Nagato vs EMS Madara

[OnPoint]

Yes you. You are just being arrogant

Arrogant? When I bash other fanbases (though I am a Hashirama fan, not Nagato :\), I make sure I get my facts straight. "Nagato cannot fly, fanboy fanboy fanboy" - It's easy to act 'arrogant' in the face of this kind of argument. I said I wanted a high quality debate in the OP, did you not read?

 

[Prince Charles]

IMO the main problem i see here is preta path

 

[TobisPawn]

And here you can't understand simply things. The Sharingan has a great insight which was even able to follow A's movements, what absolutely isn't comparable with Asura-Path. Next point, the perfect Susanoo doesn't even need to aim at Nagato since a mere swing cause an impact to the whole surrounding - The Susanoos first slash wasn't in any way purposed to kill the Kages but only to demonstrate its power. And last but not least Susanoo possesses two swords with which it can go on berserk.

Already the four tailed Naruto turned the force of Devas Shinra Tensei back, so you may consider the strength Nagato will need in order to repel the force which is used by only one swing of a sword Susanoo is using with one hand.

If Susanoo will took his sword in both hands in order to attack Nagato, do you think he would survive while the 5 Kages would not? I don't think so.

Crap. I have to retype everything because I accidentally closed the page. 0_0. Alright, here goes:

Nagato's shared vision counters Madara's perception. He can have summons in the air, invisible, and such to tell him when Madara's swinging. So he'll just have to focus on evading and countering. The second Madara goes for the swing, Nagato will know and he'll be able to propel himself away/up with Asura rockets and hit the sword with Shinra Tensei to cause Susanoo to lose balance and topple over. And the surrounding impact doesn't do much because Nagato can repel it too.

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is Nagato's Shinra Tensei when he's at near-zero chakra levels. I'm more than certain that Nagato can counter a sword swing head on. But, as shown above, he doesn't need to when he just has to avoid and hit Susanoo whilst its in mid-sword swing to cause it to lose balance. Pains Shinra Tensei <<<<<< Nagato's.

And yeah, Nagato can sill survive two swords due to shared vision alerting him when Madara swings, thus allowing him to dodge one swing and counter the other with a Shinra Tensei. Once Susanoo's knocked over, Madara's done for. And its not a far stretch to say Asura propelled Nagato = V1 A's speed, or is at least near it. To win, Nagato has to evade and get behind Susanoo to topple it, or evade and topple Susanoo right then and there.

 

[Senju Hashirama In Person]

what point of younger son got chosen over elder son don't you understand nagato would win

 

[OnPoint]

If Sasuke can use Amaterasu while using Susanoo, why not Madara? And yeah, as you said the talk is about EMS Madara and not Edo Madara, whose arsenal is far larger. So sure Madara would use his Amaterasu if he only has access to the Sharingan but not to the Mokuton and Rinnegan.

And I guess you don't even have to be a genius to attack the Chibaku Tensei as the last option, even Naruto did it while being in Kyuubis Chakra cloak, what means that he just followed his instincts.

And where you get the idea that Nagato would do something while Chibaku Tensei is active. Chibaku Tensei will attract Madara together with the whole surroundings. Kinda absurd that Nagato would act in this progress as well by using Preta-Path to 'foderrize' the attack of a Susanoo which is flying up towards Chibaku Tensei. Nagato/Deva is standing as we know at the ground and is fitting his technique with Chakra. Above it is Nagatos strongest technique; as we know for the large scale Shinra Tensei, he had to pay his full attention to it.

I mean Nagato could repel the attack of Itachi, Hachibi and Naruto as well while they were flying towards Chibaku Tensei. That he was being controlled is not an argument, Kabuto controlled Nagato with the command to beat them.

You have a very limited point of view.

Honestly, nothing can be said about the nature of Madara's Amaterasu, considering we've never actually seen him use it. I could talk about him using it in direct combat on the ground. But talking about him using it while being hundreds of feet in the air inside Perfect Susanoo is just unreasonable at this point.

Naruto followed his instincts after how long? I remember Chibaku Tensei had almost fully formed by then. If Madara wants to deal with Chibaku Tensei effectively, he's going to have to act very quickly.

Nagato has shown to be able to use multiple paths at once, just another level of his HAX. He can clearly use Deva Path in conjunction with Asura Path and/or Preta Path.

lolwat? Kabuto controlling Nagato has everything to do with it, not to mention the fact that Kishi couldn't have his main character die there and then.

