[VS] Nagato vs Base Hashirama

[Strict]

Nagato destroys the forest with a Shinra Tensei and loses Deva-Path's abilities due to the interval, which makes him a real fodder for Hashirama.

Didn't Hashirama canonically beat Edo Madara, who has Rinnegan, EMS and Mokuton?

So is Nagato > Edo Madara? Seems legit.

 

[Oblivionx]

Nagato destroys the forest with a Shinra Tensei and loses Deva-Path's abilities due to the interval, which makes him a real fodder for Hashirama.

or takes flight and uses CT...

Didn't Hashirama canonically beat Edo Madara, who has Rinnegan, EMS and Mokuton?

So is Nagato > Edo Madara? Seems legit.

not canonically..
in cannon madara only used susano and preta at the end of battle, you can say hashirama didn't use SS either but then limbo, mokuton, ST, CT n other paths weren't used either....
madara was buying time for obito to be weakened...
madara was playing around with SM hashirama and was fighting only for enjoyment so he had no need to finish off SM hashirama while hashirama on the other hand did...
naruto used a giant FRS on madara after which SM hashirama was able to pin down madara...
in the end it turned out that madara wasn't pinned down at all....
so at the very most it was a draw and that's being generous...

 

[Strict]

Madara couldn't use Limbo in Edo state, he demonstrated the full power of the Rinnegan the moment he got his Rinnegan back in alive state. Madara's intention was to buying time, yes, but there was no reason to hold back and lose the battle. If he could've beaten Hashirama, he would've done it. Madara's full power in Edo Tensei was still the perfect Susanoo, and Madara said, that only Hashirama could stop him. If Hashirama can stop an almost mountain sized construct of Chakra which slices mountain ranges, than something like Nagato's Shinra Tensei won't stop him.

And the wood Dragon can be used in base as well btw.

Chibaku Tensei is countered by Hashirama's ability to merge with the surroundings, such as his Mokuton. How will Chibaku Tensei crush Hashirama, if he

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and weaves himself with a huge amount of tendrils? He can create an amount of tendrils which cover a whole battlefield (Flower tree World) and is also able to create tendrils with the thickness of Kyuubi. Chibaku Tensei will suck the forest up but Hashirama, who will be merged with a huge amount of tendrils, will be protected. Unless you believe that the gravitation would magically crush the whole tree world into small pieces. But then, Chibaku Tensei would have shattered the rocks of which it consists into small pieces as well.

 

[genii96]

You mean like how Edo Madara failed to absorb the miniature dragon?

Preta ain't absorbing sh*t, especially when Madara's absorption is way greater than nagato's.

Madara said that the wooden dragon is what subdued the full ninetails, something Nagato could never do.



You mean just like how there is no such thing yin yang element.

There's yin element and yang element, just like the water/earth element scan you brought up.

Nagato isn't proficient in any genjustu, especially when he got his @ss kicked by every single one.

Lol,last i checked madara failed to absorb it because it was absorbing his own chakra,which hashirama noted to prevent madara from using any jutsu at all,he didnt even use preta. Madara's absorption is far greater?,based on what exactly? Him absorbing an frs?,or a jinton?

Wood dragon got one paneled by full kurama, nagato cant subdue kurama? Couple of chakra chains and kurama is his b*tch.


Nagato isnt proficient in genjutsu?,that must be why he could put genjutsus blocks at such high level that inoichi had trouble going through them,and this was on a genin level shinobi.
Lol,he got beat by toad chant,which would one panel any one else. Itachi got a** raped by a much weaker sound gen

yin/yang is the source of all non elemental techs. You mind telling me what chakra nature nagato uses for his shapeshifting tech?,or ios demonic lantern tech? If it isnt yin/yang?.

His use of GENJUTSU blocks in the manga show he uses yin release,so i dont see what you are trying to argue.

 

[FloriGlori]

It should be obvious by now that even base Hashirama shatters Nagato with no more than medium difficulty. This was settled long ago. How is Chibaku Tensei even an argument, considering Hashirama has three ways to easily get rid of it?

• As Strict already mentioned, simply melting with the environment using his unique genes. That not only works with trees, but just as well with rocks [
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  ]. Chibaku Tensei is deadly because it grinds the victim between the rubble it gathers; hidden within those rocks, however, Hashirama is perfectly shielded.

• Using Houbi no Jutsu to guard himself. The technique consists of multiple layers [
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  ], of which even the first one easily endured the sheer pressure and raw force of Kyuubi's Bijuu Dama [
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  ]. The pressure of those rocks isn't even remotely crushing Hashirama's defense. While under the shield he also has plenty of time to mold Senchakra, in case it's unrestricted, enforcing Houbi no Jutsu even further. He then waits for Nagato to tire or uses one of the other two methods to escape the sphere.

