Nagato vs EMS Sasuke and Edo Itachi

[Zexion~]

Kishi didn't explain their origins all we know is they are linked to his susanoo. The rest is up to you to interpret

Well TBH my theory is more logical than yours atm. But believe what you want

 

[Tsukukami]

Well TBH my theory is more logical than yours atm. But believe what you want

lel logic in naruto

 

[Draphsin]

@bold where is that stated xD like phantom dragon do you also believe thats physical

It doesn't need to be stated, does gravity need to be proven? The manga has shown us that any spiritual jutsu/tool that interacts w/ a physical entity has to become physical in order to do so. Allow me to provide examples.

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, it interacted w/ the environment & had to "eat" the person who's soul it wanted to take, if it wasn't physical then it wouldn't need to eat them & wouldn't have crashed into the ground.

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He has a jutsu that literally

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, yet he still couldn't escape a physical barrier.

Human path yanks the soul out of your opponent, during that time the soul is physical, shown when naruto

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as well.

Soul dragon, RDS,

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, human path, etc. These are jutsus that physically interact w/ the environment, they are spiritual entities on a physical plane.

Just because he hasn't sealed a physical object doesn't mean he can't. It was never disproven and since the manga hints at it I don't see why not.

He has sealed a physical object, totsuka seals everything connected to it's target but the target has to have a soul,

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got sealed w/ him as well. Totsuka has to become physical in order to do that as shown w/ all jutsus that involve spiritual entities interacting w/ the physical world.

@Italic :| by pierce it means impale not slash.

Again nothing to prove that, it never says impale.

Tell me why you think there was a delay

Maybe he can delay the seal time? Doesn't mean he can chose what he wants totsuka to seal.

 

[Tsukukami]

It doesn't need to be stated, does gravity need to be proven? The manga has shown us that any spiritual jutsu/tool that interacts w/ a physical entity has to become physical in order to do so. Allow me to provide examples.

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, it interacted w/ the environment & had to "eat" the person who's soul it wanted to take, if it wasn't physical then it wouldn't need to eat them & wouldn't have crashed into the ground.

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He has a jutsu that literally

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, yet he still couldn't escape a physical barrier.
Human path yanks the soul out of your opponent, during that time the soul is physical, shown when naruto

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as well.
Soul dragon, RDS,

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, human path, etc. These are jutsus that physically interact w/ the environment, they are spiritual entities on a physical plane.
He has sealed a physical object, totsuka seals everything connected to it's target but the target has to have a soul,

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got sealed w/ him as well. Totsuka has to become physical in order to do that as shown w/ all jutsus that involve spiritual entities interacting w/ the physical world.
Again nothing to prove that, it never says impale.
Maybe he can delay the seal time? Doesn't mean he can chose what he wants totsuka to seal.

To this I'd argue that the spiritual weapons can interact with the physical world while physical world can't interact with them.

By pierce it means 'impale' if that weren't the case the slash would have sealed the snakes too and it would say everything totsuka comes in contact with would be sealed

Perhaps, so he can delay the time seems more accurate

 

[Draphsin]

To this I'd argue that the spiritual weapons can interact with the physical world while physical world can't interact with them.

That's impossible, it literally means the exact same thing.

By pierce it means 'impale' if that weren't the case the slash would have sealed the snakes too and it would say everything totsuka comes in contact with would be sealed

This is how you interpret it. It says pierce & pierce doesn't solely mean impale, so it doesn't have to impale.

 

[Tsukukami]

That's impossible, it literally means the exact same thing.

For instance the sword touch u but you can touch it

This is how you interpret it. It says pierce & pierce doesn't solely mean impale, so it doesn't have to impale.

How would you explain the slash not sealing but the stab did

 

[Draphsin]

For instance the sword touch u but you can touch it

As I said that's impossible, if the sword is touching you then that means you're in turn touching it. It literally means the exact same thing.

How would you explain the slash not sealing but the stab did

Totsuka only seals souls. Oro's hydra heads did not have oro's soul inside of them, his body did hence why itachi needed him to emerge first.

 

[Tsukukami]

As I said that's impossible, if the sword is touching you then that means you're in turn touching it. It literally means the exact same thing.

Totsuka only seals souls. Oro's hydra heads did not have oro's soul inside of them, his body did hence why itachi needed him to emerge first.

Alright I understand your reasoning that could be a valid point. The topic in general is explained poorly. Still not convinced but ill leave it at that

 

[Draphsin]

Alright I understand your reasoning that could be a valid point. The topic in general is explained poorly. Still not convinced but ill leave it at that

Okay, fair enough.

 

[BA5ED]

Programmed KA ends the fight

next...

 

[Xlad]

Programmed KA ends the fight

next...

Interesting...

 

[Unorthodox]

Lol Really?

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You can clearly see that madara's skin is covered in ama.