 

[Strict]

@TobisPawn, before I go to bed, Nagato was never at near zero chakra level. Chakra is always regenerating itself so Nagato had his normal Chakra level. Gedo Mazo just ruined his body by taking to much Chakra at the same time. Hachibis Chakra regenerated Nagatos body. And above an Edo Tensei has no Chakra limit .

I'm going to sleep.

 

[TheSages456]

Crap. I have to retype everything because I accidentally closed the page. 0_0. Alright, here goes:

Nagato's shared vision counters Madara's perception. He can have summons in the air, invisible, and such to tell him when Madara's swinging. So he'll just have to focus on evading and countering. The second Madara goes for the swing, Nagato will know and he'll be able to propel himself away/up with Asura rockets and hit the sword with Shinra Tensei to cause Susanoo to lose balance and topple over. And the surrounding impact doesn't do much because Nagato can repel it too.

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is Nagato's Shinra Tensei when he's at near-zero chakra levels. I'm more than certain that Nagato can counter a sword swing head on. But, as shown above, he doesn't need to when he just has to avoid and hit Susanoo whilst its in mid-sword swing to cause it to lose balance. Pains Shinra Tensei <<<<<< Nagato's.

And yeah, Nagato can sill survive two swords due to shared vision alerting him when Madara swings, thus allowing him to dodge one swing and counter the other with a Shinra Tensei. Once Susanoo's knocked over, Madara's done for. And its not a far stretch to say Asura propelled Nagato = V1 A's speed, or is at least near it. To win, Nagato has to evade and get behind Susanoo to topple it, or evade and topple Susanoo right then and there.

Wrong. There is no possible way nagato is flying the distance of a mountain range by the time perfectsusano swings its sword. Unless nagato uses a mountain busting shinra tensei, he isnt deflecting the shockwaves.

 

[l3m0npl3dg3]

Madara is way to battle savy for nagato

 

[Prince Charles]

Crap. I have to retype everything because I accidentally closed the page. 0_0. Alright, here goes:

Nagato's shared vision counters Madara's perception. He can have summons in the air, invisible, and such to tell him when Madara's swinging. So he'll just have to focus on evading and countering. The second Madara goes for the swing, Nagato will know and he'll be able to propel himself away/up with Asura rockets and hit the sword with Shinra Tensei to cause Susanoo to lose balance and topple over. And the surrounding impact doesn't do much because Nagato can repel it too.

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is Nagato's Shinra Tensei when he's at near-zero chakra levels. I'm more than certain that Nagato can counter a sword swing head on. But, as shown above, he doesn't need to when he just has to avoid and hit Susanoo whilst its in mid-sword swing to cause it to lose balance. Pains Shinra Tensei <<<<<< Nagato's.

And yeah, Nagato can sill survive two swords due to shared vision alerting him when Madara swings, thus allowing him to dodge one swing and counter the other with a Shinra Tensei. Once Susanoo's knocked over, Madara's done for. And its not a far stretch to say Asura propelled Nagato = V1 A's speed, or is at least near it.

im not really on either side but couldn't madara simply ama his summons?

 

[TobisPawn]

@TobisPawn, before I go to bed, Nagato was never at near zero chakra level. Chakra is always regenerating itself so Nagato had his normal Chakra level. Gedo Mazo just ruined his body by taking to much Chakra at the same time. Hachibis Chakra regenerated Nagatos body. And above an Edo Tensei has no Chakra limit .

I'm going to sleep.

I believe Edo Tensei works by giving you how much chakra you had but constantly replenishing it. Seeing that Edo Nagato was near-zero, he didn't have much to work with for that Shinra Tensei. Hachibi's chakra turned Nagato's hair red too, implying that his chakra replenished.

im not really on either side but couldn't madara simply ama his summons?

If he's focusing on Nagato's summons, that'll make it even easier for Nagato to smack a Shinra Tensei right on Perfect Susanoo's head while Madara's preoccupied. :/

 

[Prince Charles]

Honestly, nothing can be said about the nature of Madara's Amaterasu, considering we've never actually seen him use it. I could talk about him using it in direct combat on the ground. But talking about him using it while being hundreds of feet in the air inside Perfect Susanoo is just unreasonable at this point.

Naruto followed his instincts after how long? I remember Chibaku Tensei had almost fully formed by then. If Madara wants to deal with Chibaku Tensei effectively, he's going to have to act very quickly.

