Nagato vs EMS Sasuke and Edo Itachi

[shelke]

L.......M.......L so many things wrong with this post my man

Correct them.

 

[Zexion~]

Correct them.

Eh won't be that serious but

-Proof that preta still has to be activated? Even if it does with truly Nagato controlling it and not Kabuto its never been blitzed (Realize Kabuto's control over Nagato was clumsy at best) Preta absorbs all susano'o arrows fired as if I recall they're still made of Susano'o chakra.

-YM's destroying CT :| as someone said before me those things barely touched a cave ceiling? The only thing that has shown to destroy CT were those jutsu, unless you can find proof that something weaker can destroy it (it was used a few times in final fight so by all means check there) then thats what stands as its limit point.

-You claim that we don't truly know what would destroy it but you're the one assuming YM's can while our conclusions/assumptions actually were backed by the manga whereas yours was not.

-Fairly certain that Naraka path comes with mastery of genjutsu... He wouldn't have to fight with his eye's closed he can spawn multiple heads with asura path to negate that

 

[makosheva7]

Tsukuyomi could solo.. but I see Nagato winning 7/10 times.

 

[shelke]

Eh won't be that serious but

-Proof that preta still has to be activated? Even if it does with truly Nagato controlling it and not Kabuto its never been blitzed (Realize Kabuto's control over Nagato was clumsy at best) Preta absorbs all susano'o arrows fired as if I recall they're still made of Susano'o chakra.

-YM's destroying CT :| as someone said before me those things barely touched a cave ceiling? The only thing that has shown to destroy CT were those jutsu, unless you can find proof that something weaker can destroy it (it was used a few times in final fight so by all means check there) then thats what stands as its limit point.

-You claim that we don't truly know what would destroy it but you're the one assuming YM's can while our conclusions/assumptions actually were backed by the manga whereas yours was not.

-Fairly certain that Naraka path comes with mastery of genjutsu... He wouldn't have to fight with his eye's closed he can spawn multiple heads with asura path to negate that

- When Killer Bee collided with Nagato, the manga shows him consciously using PP. It even highlights the terms.
- Arrows require S/T to counter them. Nagato isn't fast enough to react. No body said they cannot be absorbed, but it would pierce him regardless. Like I said, it's a matter of speed.

- Where did I state only YM breaks it apart? Read my first part.

- No, it is an assumption. You don't know how much energy multiple Enton Arrows and YM would generate. Not to mention Sasuke can use a giant Enton Sword for this as well. He has plenty of options.

- Rinnegan hasn't shown immunity to Genjutsu. This is speculation.

 

[Tsukukami]

Orochimaru still had time to speak as well Lol, Itachi could mean that he's about to be sealed. If he can control it that leads for so much more ambiguity on how these weapons work

The whole thing in genral is explained poorly
But there is defiantly a large gap in time between the two instances and with Nagato Itachi sealed him after he was done talking

 

[Zexion~]

- When Killer Bee collided with Nagato, the manga shows him consciously using PP. It even highlights the terms.
- Arrows require S/T to counter them. Nagato isn't fast enough to react. No body said they cannot be absorbed, but it would pierce him regardless. Like I said, it's a matter of speed.

- Where did I state only YM breaks it apart? Read my first part.

- No, it is an assumption. You don't know how much energy multiple Enton Arrows and YM would generate. Not to mention Sasuke can use a giant Enton Sword for this as well. He has plenty of options.

- Rinnegan hasn't shown immunity to Genjutsu. This is speculation.

-I don't see why you're saying it would take less time to use Preta then ST If nagato creates multiple hands from the start (Which he would be wise to do) he can basically absorb any and all jutsu coming at him.

-Again multiple heads counters Tsukuyomi

-Enton arrows don't really show any explosive force or any energy creatong though the most they could do is maybe pierce the CT but again TBB +FRS+YMs >YMs + Arrows

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It even highlights the terms.

Link me this part Lol too dead to go looking

 

[Draphsin]

You say this like its a fact confirmed by Kishi's words. Oh wait its not, just your own assumption like 90% of your arguments

Laughable coming from an itachi fapboy, but I'm sure you take that as a compliment anyways.

Your word = 0 here, so don't bother wasting your time if you're not going to provide anything of significance.

Manga says it seals anything it pierces.

Lol Looks like you didn't even read the points that already addressed this nonsense. Not going to repeat myself, go find it & reply to it if you want me to take you w/ any amount of seriousness.

Never did it say it will seal anything with a soul.

Read above.

And DB said it can cut down any enemy.

DB says temari can blow away the universe, w/o proper feats this means nothing.

Neither say that it is restricted to souls

So clearly you choose to ignore what the DB tells us it seals & what the manga shows us it seals, not to mention what I've been saying throughout this entire thread. I'm not even going to attempt to waste my time repeating the same thing I've been saying over & over again, bring something new to the table or as I said don't even bother.

 

[ARGUS]

Nagato wins mid diff

 

[shelke]

-I don't see why you're saying it would take less time to use Preta then ST If nagato creates multiple hands from the start (Which he would be wise to do) he can basically absorb any and all jutsu coming at him.

-Again multiple heads counters Tsukuyomi

-Enton arrows don't really show any explosive force or any energy creatong though the most they could do is maybe pierce the CT but again TBB +FRS+YMs >YMs + Arrows

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Link me this part Lol too dead to go looking

- He has to consciously use it. What S/T speed technique does he have that would counter it? Let's suppose Sasuke starts with a barrage of arrows. What then?

- How? You think Sasuke and Itachi wouldn't be able to tell them apart? One of them has EMS.

- It doesn't matter. The point is the production of energy. All of this is speculation from the basers here. Amaterasu has enough energy to affect all forms of chakra. I am pretty sure the argument still stands.

