Nagato vs EMS Madara

[TheSages456]

I cant believe what im reading. Nagato cant fly. He changes the gravitational field around himself to levitate. He isnt a dbz character. Shinra tensei isnt negating perfect susanos sword slash. That is bullshit that nagato fanboys spout

 

[iEspada]

when asura flew to tsunade, naruto crushed him. and you telling me that nagato woud just fly to madara and defeat him without madara would be able to put out susanoos both swords and crush him. dude if madara would put aout the whole strength of susanoo, one attack of susanoo with both sword would destro anything in a radius of a kilometer and you are saying that nagato would just fly aruond without being hit. how unlogical are you actually? :sy:.

 

[iEspada]

I cant believe what im reading. Nagato cant fly. He changes the gravitational field around himself to levitate. He isnt a dbz character. Shinra tensei isnt negating perfect susanos sword slash. That is bullshit that nagato fanboys spout

you are right the nagato fanboys are just mad.
nagato flying around, absorbing hashiramas forests and perfect susanoo and negating slashs which have the power to destroy mountains, they must be mad indeed.

 

[OnPoint]

And @Shodaime, I won't repeat myself. I don't see why Madara wouldn't hit Nagato easily due to the great insight of his Sharingan, whereby even Sasuke could follow A's movements to a certain point. Besides Madara isn't using his perfect Susanoo only, he has an arsenal which is consisting out of Genjutsus, Katon-Jutsus and Amaterasu, too. You may will tell me that Nagato will counter all of them but this is also just in theory.

There won't be a problem for Madara to hit Nagato by Amaterasu for example
while he is flying up towards him. Sure you will tell me that Nagato will repel it with Shinra Tensei, but this flame will cause damage and Pain anyway and force Nagato to handle it with his Shinra Tensei, leaving an great opening for Madara.

And your last statement just shows your level my dear.

You are simply not able to imagine a realistic fight but reduce it to a Ninjutsu spam, as always. By acknowledging the strategical part, you could realize that Itachi would even be able to outsmart someone like Nagato with explosive Kagebunshins, what doesn't mean that he would beat Nagato in the end.

More I don't have to say actually since I know how this Debate would end.

Madara has Amaterasu now? Interesting information you have there. No matter, Nagato is able to sense it's use and can efficiently counter it. Madara's ninjutsu is simply a non factor in this fight, as i've already stated numerous times, Nagato fodderizes. I also don't know what fanfiction you are writing, but to suggest that Madara would actually physically hit Nagato with Susanoo's blade is simply laughable. You speak as if Nagato, who mastered Yin Release (among the other nature transformations) at the age of 10, would struggle against Madara's genjutsu's, which are not known to be on the level of Itachi's. This isn't even taking into consideration that Nagato possesses the superior dojutsu.

But let's talk about Chibaku Tensei. It's larger than those meteors by a horrendous amount, and obviously one made by Nagato would be even bigger. It would comfortably be able to house all three objects inside it.

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Madara's Perfect Susanoo is taller than the meteor (which is actually stacked ontop of another), but remains smaller than the surrounding mountains. In comparison, we could fit several mountain ranges inside the canyon that was created by Chibaku Tensei. To be honest, it is debatable whether or not Perfect Susano'o, with its current feat, could destroy the black mass. After all, cutting a mountain is not the same as obliterating it.

Without knowledge, if Madara chooses to focus on the black orb, Nagato will have the perfect opportunity to strike and devour Susanoo (leaving it a destabilized mess). This leaves Madara either;

- Susceptible to a Banshou Tenin/Human Path combo
- Death by Chibaku Tensei if he failed in dealing with the core.

Hell, i've not even spoke about Gedo Mazo.

There's little you can say to convince the rest that Madara is the more likely victor, as it's rather clear that Nagato and his Rinnegan is superior to the Uchiha.

you are right the nagato fanboys are just mad.
nagato flying around, absorbing hashiramas forests and perfect susanoo and negating slashs which have the power to destroy mountains, they must be mad indeed.

I cant believe what im reading. Nagato cant fly. He changes the gravitational field around himself to levitate. He isnt a dbz character. Shinra tensei isnt negating perfect susanos sword slash. That is bullshit that nagato fanboys spout

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This debate may be a stretch too far for you two.

 

[Invsblphntm]

Dude I can't believe niggas are trying to argue for Madara, Nagato fodderizes that bastard.

 

[TheSages456]

Madara has Amaterasu now? Interesting information you have there. No matter, Nagato is able to sense it's use and can efficiently counter it. Madara's ninjutsu is simply a non factor in this fight, as i've already stated numerous times, Nagato fodderizes. I also don't know what fanfiction you are writing, but to suggest that Madara would actually physically hit Nagato with Susanoo's blade is simply laughable. You speak as if Nagato, who mastered Yin Release (among the other nature transformations) at the age of 10, would struggle against Madara's genjutsu's, which are not known to be on the level of Itachi's. This isn't even taking into consideration that Nagato possesses the superior dojutsu.

