Nagato vs EMS Madara

[OnPoint]

Why would you limit Nagato and make such an uneven match?

This isn't even worth discussion because EMS Madara would beat Nagato most times. Not because he is better, but because he is an Edo, but Nagato would have a small chance but very small because he doesn't have sealing and if this is a straight up fight then Madara won't be playing around like he is with the Kages. If this was Edo Nagato vs. Edo Madara, then Nagato would be very much in Nagato's favor, as would normal Madar vs. Nagato because Nagato could take Madara's soul either way.

It's EMS Madara, not Edo Madara.

 

[Rike Senju]

Nagato is just more powerful than ems madara..his summons alone (especially the multiplying dog) would give madara some trouble..imo gedo mazo is not needed since nagato would pull madara out of susano with shinra tensei.

 

[Third Sage]

Nagato, all the way. Madara just doesn't have enough firepower (without Kyuubi and Rinnegan) to hold his ground for a long time.

 

[Strict]

Madara would win. Already without the perfect Susanoo it would be a though fight and I can't see Nagato handling the perfect Susanoo, which is huger than Gedo Mazo and is destroying several mountains with one swing of its sword.

Gedo Mazo without the Biju can't stand up to the perfect Susanoo, since I don't think that it can withstand a slash which crushed a meteor and cut two distant mountains above that.

 

[Hipster Madara]

:/ Need someone to give a big argument for Madara.

You simply can not back up EMS Madara winning with what we have seen so far. The statement would have to be full of assumptions that are easily rebuked with all the feats Nagato has. Once VotE comes around, you should ask again.

Madara would win. Already without the perfect Susanoo it would be a though fight and I can't see Nagato handling the perfect Susanoo, which is huger than Gedo Mazo and is destroying several mountains with one swing of its sword.

Gedo Mazo without the Biju can't stand up to the perfect Susanoo, since I don't think that it can withstand a slash which crushed a meteor and cut two distant mountains above that.

I hate to say it, but Preta path.
Plus, Pain went against Kyuubi without gedo mazou.
The only thing Madara has going is Nagato's limited mobility when using Gedo Mazou. But then again, Nagato probably won't need to use it until the end.

 

[Bi0hazard]

nagato would win hands down

 

[OnPoint]

Madara would win. Already without the perfect Susanoo it would be a though fight and I can't see Nagato handling the perfect Susanoo, which is huger than Gedo Mazo and is destroying several mountains with one swing of its sword.

Gedo Mazo without the Biju can't stand up to the perfect Susanoo, since I don't think that it can withstand a slash which crushed a meteor and cut two distant mountains above that.

Not only is Perfect Susanoo's shockwave counterable via Shinra Tensei, Nagato can avoid serious damage by taking to the air if such an attack occurs. The worst that would happen to him is that he'd be blown backwards. Nagato can very easily pull Madara out of Susanoo with Bansho Tenin. And of course, Perfect Susanoo can be absorbed in a time period consisting of seconds.

You simply can not back up EMS Madara winning with what we have seen so far. The statement would have to be full of assumptions that are easily rebuked with all the feats Nagato has. Once VotE comes around, you should ask again.

I'm bored and I need someone to debate with :\

 

[TheSages456]

Ems madara wins. Those spirit dragons are blocked by ribcage susano. Nagato cant survive the shockwaves from perfect susanos sword slash.

 

[Strict]

I hate to say it, but Preta path.
Plus, Pain went against Kyuubi without gedo mazou.
The only thing Madara has going is Nagato's limited mobility when using Gedo Mazou. But then again, Nagato probably won't need to use it until the end.

Just look at Susanoos force, it doesn't even have to touch Nagato, a single swing in Nagatos direction would already be enough to crush him together with the surroundings, after all it cut two distant mountains without even touching them, with a mere shock wave. And I don't see Preta-Path helping him against this.

 

[SilverSlick]

Rinnegan>EMS

Seriously, people with Rinnegan are in leagues of their own

No one can touch
Nagato
Tobi
Rinnegan Madara

Except Kabuto of course. And maybe Naruto with the help of Kurama.

 

[TheSages456]

Ems madara wins. Spirit dragons are blocked by ribcage susano. Nagato dies from perfect susanos sword slash

 

[OnPoint]

All ninjutsu, Katons and the like, are fodderized by Preta Path. This includes Susanoo. Madara is pretty low on decent attacks. Nagato would very quickly overwhelm his pre-perfect Susano'o skillset.

 

[Hipster Madara]

Just look at Susanoos force, it doesn't even have to touch Nagato, a single swing in Nagatos direction would already be enough to crush him together with the surroundings, after all it cut two distant mountains without even touching them, with a mere shock wave. And I don't see Preta-Path helping him against this.

He can dodge it while he is flying then come in and absorb it with preta path.
I'm so tired right now so that's all i got...

 

[hatake89]

nagato low diff

 

[VangBro95]

Madara has Perfect Susanoo but no rinnegan?

