Nagato question

[HNIC]

Now that I think about it, how did all paths have rinnsegan? Also, seeing as possessing two are hard enough he managed to have multiple corpse walk around with two themselves. This really had must've kept him at a weakened state majority of the series.

Is this why Naruto said Nagato>Pein? Obviously his chakra isn't divided, so he'd have more power and control as an individual and the 5 second interval probably wouldn't be an issue.

I still say Nagato has handicapped the entire series for the sake of plot.

 

[BLAZE]

Yes i agree

 

[Out Of Ctrl]

Now that I think about it, how did all paths have rinnsegan? Also, seeing as possessing two are hard enough he managed to have multiple corpse walk around with two themselves. This really had must've kept him at a weakened state majority of the series.

Is this why Naruto said Nagato>Pein? Obviously his chakra isn't divided, so he'd have more power and control as an individual and the 5 second interval probably wouldn't be an issue.

I still say Nagato has handicapped the entire series for the sake of plot.

Yes he's been handicapped from the start. Something that most people overlook is how OP Nagato can be.

 

[HNIC]

Yes i agree

At least some people agree with this

Yes he's been handicapped from the start. Something that most people overlook is how OP Nagato can be.

Kish needed the final villain to appear stringer somehow

 

[VongolaX]

Nagato was using the black rods for his six path powers.

Remember in chapter 606 page 15-16, Madara said he will teach Obito Rikudou Justus?

Then he said when you are using the rikudou Justus, use the black rod (coming out of the hashi clones navel) right?

Well that is what pain was doing, using the black rods infused in his back, Nagato used the black rods for the Rikudou Justu.

His was unique though, he put them into corpse and split the powers, creating his own technique Rikudou Pain.

Other than that, Madara/Obito have been using their own body.

 

[HNIC]

Nagato was using the black rods for his six path powers.

Remember in chapter 606 page 15-16, Madara said he will teach Obito Rikudou Justus?

Then he said when you are using the rikudou Justus, use the black rod (coming out of the hashi clones navel) right?

Well that is what pain was doing, using the black rods infused in his back, Nagato used the black rods for the Rikudou Justu.

His was unique though, he put them into corpse and split the powers, creating his own technique Rikudou Pain.

Other than that, Madara/Obito have been using their own body.

Yes, that's the main point. He divided this power, which in itself is a power/chakra surge. With his chakra having to surge into the corpses, exactly how weakened were they in comparison to a solo user?

 

[VongolaX]

Yes, that's the main point. He divided this power, which in itself is a power/chakra surge. With his chakra having to surge into the corpses, exactly how weakened were they in comparison to a solo user?

The only difference in power is how quickly he can use each technique and combining each technique effiecently.

Example: Kabuto used Nagato disadvantage to move on his own by making him ride inside of animal path invisible chameleon to use Shrina tensei.

That's being resourceful on top of powerful...

His Shrina tensei is a move that is limited towards his center, but through his eyes (instead of the black rods) his center or bubble if you would have it, expanded.

(You can even tell in the video game, compare Edo nagato's st to pains st)

The interval time though doesn't change, but he can still use 5 other path abilities until 5 sec restoration is complete.

(As seen used against bee)

 

[Zol]

Now that I think about it, how did all paths have rinnsegan? Also, seeing as possessing two are hard enough he managed to have multiple corpse walk around with two themselves. This really had must've kept him at a weakened state majority of the series.
Is this why Naruto said Nagato>Pein? Obviously his chakra isn't divided, so he'd have more power and control as an individual and the 5 second interval probably wouldn't be an issue.

I still say Nagato has handicapped the entire series for the sake of plot.

Actually, it's exactly the other way round: He used the path jutsu and divided the abilities onto the six bodies because he was too weak to use them by himself.

And the paths of course had no actual Rinnegan eyes.

 

[TrollKing]

Yes he's been handicapped from the start. Something that most people overlook is how OP Nagato can be.

All power straight from madara, you should change that word to madara

 

[mohdzarif]

Actually, it's exactly the other way round: He used the path jutsu and divided the abilities onto the six bodies because he was too weak to use them by himself.

And the paths of course had no actual Rinnegan eyes.

Not true.

He got crippled by Hanzo and Gedo Mazou. Losing mobility, he needed puppets bodies.

So using six puppet bodies lowered his burden now? What kind of logic is that? Controlling the bodies gave more burden that using the paths by his own body.

And Edo Nagato was able to use multiple paths with his own body.

Other than that, Madara/Obito have been using their own body.

Nagato used his own body too before he got crippled by Hanzo and Gedo Mazou.

And Edo Nagato was even shown to be able to use multiple paths at the same time.

 

[Zol]

Not true.

He got crippled by Hanzo and Gedo Mazou. Losing mobility, he needed puppets bodies.

So using six puppet bodies lowered his burden now? What kind of logic is that? Controlling the bodies gave more burden that using the paths by his own body.