Nagato has shown to be able to use multiple paths at once, just another level of his HAX. He can clearly use Deva Path in conjunction with Asura Path and/or Preta Path.

lolwat? Kabuto controlling Nagato has everything to do with it, not to mention the fact that Kishi couldn't have his main character die there and then.

it states you need ama and tysukuyomi to awaken sussnao.

 

[OnPoint]

it states you need ama and tysukuyomi to awaken sussnao.

You seemed to have missed the point. I'm not wholly saying that Madara doesn't have Amaterasu. I'm saying we know nothing of how he uses it with regards to his fighting style, and thus, to discuss its use in the most extreme of circumstances is unreasonable.

 

[cookiemonster455]

Why always ems Madara? He has the rin. But, Kishi has already put out there that the only person who can beat Madara is Hasi. So, Madara wins.

 

[OnPoint]

"after all he did get sealed by itachi." - I should report you for that you know. SMH.

 

[OnPoint]

lol you know i hestitated when i posted,

because you seem like one of those types.

but ok

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heres where he sealed him.

re read the whole chapter.

and you will see naruto and bee in deep trouble.

and who saved them? and sealed nagato?

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In what fucking alternate reality did Itachi face Nagato in a 1 vs 1 (where Nagato was controlling himself) and win? Then you have the audacity to state what you stated as a means to make Nagato look bad. Poor.

 

[Randombody]

Lmao at people thinking Pein > Nagato. I see people posting that four tails naruto withstood ST. Yes he did, but it was peins ST and not Nagatos...

 

[yuan of cruxis]

Only way i see Madara winning is with a genjutsu
But his doesnt seem as strong as Itachis. PS would mean trouble for Nagato, but Madara would probaly only use it to counter summons

Nagato wouldnt be able to stop 2 meteors either
But it will be a draw then, since idk if Madara could avoid the attack himself
And if Madara uses a clone tech then that means more susanoos

 

[OnPoint]

Only way i see Madara winning is with a genjutsu
But his doesnt seem as strong as Itachis. PS would mean trouble for Nagato, but Madara would probaly only use it to counter summons

Nagato wouldnt be able to stop 2 meteors either
But it will be a draw then, since idk if Madara could avoid the attack himself
And if Madara uses a clone tech then that means more susanoos

EMS Madara, no Rinnegan or Mokuton techniques.

 

[6pathofpain]

not trolling but

ems madara> nagato

how can nagato comepete with a hashirama level oppenet?

perfect sussanoo could be the death of nagato.

after all he did get sealed by itachi.


ps. i forgot all about kurama.. i see nagato useing alot of charka on the nine tails alone.

then to deal with perfect sussanoo+top 3 sharagin genjustu+ no rookie once again he fought with hashirama the strongest ninja. below the s06p and his sons

Nagato can absorb anything perfect suasnoo can do, the he wont have to deflect his swords slach he'll just absorb it. And since were talking about nagato and not pain, he can use an almighty push like he use on the leaf and deflect it and still be fine.

Amaterasu is countered by a small almighty push as we've already seen.

Madara's taijutsu and ninjustu is useless as we saw when KM naruto and killer bee both tried at the same time and lost with low difficulty to nagato.

Nagato's dog summon can only be defeated if nagato is as he's already stated. Any attacks including amaterasu will just make the dog spit into more and madara will be over run(not that they can break suasnoo) and nagato will have alot of feilds of vision.

And during the fight with 6 tails when six tails was attacking the planetary devastation pain was breaking the rocks that 6 tails was on to mess up his aim and hitting him with rocks so whoever said why didnt he do it when he fought naruto itachi an bee, its because he was being controlled and couldnt use his mind.(Although madara's perfect suasnoo is big as **** and may be able to break out anyway)

Madara has no chance against nagato cause nagato can counter him at every turn. Even with rinnegan madara's experience and skill level with it is nowhere near nagato's and it wouldnt help him.

This is more directed at what ^ said. What makes you think nagato is not a 1st hokage level opponent? And yes madara did say the only person who can stop me is the 1st but this is coming from probably the cockiest ninja in naruto who has only been beat by the 1st and everyone knows that so its not like he could lie. Not to mention he's never even met nagato seeing how he was dead before nagato was even born so how would he know if he could win? He's never even met someone else with rinnegan, or fought them.

 

[6pathofpain]

In what fucking alternate reality did Itachi face Nagato in a 1 vs 1 (where Nagato was controlling himself) and win? Then you have the audacity to state what you stated as a means to make Nagato look bad. Poor.

I dont think he's gonna get it lmao