachi and Minato Edo's?

Nagato is irrefutably stomped and Sasuke isn't even necessary. ​

Why not try posting points? Two pages and the only argument so far is with the word "compliment"

 

[Fanta]

Because he was trying to create a full one.

So you're saying he can create an Oodama Rasenshuriken in KM but can't create a proper TBB?

And as i've said. Your argument has collapsed upon itself. Either word doesn't equate to "equal" in the most accurate translation.

You're just very simple minded since you can't grasp the fact that "complimenting each other perfectly", means that they are equal.

And for the record; *********** isn't the more accurate translation. My friend actually asked a Japaneese native which translations where more accurate and they said Mangapanda; and that *********** just make it more fancy.

That still doesn't make the jutsu's equal. Sasuke created Kirin with Amaterasu and Fire Style, that doesn't mean Fire Style + Amaterasu is equal in power to Kirin. Thats silly.

Completely different. His Katon and Amaterasu are used to prep his Kirin. He has to use them to create the thunderclouds and the right storm conditions. They aren't actually part of the jutsu.

 

[FloriGlori]

Would you care to try and support why?

You might as well ask me to support why Nagato gets destroyed by Edo Madara; there is neither incentive nor need for me to back up what I consider irrefutable, which in this case, is Nagato's utter defeat. As you have not presented any tolerable argument moving within the realm of common sense yet, there is nothing to refute for me, either.

 

[Fanta]

You might as well ask me to support why Nagato gets destroyed by Edo Madara; there is neither incentive nor need for me to back up what I consider irrefutable, which in this case, is Nagato's utter defeat.

You underestimate Nagato to a very high degree.

 

[Gakido]

You might as well ask me to support why Nagato gets destroyed by Edo Madara; there is neither incentive nor need for me to back up what I consider irrefutable, which in this case, is Nagato's utter defeat. As you have not presented any tolerable argument moving within the realm of common sense yet, there is nothing to refute for me, either.

So your just going to say that Nagato winning is stupid and not back it up? Seems legit.

I've already tried to get a debate going but no ones biting.

So you're saying he can create an Oodama Rasenshuriken in KM but can't create a proper TBB?

Yes. Bijuu chakra is much heavier and Bijudama is a much higher calibur jutsu, it would be insane to say OFRS was on the same level as a proper TBB.

[You're just very simple minded since you can't grasp the fact that "complimenting each other perfectly", means that they are equal.

No. Your just simple minded in the fact that neither compliment nor complement give any indication of equal. Thats just what you want it to mean. Even the dictionary disagrees

[And for the record; *********** isn't the more accurate translation. My friend actually asked a Japaneese native which translations where more accurate and they said Mangapanda; and that *********** just make it more fancy.

The whole "my friend" argument. Inexcuseable. Because this was accurate right? (

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) when *********** got it right.

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Completely different. His Katon and Amaterasu are used to prep his Kirin. He has to use them to create the thunderclouds and the right storm conditions. They aren't actually part of the jutsu.

Baku's suction + Wind Blades. Not equal. Your beating a dead horse, your just wrong.

 

[Waltz]

Why not try posting points? Two pages and the only argument so far is with the word "compliment"

This really is unnecessary.

Chameleon summon means nothing as the Sharingan can see chakra colour and Minato's KCM allows him to sense malice as well as his tracking ability; methods easily bypassing it's ability to become invisible, meaning, Itachi could one shot Nagato at that distance using Totsuka-no-Tsurugi, however it is not his fighting style. All other summons [including Cerberus] are taken down by Amaterasu. Shinra-tensei isn't breaching and would be reflected back by the Yata Mirror and as for chou shinra tensei, Nagato isn't getting into the air to perform that with the possibility of being tagged and whilst Jutsu such as Amaterasu are readily available. Nagato's Asura path would be destroyed by Susano'o and using Gakido on either of the three opponents would leave him open for alternate combo's. The argument of him anticipating other incoming attacks as he did against Naruto and bee is easily refuted as:

-> Amaterasu stops all his summons
-> Itachi's Shuriken prowess already blinded his sumomns [renders them useless also]
-> Susanoo's CQC ability destroys them also

Chibaku tensei makes no difference as Totsuka could potentially seal it as it seals anything it pierces in it's early stages or the latter. Human path and Naraka path are also useless as their abilities aren't much of an aid to a battle like this. It is absurd to think Nagato would stand any chance against these three not even mentioning that Mangekyou genjutsu is super-effective and would undoubtedly provide an opening for sealing. Minato also has a Gama summon to rely on, meaning Fukasaku and Shima's OP genjutsu may as well come into play. Nagato isn't lasting 10 minutes in such a battle. Izanami also one shots and Sasuke's potential hasn't even been used as he could simply set Nagato on fire at any point during the fight with his various Enton feats putting him down for some moments [

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] another window for sealing. Nagato literally has no chances of winning this even wielding the Rin'negan in his Edo tensei state as he cannot counter the many possible combo's producible by a team such as "Ita-Sasu-Mina" nor breech their defenses [especially at close range]. Nagato would inevitably be sealed, it's absurd to think otherwise. ​

 

[DemonicAvenger]

This really is unnecessary.

Chameleon summon means nothing as the Sharingan can see chakra colour and Minato's KCM allows him to sense malice as well as his tracking ability; methods easily bypassing it's ability to become invisible, meaning, Itachi could one shot Nagato at that distance using Totsuka-no-Tsurugi, however it is not his fighting style. All other summons [including Cerberus] are taken down by Amaterasu. Shinra-tensei isn't breaching and would be reflected back by the Yata Mirror and as for chou shinra tensei, Nagato isn't getting into the air to perform that with the possibility of being tagged and whilst Jutsu such as Amaterasu are readily available. Nagato's Asura path would be destroyed by Susano'o and using Gakido on either of the three opponents would leave him open for alternate combo's. The argument of him anticipating other incoming attacks as he did against Naruto and bee is easily refuted as:

-> Amaterasu stops all his summons
-> Itachi's Shuriken prowess already blinded his sumomns [renders them useless also]
-> Susanoo's CQC ability destroys them also

Chibaku tensei makes no difference as Totsuka could potentially seal it as it seals anything it pierces in it's early stages or the latter. Human path and Naraka path are also useless as their abilities aren't much of an aid to a battle like this. It is absurd to think Nagato would stand any chance against these three not even mentioning that Mangekyou genjutsu is super-effective and would undoubtedly provide an opening for sealing. Minato also has a Gama summon to rely on, meaning Fukasaku and Shima's OP genjutsu may as well come into play. Nagato isn't lasting 10 minutes in such a battle. Izanami also one shots and Sasuke's potential hasn't even been used as he could simply set Nagato on fire at any point during the fight with his various Enton feats putting him down for some moments [

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] another window for sealing. Nagato literally has no chances of winning this even wielding the Rin'negan in his Edo tensei state as he cannot counter the many possible combo's producible by a team such as "Ita-Sasu-Mina" nor breech their defenses [especially at close range]. Nagato would inevitably be sealed, it's absurd to think otherwise. ​

You just took all the purpose away from this thread. I created it in hopes that less weathered debaters could come to this revelation themselfs. From the less experienced eye this seems like a reasonable match, but once you start connecting all the dots you see how much of a stomp it is.

I guess its my fault for not saying anything ahead of time.