Nagato Overrated!! 1 vs 1

[Mercury Uzumaki]

off topic but how can hashirama beat Nagato? Mokuton has a very high chance of being absorbed by the preta path, and if the 1st doesnt have Mokuton, he's not beating anybody

One of the paths may be able to absorb Mokuton, but i think Hashi would identify that and take that path out. The was he uses Mokuton is very defensive, I believe its actually a defensive jutsu. His contract seal are a bunch of swords which he then uses Mokuton like chakra arms to attack with. These attacks can be pushed away but not absorbed. But Hashi also has major chakra reserves so he can keep the vines coming pain still has to wait 5 seconds before using His push (chibaku tensei?) leaving an oppening for the vines, or maybe even for him to take out 1 path under his barrier. I also think when it comes to defense Hashi may even be the strongest. Gaara's sand pretty tough and Sasunoo but he took a TBB from the 9 tails without effecting his barrier to much. I think Hasho offense would make Nagato use a lot of his chakra, to destroy Hashi's pollen he would have to use the attack he took Konoha out with which takes major chakra at that scale. I think it would really be a great 1 vs 1 battle and fun to watch.

 

[Mercury Uzumaki]

If naruto is stronger than nagato then obviously sasuke is also stronger than him. I think

Hasirama
madara
naruto
tobi
sasuke

are stronger than him. Seroiusly nagato deserves sixth place ignoring sage of six paths. Even with all Intel Jman can't defeat nagato or atleast all of six paths in same time.

I like your list

 

[Cpt Long Schlong]

I've tried to adress all arguments I went back and checked out your and thought I adressed them if I didn't i Apoligize.I think he's close to top 5 but not quite there. I dont think I ignored to many points , I have pages of comments just respondint to others points.I also believe my arguments are very valid and make sense.

How would you rank these shinobi's?

Tobi
Kabuto
Naruto
Sasuke
Hashirama
Madara
Nagato

I want to see your List. and do you agree these are the top 7? I havn't seen enough from a couple other character to add them in like Hirizun in his prime although im sure he was powerful and some of the other Kages.

1 - Tobi / Kabuto
2 - Kabuto / Tobi
3 - (Edo) Madara
4 - Nagato
5 - Hashirama
6 - Naruto
7 - Sasuke

Although I'm pretty sure Hiruzen > Sasuke, Itachi > Sasuke

 

[Mercury Uzumaki]

Your tone made it perfectly clear that you think Nagato barely scrapes the top 10 hence why I think you are deluded. And I still believe that you are deluded because of your comments such as "Itachi and Nagato are neck and neck" U_U

If you are one of those people who believe everything that happens in the manga as fact and doesnt have the awareness of plot-no jutsu then you are naive mate. For instance there are numerous times in the series where Naruto could've easily died but he is still standing alive because he is the main character with plot-shield on.

And no I'm not biased as I'm aware that few people could beat Nagato.

I really dont think he barely makes the top 10 I think he's 7th (maybe 8th). Tsukuyomi is also a very dangerous Jutsu's and Shisui eye also, just think if Itachi were to use Shisui eyes against Nagato Instead of the way he gave it to Naruto to stop Sasuke as part of the plot no jutsu. Im not convinced that he could stop Itachi it's has been shown in the anime he is supceptable to genjutsu. I think Using your logic you have to take things like this into consideration as well.

1 - Tobi / Kabuto
2 - Kabuto / Tobi
3 - (Edo) Madara
4 - Nagato
5 - Hashirama
6 - Naruto
7 - Sasuke

Although I'm pretty sure Hiruzen > Sasuke, Itachi > Sasuke

I like your list. The only thing we dont see eye to eye on is Nagato. Id bump Hashi up and put Nagato under Sasuke but reallisticaly it's a difference of 3 spots . I dont count Edo Madara cause thats also because of Kabuto. I think Madara alone without the Edo was strong enough to make the list. Im not sure how much he suffered at the lost to the 1st but he was strong enough or maybe even through experiments able to unlock the rinnegan. Not sure yet but Naruto may be stronger than Hashi with KM this is debatable. Mokuton is really a monster jutsu, but all the clones he can make plus that speed is also very dangerous. Maybe he passes Hashi when he can fully control the Kyubi

 

[Retsu]

One of the paths may be able to absorb Mokuton, but i think Hashi would identify that and take that path out. The was he uses Mokuton is very defensive, I believe its actually a defensive jutsu. His contract seal are a bunch of swords which he then uses Mokuton like chakra arms to attack with. These attacks can be pushed away but not absorbed. But Hashi also has major chakra reserves so he can keep the vines coming pain still has to wait 5 seconds before using His push (chibaku tensei?) leaving an oppening for the vines, or maybe even for him to take out 1 path under his barrier. I also think when it comes to defense Hashi may even be the strongest. Gaara's sand pretty tough and Sasunoo but he took a TBB from the 9 tails without effecting his barrier to much. I think Hasho offense would make Nagato use a lot of his chakra, to destroy Hashi's pollen he would have to use the attack he took Konoha out with which takes major chakra at that scale. I think it would really be a great 1 vs 1 battle and fun to watch.