 

[6 Paths of Pain]

Easy Nagato Ems Madara PS can't do sh*t to Gedo Mazo

 

[Strict]

Not only is Perfect Susanoo's shockwave counterable via Shinra Tensei, Nagato can avoid serious damage by taking to the air if such an attack occurs. The worst that would happen to him is that he'd be blown backwards. Nagato can very easily pull Madara out of Susanoo with Bansho Tenin. And of course, Perfect Susanoo can be absorbed in a time period consisting of seconds.

The Sharingan has a great insight and can follow any of the opponents movements; Sasuke could even follow Raikage A's movements to a certain point and even hit him, while the others couldn't even follow them. So it would be an ease for Madara to aim for Nagato. Especially since the perfect Susanoo doesn't even need a direct slash but can just swing his sword in order to cause an impact to the whole surroundings.

And to put Madara out of Susanoo, he would have to fly up towards him, and as I said this would be quite impossible. How do you imagine this fight? Do you think Nagato could simply fly up to Madara and pull him out of Susanoo without Madara would make any actions? Quite pathetic. Above Susanoo can even act if Madara is outside, means catch Madara and go for an attack against Nagato as well.

This just shows how overestimated Nagato is in the end.

 

[TobisPawn]

Madara's Perfect Susanoo is sluggish other than the swing of its sword. Asura Path rockets constantly keeping Nagato on the move should make it hard enough for Madara to get a good shot in with his sword. And its still not a definite kill unless he straight up hits Nagato, as shown by the Kages. A Shinra Tensei to the side of the sword when its in mid-swing should offset Madara's Susanoo and cause it to lose balance.

Seeing that Gedo Mazo is hollow, it can be used as a last resort. But I don't see Nagato needing it. All he has to do is hit a Shinra Tensei on Susanoo's legs or whatnot to topple it. One Susanoo's down, Nagato creates a Preta Path barrier and heads to the jewel where Madara is. That specific area is absorbed while any of Madara's Ninjutsu is too, letting Nagato get a Human Path finish.

 

[OnPoint]

The Sharingan has a great insight and can follow any of the opponents movements; Sasuke could even follow Raikage A's movements to a certain point and even hit him, while the others couldn't even follow them. So it would be an ease for Madara to aim for Nagato. Especially since the perfect Susanoo doesn't even need a direct slash but can just swing his sword in order to cause an impact to the whole surroundings.

And to put Madara out of Susanoo, he would have to fly up towards him, and as I said this would be quite impossible. How do you imagine this fight? Do you think Nagato could simply fly up to Madara and pull him out of Susanoo without Madara would make any actions? Quite pathetic. Above Susanoo can even act if Madara is outside, means catch Madara and go for an attack against Nagato as well.

This just shows how overestimated Nagato is in the end.

Well, after looking through this mess, I can already see that some of your points have already been answered. What can Madara do if Nagato is airborne? A perfect Susanoo slash cannot kill him, the best it could do is blow him back. And i've already explained that it is counterable via Shinra Tensei. If Madara dares to try and physically hit Nagato with Susanoo, Preta Path fodderizes it, rather quickly may I add. Susanoo would destabilize and Madara would be left open for the kill.

It's not surprising you take this view, considering you believe Itachi stands a chance against Nagato.

 

[Strict]

Madara's Perfect Susanoo is sluggish other than the swing of its sword. Asura Path rockets constantly keeping Nagato on the move should make it hard enough for Madara to get a good shot in with his sword. And its still not a definite kill unless he straight up hits Nagato, as shown by the Kages. A Shinra Tensei to the side of the sword when its in mid-swing should offset Madara's Susanoo and cause it to lose balance.

And here you can't understand simply things. The Sharingan has a great insight which was even able to follow A's movements, what absolutely isn't comparable with Asura-Path. Next point, the perfect Susanoo doesn't even need to aim at Nagato since a mere swing cause an impact to the whole surrounding - The Susanoos first slash wasn't in any way purposed to kill the Kages but only to demonstrate its power. And last but not least Susanoo possesses two swords with which it can go on berserk.

Already the four tailed Naruto turned the force of Devas Shinra Tensei back, so you may consider the strength Nagato will need in order to repel the force which is used by only one swing of a sword Susanoo is using with one hand.

If Susanoo will took his sword in both hands in order to attack Nagato, do you think he would survive while the 5 Kages would not? I don't think so.

And @Shodaime, I won't repeat myself. I don't see why Madara wouldn't hit Nagato easily due to the great insight of his Sharingan, whereby even Sasuke could follow A's movements to a certain point. Besides Madara isn't using his perfect Susanoo only, he has an arsenal which is consisting out of Genjutsus, Katon-Jutsus and Amaterasu, too. You may will tell me that Nagato will counter all of them but this is also just in theory.

There won't be a problem for Madara to hit Nagato by Amaterasu for example
while he is flying up towards him. Sure you will tell me that Nagato will repel it with Shinra Tensei, but this flame will cause damage and Pain anyway and force Nagato to handle it with his Shinra Tensei, leaving an great opening for Madara.

And your last statement just shows your level my dear.

You are simply not able to imagine a realistic fight but reduce it to a Ninjutsu spam, as always. By acknowledging the strategical part, you could realize that Itachi would even be able to outsmart someone like Nagato with explosive Kagebunshins, what doesn't mean that he would beat Nagato in the end.

More I don't have to say actually since I know how this Debate would end.