• He creates a tendril and has it drill through the rocks like
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  , all the way down to the core. Which is then absorbed. The tendril might as well simply crush or pierce it. Mokuton demonstrated that it's strong enough to easily pierce rock even without any prior cracks. By making it grow continuously, its momentum won't even decrease.

Apart from that I cannot be bothered to list the reasons for which Nagato doesn't stand a chance; there are just too many.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Lmfao a base hashirama is not stomping Nagato who is healthy .....

If hashirama does win (too many variables to decide) it is no less then high diff ..

 

[VongolaX]

Lol,last i checked madara failed to absorb it because it was absorbing his own chakra,which hashirama noted to prevent madara from using any jutsu at all,he didnt even use preta. Madara's absorption is far greater?,based on what exactly? Him absorbing an frs?,or a jinton?

No, based on absorbing raw senjustu chakra.

Something that preta failed to do....:|

Do you need a scan for that reminder?

When sm naruto's senjustu chakra was too much for preta, yet Madara belittled Hashirama's?

Wood dragon got one paneled by full kurama, nagato cant subdue kurama? Couple of chakra chains and kurama is his b*tch.

Nagato can't use chakra chains, he lacks the complete control of Gedo no Justu.

Nagato gets violated like he did with half chakra tailed naruto( who was not controlled either).

He admitted inferiority to that half powered fox, it didn't even reach nine then either.

Nagato isnt proficient in genjutsu?,that must be why he could put genjutsus blocks at such high level that inoichi had trouble going through them,and this was on a genin level shinobi.
Lol,he got beat by toad chant,which would one panel any one else. Itachi got a** raped by a much weaker sound gen

You mean the only feat he has, is some blockade?

So that makes him proficient?

Huge wank boy if you compare itachi to Nagato in genjustu, because he would clearly kick his @ss in that area neg diff.

Nagato can't use genjustu in a battle, he failed against the frog chant which is inferior to ocular genjustus

Itachi on the other hand didn't get caught in a genjustu because:

1. He's Edo tensei

2. He told Sasuke that you can't cast a genjustu on someone with the same eyes as you

So if your that senile, the big news is that it was inzanami all along......Like he stated in the manga.

yin/yang is the source of all non elemental techs. You mind telling me what chakra nature nagato uses for his shapeshifting tech?,or ios demonic lantern tech? If it isnt yin/yang?.

How about you read the databook...

Lantern technique isn't a yin yang technique, it's just a basic rinnegan technique.

It's like you calling Madara's limbo a yin yang technique.

His use of GENJUTSU blocks in the manga show he uses yin release,so i dont see what you are trying to argue.

Didn't see him block toad chant twice....

More fan fic as usual...,

Nagato still doesn't have yin yang release

Because we all know that yin yang element doesn't exhaust. :|

 

[KidGamer65]

Lmfao a base hashirama is not stomping Nagato who is healthy .....

If hashirama does win (too many variables to decide) it is no less then high diff ..

As others have stated. Its a mid diff win...at the very best.

 

[Strict]

Let's put it in a nutshell: Hashirama counters Chibaku Tensei, Gakido can't absorb wood and after each Shinra Tensei, Deva-Path's abilities are restricted - interval depended on the power. Let Nagato crush the Mokujin, and Nagato has no Deva-Path abilities for a considerble period.

These are your so called "many variables".

 

[genii96]

No, based on absorbing raw senjustu chakra.

Something that preta failed to do....:|

Do you need a scan for that reminder?

When sm naruto's senjustu chakra was too much for preta, yet Madara belittled Hashirama's?



Nagato can't use chakra chains, he lacks the complete control of Gedo no Justu.

Nagato gets violated like he did with half chakra tailed naruto( who was not controlled either).

He admitted inferiority to that half powered fox, it didn't even reach nine then either.



You mean the only feat he has, is some blockade?

So that makes him proficient?

Huge wank boy if you compare itachi to Nagato in genjustu, because he would clearly kick his @ss in that area neg diff.

Nagato can't use genjustu in a battle, he failed against the frog chant which is inferior to ocular genjustus

Itachi on the other hand didn't get caught in a genjustu because:

1. He's Edo tensei

2. He told Sasuke that you can't cast a genjustu on someone with the same eyes as you

So if your that senile, the big news is that it was inzanami all along......Like he stated in the manga.




How about you read the databook...