But let's talk about Chibaku Tensei. It's larger than those meteors by a horrendous amount, and obviously one made by Nagato would be even bigger. It would comfortably be able to house all three objects inside it.

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Madara's Perfect Susanoo is taller than the meteor (which is actually stacked ontop of another), but remains smaller than the surrounding mountains. In comparison, we could fit several mountain ranges inside the canyon that was created by Chibaku Tensei. To be honest, it is debatable whether or not Perfect Susano'o, with its current feat, could destroy the black mass. After all, cutting a mountain is not the same as obliterating it.

Without knowledge, if Madara chooses to focus on the black orb, Nagato will have the perfect opportunity to strike and devour Susanoo (leaving it a destabilized mess). This leaves Madara either;

- Susceptible to a Banshou Tenin/Human Path combo
- Death by Chibaku Tensei if he failed in dealing with the core.

Hell, i've not even spoke about Gedo Mazo.

There's little you can say to convince the rest that Madara is the more likely victor, as it's rather clear that Nagato and his Rinnegan is superior to the Uchiha.

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This debate may be a stretch too far for you two.

Even with that boost sm naruto easily intercepted it and killed it with zero effort. Perfect susanos sword slash kills nagato easily.

 

[OnPoint]

Even with that boost sm naruto easily intercepted it and killed it with zero effort. Perfect susanos sword slash kills nagato easily.

And how's the sword going to kill him? Blow him backwards? Oh please.

 

[iEspada]

And how's the sword going to kill him? Blow him backwards? Oh please.

yes it cut two mountains with this shockwave after crushing a meteor but it would blow nagato just away. you are maybe retarded?

 

[TheSages456]

And how's the sword going to kill him? Blow him backwards? Oh please.

The shockwaves kill him. You do realize shockwaves travel through the air right?

 

[OnPoint]

The shockwaves kill him. You do realize shockwaves travel through the air right?

yes it cut two mountains with this shockwave after crushing a meteor but it would blow nagato just away. you are maybe retarded?

That's why the Kages, who don't have Shinra Tensei, are dead right?

I was right about you two.

 

[Strict]

Itachi and the Databook said that you can awake Susanoo after you have mastered Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu.

Nobody is sensing Amaterasu since it is used instantly. Nagato, as well as Zetsu just felt an air pressure which was caused by the heat Amaterasu causes by its first use only. And even this cannot be sensed in an actual fight; Kabuto couldn't sense Amaterasu, too. How can you sense something that needs only a glance and is cast instantly?

And you don't have to show me Chibaku Tenseis size, since it is its size in its final state. In such a state even the combined attack of the Hachibi, Naruto and Itachi wouldn't work; but for those who need a slow explantation, I'll explain. You attack Chibaku Tensei in its early stage when it is only about to grow. After Itachi hold a talk to Naruto and Bee, where Chibaku of course managed to grow, their combined attack not only destroyed but comletely annihilated Chibaku Tensei. To put it simply, even then a weaker force would been enough. And if we leave off Itachis talk, where CT managed to grow, the force would be even smaller.

Do you want to say me, that Chibaku Tenseis size is larger than those of several mountains when it only starts to attract the surroundings? I guess you have no common sense. The perfect Susanoo used one sword in order to crush a meteor and to cut two distant mountains with one swing. So you may can imagine the power Susanoo would have if it would use both swords. Chibaku Tensei is not the problem here.

And I don't see why Amaterasu wouldn't handle with a little sphere of Chakra, since it burned even fire which was made out of Chakra.

To be honest, I'm tired now; maybe you can start a debate out of boredom but I don't have any desire to extend this debate at 2.00 AM.

All I have to say is that you are certainly wrong in many points.

 

[SilverSlick]

I cant believe what im reading. Nagato cant fly. He changes the gravitational field around himself to levitate. He isnt a dbz character. Shinra tensei isnt negating perfect susanos sword slash. That is bullshit that nagato fanboys spout

This is what everyone means when we say he can fly.

 

[iEspada]

That's why the Kages, who don't have Shinra Tensei, are dead right?

I was right about you two.

dude, have i really to explain you that madara would've crushed all 5 kages with ONE attack if the edo tensei wouldnt be released?

we shouldnt spend our time to feed this troll.

 

[Baozerrr]

Rinnegan too strong.

 

[SilverSlick]

Rinnegan>EMS.

 

[TheSages456]

That's why the Kages, who don't have Shinra Tensei, are dead right?

I was right about you two.

Sigh.. A retard. Madara didnt even aim for the kages. They were in front of him and he swung to his side. He wanted to show them his power.

 

[OnPoint]

Itachi and the Databook said that you can awake Susanoo after you have mastered Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu.