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That amaterasu barely touched him you see his outfit was completely gone if he had no shirt he would have had bad damage also that is not preta path absorbtion so moot again

 

[Zexion~]

You say this like its a fact confirmed by Kishi's words. Oh wait its not, just your own assumption like 90% of your arguments

Manga says it seals anything it pierces. Never did it say it will seal anything with a soul. And DB said it can cut down any enemy. Neither say that it is restricted to souls

Lmfao the fact that he also says anything is most likely just a reference to the sealing of summons and animals Lol trapping an inanimate object in a genjutsu world is nothing but pathetic fanboyism.

 

[Zexion~]

Your assumption backed by nothing.
Doesn't mean it can't be sealed, just won't be in genjutsu

But the seal automatically leads to the genjutsu eternity :| you don't simply reverse that.

Thats like saying it should seal the air it pierces if it truly can seal anything Lol

 

[BA5ED]

But the seal automatically leads to the genjutsu eternity :| you don't simply reverse that.

Thats like saying it should seal the air it pierces if it truly can seal anything Lol

How do u know it doesn't seal the air
Notice the time difference in the seal in oro vs nagato clearly Itachi can control the rate of the seal

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[Tsukukami]

But the seal automatically leads to the genjutsu eternity :| you don't simply reverse that.

Thats like saying it should seal the air it pierces if it truly can seal anything Lol

Maybe it does seal the air Itachi controls the rate of the seal

Consider Nagato v Orochimaru
Oro was sealed instantly while Itachi gave Nagato time to talk to naruto.

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[Zexion~]

Maybe it does seal the air Itachi controls the rate of the seal

Consider Nagato v Orochimaru
Oro was sealed instantly while Itachi gave Nagato time to talk to naruto.

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Orochimaru still had time to speak as well Lol, Itachi could mean that he's about to be sealed. If he can control it that leads for so much more ambiguity on how these weapons work

 

[NSUNSR]

How does Yasaka Magatama which barely did any damage to the ceiling of a cave is destroying CT, when it completely blocked a bijuudama? This thread...

 

[shelke]

Sasuke and Itachi win Low to Mid - a bit of a stretch - Difficulty. Even if PS is restricted, Sasuke can use Enton arrows in rapid succession. They are too fast and more can be strung easily to mount the damage, meanwhile Itachi fires Magatamas. Once CT is done, Nagato has nothing to use in his arsenal that can actually harm the duo.

If he uses ST or BT, his eye goes in cool down and that moment can be easily availed to shoot one arrow to outright kill him. He is put under Tsukuyomi and killed. His use of Almighty Push is easily interrupted with the use of arrows. Nagato's Petra Path doesn't work in the manner post-alive body Madara's and Sasuke's works. It needs to be activated. That also goes against him.

His summons are fried with Enton Magatamas. One shot kills. He isn't immune to Itachi's or Sasuke's Genjutsu. He cannot fight with his eyes closed either. If chakra isn't a problem for Nagato, then it isn't for Sasuke and an Edo body either. Itachi can also prepare Izanagi and end the match. There are just too many options for the brothers to bag this match.

Why is this clown quoting me? You're one to talk about logic.

Kishi canonically portrayed the need for FRS, Bijuudama AND Yasaka Magatama to take out the core. A Susano'o Arrow and Yasaka Magatama aren't completely destroying the core at all, and even if that were the case, that gives Nagato more than enough time to use Animal Path to further stop Sasuke and Itachi from doing anything after they get away from the core, and then he proceeds to flatten them with Chou Shinra Tensei. No Susano'o bar PS is tanking Chou Shinra Tensei from Nagato, especially since it's objectively stronger coming from him compared to Tendo.

So those are the only ingredients in ABSOLUTE requirement to bring down a CT's core? And you absolutely know the amount of energy produced somehow overrides the one that can be produced with this combination? This is laughable.

 

[Zexion~]

Sasuke and Itachi win Low to Mid - a bit of a stretch - Difficulty. Even if PS is restricted, Sasuke can use Enton arrows in rapid succession. They are too fast and more can be strung easily to mount the damage, meanwhile Itachi fires Magatamas. Once CT is done, Nagato has nothing to use in his arsenal that can actually harm the duo.

If he uses ST or BT, his eye goes in cool down and that moment can be easily availed to shoot one arrow to outright kill him. He is put under Tsukuyomi and killed. His use of Almighty Push is easily interrupted with the use of arrows. Nagato's Petra Path doesn't work in the manner post-alive body Madara's and Sasuke's works. It needs to be activated. That also goes against him.

His summons are fried with Enton Magatamas. One shot kills. He isn't immune to Itachi's or Sasuke's Genjutsu. He cannot fight with his eyes closed either. If chakra isn't a problem for Nagato, then it isn't for Sasuke and an Edo body either. Itachi can also prepare Izanagi and end the match. There are just too many options for the brothers to bag this match.



So those are the only ingredients in ABSOLUTE requirement to bring down a CT's core? And you absolutely know the amount of energy produced somehow overrides the one that can be produced with this combination? This is laughable.

L.......M.......L so many things wrong with this post my man