Nagato would absorb any mokuton jutsu powering him up in the process, he's Uzumaki, so he's atleast equal to or slightly under hashi in terms of chakra levels, but he has Asura path, deva, and can remove your soul with 1 touch, honestly, if Nagato wouldn't have been wounded by Hanzo, I see no Shinobi that could surpass him, Nagato is the absolute worst match for Hashirama, He could fight both Hashi and Madara, and actually stands a chance to win, barring Sharinnegan Madara of course, he could burn those Mokuton forest down, but he'd probably just absorb them, is there anything that suggest Hashirama could fight Nagato 1 on 1 besides hype? I seriously doubt it

 

[Cpt Long Schlong]

I like your list. The only thing we dont see eye to eye on is Nagato. Id bump Hashi up and put Nagato under Sasuke but reallisticaly it's a difference of 3 spots . I dont count Edo Madara cause thats also because of Kabuto. I think Madara alone without the Edo was strong enough to make the list. Im not sure how much he suffered at the lost to the 1st but he was strong enough or maybe even through experiments able to unlock the rinnegan.

From what we know now, the fight was most probably a plan by Madara to get his cells to evolve his sharingan into Rinnegan. Also, Nagato absorbs chakra. So Mokuton can be absorbed, and this is Hashi's main form of attack (presumably) Anyway, I'm not getting into why I think that Nagato > Hashi, but for the love of Kishi, if you think Sasuke > Nagato then just :sy: Naruto and Bee also faced off a Nagato, remember what happened? And before you say "Kabuto made him like that" He didn't. Look at one of my recent posts.

 

[arv993]

top 5 is very subjective why do ppl yell at each other if someone like nagato is there.

There are ppl like naruto, madara, tobi and kabuto who are better than him as of now. and there are other extremely skilled ninjas like itachi, minato or hashirama who can also be part of the top 5 like nagato also. its pretty subjective in general IMO nagato is around that area but is definitely not better than tobi, madara, naruto and kabuto

 

[Retsu]

From what we know now, the fight was most probably a plan by Madara to get his cells to evolve his sharingan into Rinnegan. Also, Nagato absorbs chakra. So Mokuton can be absorbed, and this is Hashi's main form of attack (presumably) Anyway, I'm not getting into why I think that Nagato > Hashi, but for the love of Kishi, if you think Sasuke > Nagato then just :sy: Naruto and Bee also faced off a Nagato, remember what happened? And before you say "Kabuto made him like that" He didn't. Look at one of my recent posts.

Thank you... That means even those sleeping spores he made would do nothing but make Nagato Stronger, Hashirama can't do anything to Nagato with Wood Release.

 

[arv993]

From what we know now, the fight was most probably a plan by Madara to get his cells to evolve his sharingan into Rinnegan. Also, Nagato absorbs chakra. So Mokuton can be absorbed, and this is Hashi's main form of attack (presumably) Anyway, I'm not getting into why I think that Nagato > Hashi, but for the love of Kishi, if you think Sasuke > Nagato then just :sy: Naruto and Bee also faced off a Nagato, remember what happened? And before you say "Kabuto made him like that" He didn't. Look at one of my recent posts.

you do realize that naruto did not have his Km clones(10 of them) and his summons. that was not an all out fight by any means. nagato is not better than bee and naruto together. hell naruto in his current state beats nagato with difficulty. ppl forget simple facts like that

Thank you... That means even those sleeping spores he made would do nothing but make Nagato Stronger, Hashirama can't do anything to Nagato with Wood Release.

he can use his bringer of darkness but thats a different story

 

[Cpt Long Schlong]

top 5 is very subjective why do ppl yell at each other if someone like nagato is there.

There are ppl like naruto, madara, tobi and kabuto who are better than him as of now. and there are other extremely skilled ninjas like itachi, minato or hashirama who can also be part of the top 5 like nagato also. its pretty subjective in general IMO nagato is around that area but is definitely not better than tobi, madara, naruto and kabuto

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Nagato > Naruto

 

[Mercury Uzumaki]

I would like to see Hzun in his prime. I would think he would be more like a Minato, no Kekei Genkai Just a lot of intellect and a wealth of jutsu's. I know he did'nt have the speed Minato had so I wounder if I could ever place him higher than Minato. He was old so his chakra was declining but I wounder how much he had as a young man. Enma is a sick contract although I would rather have frogs because ultimately this leads to SM. And Naruto can summon a lot of frogs, makes good decoys. Although nowadays he can just make rediculously strong clones as decoys.

top 5 is very subjective why do ppl yell at each other if someone like nagato is there.

There are ppl like naruto, madara, tobi and kabuto who are better than him as of now. and there are other extremely skilled ninjas like itachi, minato or hashirama who can also be part of the top 5 like nagato also. its pretty subjective in general IMO nagato is around that area but is definitely not better than tobi, madara, naruto and kabuto

Agreed, also thought you a lot of great points.