And Edo Nagato was able to use multiple paths with his own body.



Nagato used his own body too before he got crippled by Hanzo and Gedo Mazou.

And Edo Nagato was even shown to be able to use multiple paths at the same time.

He couldn't use the abilities by himsef, not because of the cripplement in itself but because of the connection with the Gedo Mazou, which sucked him dry visibly. So, he developed the paths technique.

As an Edo, he was in his prime state with unlimited chakra, so he could use the Rinnegan's powers by himself...

 

[mohdzarif]

He couldn't use the abilities by himsef, not because of the cripplement in itself but because of the connection with the Gedo Mazou, which sucked him dry visibly. So, he developed the paths technique.

As an Edo, he was in his prime state with unlimited chakra, so he could use the Rinnegan's powers by himself...

What did you mean by "sucked him dry"? You mean he lost chakra? So what's the point of that. Chakra can be regenerated. If his chakra is dried forever than he's nothing but a dead man.

Seriously I don't understand what's your point there.

The obvious fact is he couldn't move by himself anymore because of the cripplement.

One more thing, he had used Rikudou jutsus before he got crippled. One of the proofs, he used Shinra Tensei to repel kunais from Hanzo's minions.

And it was the power of Rinnegan that save little Yahiko and him from that one shinobi. It was the Rinnegan that he was able to kill the 2 Konoha shinobis that killed his parents.

 

[Xāvî1]

Yes i agree

 

[enditallsin]

Kishi had to do it nagato would have been waaay to powerful, wouldn't have been fair...

 

[TrollKing]

Kishi had to do it nagato would have been waaay to powerful, wouldn't have been fair...

Nagato is far from too powerful. Just look at the original owner of nagato's eyes. He can solo almost everyone blindfolded

 

[enditallsin]

Nagato is far from too powerful. Just look at the original owner of nagato's eyes. He can solo almost everyone blindfolded

"Far from to powerful"?That's a pretty bold statement considering nagato in a weaken state through mere puppets solo'd two villages In his life time,killed a sannin, and took on the toad society,plus the power on the kyuubi.

 

[Zol]

What did you mean by "sucked him dry"? You mean he lost chakra? So what's the point of that. Chakra can be regenerated. If his chakra is dried forever than he's nothing but a dead man.

Seriously I don't understand what's your point there.

The obvious fact is he couldn't move by himself anymore because of the cripplement.

One more thing, he had used Rikudou jutsus before he got crippled. One of the proofs, he used Shinra Tensei to repel kunais from Hanzo's minions.

And it was the power of Rinnegan that save little Yahiko and him from that one shinobi. It was the Rinnegan that he was able to kill the 2 Konoha shinobis that killed his parents.

I'm not sure why you keep bringing up the fact that he could use the Rinnegan to begin with. Of course he could. It's just that after he was synched wth the Gedo Mazo he was severely weakened. He was visibly emaciated since that moment. He couldn't live up to his potential in using the Rinnegan ever after. Just think of Anakain Skywalker after he became Darth Vader...

 

[VongolaX]

Not true.

He got crippled by Hanzo and Gedo Mazou. Losing mobility, he needed puppets bodies.

So using six puppet bodies lowered his burden now? What kind of logic is that? Controlling the bodies gave more burden that using the paths by his own body.

And Edo Nagato was able to use multiple paths with his own body.



Nagato used his own body too before he got crippled by Hanzo and Gedo Mazou.

And Edo Nagato was even shown to be able to use multiple paths at the same time.

I know he used his original body for Outer path and st alone.

I'm helping OP better understand the difference of using the black rods for six path Justus, and just using the eye itself.

Madara taught Obito via rods, Obito bestowed that knowledge but changed it by using corpse.

Edo Nagato use the ocular power for six path Justus...

Re-read my post, I already stated that Nagato can use several paths in one body multiple times.

 

[ᖇ α z m α η]

Plot my friend.
Nagato would be a beast if he was not crippled by using the Gedou, Kishi had to nerf him somehow for Naruto to beat him during 'Invasion of Pain Arc'.

Still the eye belongs to Madara of course, so he can use it more efficiently than Nagato.

 

[HNIC]

The only difference in power is how quickly he can use each technique and combining each technique effiecently.

Example: Kabuto used Nagato disadvantage to move on his own by making him ride inside of animal path invisible chameleon to use Shrina tensei.

That's being resourceful on top of powerful...

His Shrina tensei is a move that is limited towards his center, but through his eyes (instead of the black rods) his center or bubble if you would have it, expanded.

(You can even tell in the video game, compare Edo nagato's st to pains st)

The interval time though doesn't change, but he can still use 5 other path abilities until 5 sec restoration is complete.

(As seen used against bee)

How can we assume the interval remains the same when we know using it depends on the build up of chakra? Seeing a Nagato's chakra was diminished and divided, the interval could have been the only backlash.