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[Draphsin]

Funny that none of this shit is supported.

Lol Then you have no clue how a debate works. Simple.

I read your points and like I said complete assumptions.

All I need to do is prove that my claim is more valid than the other one, which I did since the other claim has no basis or evidence.

Never did it say that Totsuka only seals souls.

& Never did anyone w/ credibility say it can seal anything. The databook says that souls sucked out are trapped inside, the manga showed us totsuka only ever sealing when it pierced a soul.

Yet BZ says that is can seal anything "...or so the legend goes". That statement alone flushes all the credibility he had regarding the weapon down the toilet since he's not 100% correct. Even he himself admits that he's not sure & when you have a character make a statement & then doubt himself about it it becomes <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< any other statement ever made. So nothing in the manga suggests that it can seal anything other than souls, the DB only mentioned souls & the manga only showed us souls, that destroys zetsu's pitiful word.

So unless you can show where it explicitly says that you have nothing

Lol But if only the burden of proof wasn't on you. You're the one making the claim, you have to provide the evidence. I already covered the nonsense behind zetsu's statement & so that means you have nothing to base your claim off of, whereas I have two pieces of information supporting mine. I don't have to prove anything else, you're the one who lacks any sufficient evidence now to prove me wrong or yourself right.

Totsuka sealing anything other than souls is nothing but a fanfic sparked by the same guy who called your lord invincible, no wonder you hold him to such a high standard.

 

[Draphsin]

@bold. Never did I argue that, but never did DB say that Totsuka seals only souls.

Lol That's the only thing it's been confirmed to seal. Prove it can seal anything else or keep embarrassing yourself.

Also proof is still on you to support your claim of DB sealing only souls.

Lel, definitely don't know how a debate works if that's what you think. I don't have to prove a thing, the manga showed us that it seals souls, saying it can seal anything else is a no-limits fallacy. Look it up & stop making me repeat myself.

Just because we only saw it used twice on souls does not mean that it is restricted to them.

False, that's exactly what it means otherwise temari can blow away the universe. No feats of it sealing anything else means it can't w/o proof.

You say it seals souls, I agree. DB and BZ both say it seals what it pierces, either that or it just cuts through it, but neither of them say that it only seals souls.

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says that it seals anything it pierces. The DB says that those pierced are put under genjutsu & trapped for eternity. Unless you can show me an inanimate object getting placed under genjutsu then the context of that statement was referring to living things [aka things w/ a soul].

& It doesn't have to say it only seals souls, does prime hiruzen have all the jutsus in konoha? No, he has what he's shown. Manga showed us totsuka only sealing souls, the DB says it seals souls, & so it seals souls. End of discussion.

DB and BZ > you

Lol More like DB & Feats >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BZ & you. BZ has zero credibility, the fact that you're still using his word as evidence shows me how desperate your argument has become.

My lord is invincible, he was never defeated but succumbed to a disease. Kabuto even said that he was the greatest shinobi that he ever created (or resurrected)

Thanks for showing me that taking you seriously is a joke itself. Lol

 

[BA5ED]

Lol That's the only thing it's been confirmed to seal. Prove it can seal anything else or keep embarrassing yourself.



Lel, definitely don't know how a debate works if that's what you think. I don't have to prove a thing, the manga showed us that it seals souls, saying it can seal anything else is a no-limits fallacy. Look it up & stop making me repeat myself.



False, that's exactly what it means otherwise temari can blow away the universe. No feats of it sealing anything else means it can't w/o proof.



DB

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says that it seals anything it pierces. The DB says that those pierced are put under genjutsu & trapped for eternity. Unless you can show me an inanimate object getting placed under genjutsu then the context of that statement was referring to living things [aka things w/ a soul].

& It doesn't have to say it only seals souls, does prime hiruzen have all the jutsus in konoha? No, he has what he's shown. Manga showed us totsuka only sealing souls, the DB says it seals souls, & so it seals souls. End of discussion.



Lol More like DB & Feats >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BZ & you. BZ has zero credibility, the fact that you're still using his word as evidence shows me how desperate your argument has become.



Thanks for showing me that taking you seriously is a joke itself. Lol

Lol the datebook is unreliable in the first place.
For instance the data book says totsuka uses a perfect attack that cuts down any enemy
I don't see why you ignore certain things in the datebook and certain things in the manga to fit your opinion

 

[Zexion~]

- He has to consciously use it. What S/T speed technique does he have that would counter it? Let's suppose Sasuke starts with a barrage of arrows. What then?

- How? You think Sasuke and Itachi wouldn't be able to tell them apart? One of them has EMS.

- It doesn't matter. The point is the production of energy. All of this is speculation from the basers here. Amaterasu has enough energy to affect all forms of chakra. I am pretty sure the argument still stands.

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How would EMS tell them apart?

As for that last scan how could he conciously have used Preta Path when he wasn't even conciously controlling his own body, Kabuto may have had to activate it but with Nagato doubtful as every other time its been used it never had to be so.

Can amertarasu still burn without oxygen? Because even if it could burn down CT the stones would be so tightly packed no air would get through to the center.

 

[shelke]

How would EMS tell them apart?

As for that last scan how could he conciously have used Preta Path when he wasn't even conciously controlling his own body, Kabuto may have had to activate it but with Nagato doubtful as every other time its been used it never had to be so.

Can amertarasu still burn without oxygen? Because even if it could burn down CT the stones would be so tightly packed no air would get through to the center.

- Can I see the scans for this feat?

- That is precisely why it supports my argument. PP needs to be activated for Nagato. It isn't automatic like Sasuke's and Madara's.

- This is real world science. Don't bring it into this. Secondly, I was talking about talking out the core.