Nobody is sensing Amaterasu since it is used instantly. Nagato, as well as Zetsu just felt an air pressure which was caused by the heat Amaterasu causes by its first use only. And even this cannot be sensed in an actual fight; Kabuto couldn't sense Amaterasu, too. How can you sense something that needs only a glance and is cast instantly?

And you don't have to show me Chibaku Tenseis size, since it is its size in its final state. In such a state even the combined attack of the Hachibi, Naruto and Itachi wouldn't work; but for those who need a slow explantation, I'll explain. You attack Chibaku Tensei in its early stage when it is only about to grow. After Itachi hold a talk to Naruto and Bee, where Chibaku of course managed to grow, their combined attack not only destroyed but comletely annihilated Chibaku Tensei. To put it simply, even then a weaker force would been enough. And if we leave off Itachis talk, where CT managed to grow, the force would be even smaller.

Do you want to say me, that Chibaku Tenseis size is larger than those of several mountains when it only starts to attract the surroundings? I guess you have no common sense. The perfect Susanoo used one sword in order to crush a meteor and to cut two distant mountains with one swing. So you may can imagine the power Susanoo would have if it would use both swords. Chibaku Tensei is not the problem here.

And I don't see why Amaterasu wouldn't handle with a little sphere of Chakra, since it burned even fire which was made out of Chakra.

To be honest, I'm tired now; maybe you can start a debate out of boredom but I don't have any desire to extend this debate at 2.00 AM.

All I have to say is that you are certainly wrong in many points.

Perhaps, but everything you've stated here, in my eyes, is fantasy. Is it reasonable to say that Madara would use Amaterasu whilst in Perfect Susanoo? I think not. After all, it does not seem to be part of his fighting style, considering he is yet to use it. What does that say about Madara and this jutsu? Alot.

I've already explained to you the Chibaku Tensei situation. Itachi is a genius and it took him a short time to come up with a strategy in order to overcome this jutsu. Is Madara known for having genius like intellect? To say he would discover its secret anywhere near as quickly as Itachi did is just more fanfiction. And as I already told you, during this period where he's thinking about what he's going to do, he's going to have Nagato and Gedo Mazo to think about. So is he going to attack Chibaku Tensei and allow Preta Path and Gedo Mazo to fodderize him? Or is he going to concentrate on the immediate threat of Nagato and GD and allow Chibaku Tensei to build up? It really doesn't matter to me, you can choose how Madara loses the fight.

Sigh.. A retard. Madara didnt even aim for the kages. They were in front of him and he swung to his side. He wanted to show them his power.

Who, me? lol.

 

[TheSages456]

Perhaps, but everything you've stated here, in my eyes, is fantasy. Is it reasonable to say that Madara would use Amaterasu whilst in Perfect Susanoo? I think not. After all, it does not seem to be part of his fighting style, considering he is yet to use it. What does that say about Madara and this jutsu? Alot.

I've already explained to you the Chibaku Tensei situation. Itachi is a genius and it took him a short time to come up with a strategy in order to overcome this jutsu. Is Madara known for having genius like intellect? To say he would discover its secret anywhere near as quickly as Itachi did is just more fanfiction. And as I already told you, during this period where he's thinking about what he's going to do, he's going to have Nagato and Gedo Mazo to think about. So is he going to attack Chibaku Tensei and allow Preta Path and Gedo Mazo to fodderize him? Or is he going to concentrate on the immediate threat of Nagato and GD and allow Chibaku Tensei to build up? It really doesn't matter to me, you can choose how Madara loses the fight.



Who, me? lol.

Yes you. You are just being arrogant

 

[Prince Charles]

leaning towards madara a bit. PS is too much for any 1 ninja to handle.

 

[Strict]

If Sasuke can use Amaterasu while using Susanoo, why not Madara? And yeah, as you said the talk is about EMS Madara and not Edo Madara, whose arsenal is far larger. So sure Madara would use his Amaterasu if he only has access to the Sharingan but not to the Mokuton and Rinnegan.

And I guess you don't even have to be a genius to attack the Chibaku Tensei as the last option, even Naruto did it while being in Kyuubis Chakra cloak, what means that he just followed his instincts.

And where you get the idea that Nagato would do something while Chibaku Tensei is active. Chibaku Tensei will attract Madara together with the whole surroundings. Kinda absurd that Nagato would act in this progress as well by using Preta-Path to 'foderrize' the attack of a Susanoo which is flying up towards Chibaku Tensei. Nagato/Deva is standing as we know at the ground and is feeding his technique with Chakra. Above it is Nagatos strongest technique; as we know for the large scale Shinra Tensei, he had to pay his full attention to it.

I mean Nagato could repel the attack of Itachi, Hachibi and Naruto as well while they were flying towards Chibaku Tensei. That he was being controlled is not an argument, Kabuto controlled Nagato with the command to beat them.

You have a very limited point of view.