Lantern technique isn't a yin yang technique, it's just a basic rinnegan technique.

It's like you calling Madara's limbo a yin yang technique.



Didn't see him block toad chant twice....

More fan fic as usual...,

Nagato still doesn't have yin yang release

Because we all know that yin yang element doesn't exhaust. :|

1) gakido absorbed a full sage mode transformation from naruto. Naruto just kep reabsorbing and it became too much,madara absorbed hashirama's sage mode once,hashi didnt absorb more, and sage mode is something you learn,nagato didnt have the liberty to learn it unlike madara who even had hashi's dna. Madara's body can handle senjutsu better,dosent mean his preta is better,by feats nagato is above.This is base hashirama anyway,so senjutsu isnt even a factor.

2) lacks control of gedo based on what?,he summons and uses it through an astral projection but cant use it well? Right. Deva already trapped the kyubi and was about make his CT bigger to contain it,yet he was violated?,right.

3)so because he isnt as good as itachi in genjutsu,he isnt proficient?,Lol. Inoichi comfired that his genjutsu blocks were of a high level,so your opinion is void. He dosent use genjutsu offencively.
You are joking if you think a normal occular genjutsu is above toad chant
Er what? KA is a genjutsu,wasnt that what freed itachi?.Lol
Itachi got caught in sound gen and needed sasuke's help to break free,period.

The use of genjutsu in any way means the person uses yin release. Not stopping toad chant as your basis is pointeless,almost anyone else would have been caught.

CT onepanels hashirama

 

[VongolaX]

1) gakido absorbed a full sage mode transformation from naruto. Naruto just kep reabsorbing and it became too much,madara absorbed hashirama's sage mode once,hashi didnt absorb more, and sage mode is something you learn,nagato didnt have the liberty to learn it unlike madara who even had hashi's dna. Madara's body can handle senjutsu better,dosent mean his preta is better,by feats nagato is above.This is base hashirama anyway,so senjutsu isnt even a factor.

Senjustu isn't a factor, but this is a test to see who's absorption is better.

Last time I checked, Original owner>>>>>borrower.

So it's not up for debate on who is stronger.

Madara was also absorbing Hashirama's senjustu ever since Edo tensei, then when revived he soaked it all up.

Hashirama's sagemode is something you learn to, Even Tobirama reflected on naruto about how he use to train with his brother in sagemode.

2) lacks control of gedo based on what?,he summons and uses it through an astral projection but cant use it well? Right. Deva already trapped the kyubi and was about make his CT bigger to contain it,yet he was violated?,right.

He summoned it up towards his torso and do what?

That's something that MS Obito did by himself easily.

Madara told Obito that you can't control the Gedo well without uchiha/senju DNA...meaning kekkai genkai (both eyes and uchiha blood).

Just like how rinnegan Obito used the statue to its fullest extent.

He made it completely mobile and used it to control bijuus easily, which was noted by Kakashi to take up so much chakra that the six path Justu would be impossible to use.

Nagato used it and nearly died, as pain he needed all of akatsuki to extract a beast.

Obito did it with only zetsu and kisame.

Now as for the ct, pain said he need to make it bigger.

Yet he failed and called his ct pathetic to the sage, Nagato then humbles his defeat by admitting that the kyuubi is stronger than ct.

In the end...half of those rocks were shadow clones. Lol

So yes, violated is the create term...

3)so because he isnt as good as itachi in genjutsu,he isnt proficient?,Lol. Inoichi comfired that his genjutsu blocks were of a high level,so your opinion is void. He dosent use genjutsu offencively.
You are joking if you think a normal occular genjutsu is above toad chant
Er what? KA is a genjutsu,wasnt that what freed itachi?.Lol
Itachi got caught in sound gen and needed sasuke's help to break free,period.

The use of genjutsu in any way means the person uses yin release. Not stopping toad chant as your basis is pointeless,almost anyone else would have been caught.

CT onepanels hashirama

What..? Hahaha

Well, no he isn't proficient in genjustu if he fell for the same one twice.

Databook confirms that ocular genjustu is superior to any other non ocular genjustu.

KA is an ocular genjustu, so you just further proved my point.

You can't cast a genjustu on a Edo tensei and itachi was never in a genjustu in the first place. :|

It was inzanami just like the manga stated and itachi stated.

As far as I'm concerned, manga>>>you period.

^^completely irrelevant by the way, try to keep focus here this is Hashirama vs Nagato

Ct is completely useless to someone who can merge with the land and has a wooden dragon that is twice the size of ct.

Note: @bolded just stated that everyone who uses genjustu has yin element