 

[arv993]

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Nagato > Naruto

what a ignorant person lol

naruto> nagato

11 km clones, a bunch of sm clones, Bm mode and his summons beat nagato. that was not naruto at full power and if u believe that u r delusional. naruto can counter nagato's techs and has the advantage in speed, numbers and raw power nagato wont win in an all out fight.

 

[Out Of Ctrl]

I really dont think he barely makes the top 10 I think he's 7th (maybe 8th). Tsukuyomi is also a very dangerous Jutsu's and Shisui eye also, just think if Itachi were to use Shisui eyes against Nagato Instead of the way he gave it to Naruto to stop Sasuke as part of the plot no jutsu. Im not convinced that he could stop Itachi it's has been shown in the anime he is supceptable to genjutsu. I think Using your logic you have to take things like this into consideration as well.

Shisui's eyes can manipulate anybody, such as Madara, Tobi and Kabuto simply because of the ability of Koto-Amatsukami, so whats your point? Might as well put him in the top of everyone. Also KA can only be used once every 10 years so if your only chance failed then you're in trouble. You list out Tsukuyomi yet I could perfectly list out jutsu's of Rinnegan that are deadly against anyone.

Also the only time Nagato was caught in a Genjutsu was that of Jiraiya's (unless I missed something), you are acting as if that was a visual genjutsu when in fact it was sound. Almost anyone can get caught up in a sound Genjutsu, might as well chop off your ears? U_U

 

[Retsu]

he can use his bringer of darkness but thats a different story

If my sight went out from genjutsu and I had Rinnegan, I'd just use Shinra Tensei, immediately when my lights go out, now given the proximity hashirama has to be in to use the bringer of Darkness, I believe that would solve that small issue

 

[Cpt Long Schlong]

what a ignorant person lol

naruto> nagato

11 km clones, a bunch of sm clones, Bm mode and his summons beat nagato. that was not naruto at full power and if u believe that u r delusional. naruto can counter nagato's techs and has the advantage in speed, numbers and raw power nagato wont win in an all out fight.

The first part, are you talking about Pain? If you are, they didn't even beat Pain.
Nagato has one of the largest chakra pools in the series, even if Naruto has more, Preta path says hi, he also has more experience, more jutsu's, more intelligence and Gedo Mazo. I still don't think Naruto is stronger than Nagato yet. Also, what techs can Naruto counter, and how?

 

[Mercury Uzumaki]

Thank you... That means even those sleeping spores he made would do nothing but make Nagato Stronger, Hashirama can't do anything to Nagato with Wood Release.

Yeah Bringer of Darkness would give Nagato issues if Hashi could use it on all the paths(shared vision) unless he isolates the path. I also dont think it would be to hard for Hashi to start taking out clones though. I truly believe he could isolate each one and Systematicaly take out all the paths. Barrier into Bringer of Darkness into using mokuton to stab them or even earth Jutsu. Remeber how strong Oonuki
gets with his earth jutsu, imagine Hashi using that combo Mokuton and Earth jutsus could give Nagato major problem. Hashi still has water at the same time but I dont think it would work to much on Nagato. Moreso Earth and Wood and Sealing scrolls.

 

[arv993]

The first part, are you talking about Pain? If you are, they didn't even beat Pain.
Nagato has one of the largest chakra pools in the series, even if Naruto has more, Preta path says hi, he also has more experience, more jutsu's, more intelligence and Gedo Mazo. I still don't think Naruto is stronger than Nagato yet. Also, what techs can Naruto counter, and how?

Shinra tensei- beaten by kuruma as seen by six tails easily resistng and pushing back deva's shinra tensei

CT- he can destoy that with his large scale tbb or even a bunch of clones throwing rasenshuriken and now he has his own chakra plus kyubi to do this

preta path and human path-nagato has to be close to nagato to actually get all his chakra and naruto being one of the fastest ninja it aint gonna happen

And nagato's summons can be beaten by naruto's toad army especially if he has pa and ma

Naruto has many clones for distraction and has good counters to nagato and he can definitely hit nagato seeing his superiority in numbers, speed and even raw power now.

naruto can hit him with frog katas and having so many distractions and having an advantage in speed he can achieve that. and he can even attackl from kuruma's body which gives speed and protection such as

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[arv993]

If my sight went out from genjutsu and I had Rinnegan, I'd just use Shinra Tensei, immediately when my lights go out, now given the proximity hashirama has to be in to use the bringer of Darkness, I believe that would solve that small issue

and its a mid range jutsu but regardless he can defend easily with his mokuton techs

 

[Mercury Uzumaki]

Shinra tensei- beaten by kuruma as seen by six tails easily resistng and pushing back deva's shinra tensei

CT- he can destoy that with his large scale tbb or even a bunch of clones throwing rasenshuriken and now he has his own chakra plus kyubi to do this

preta path and human path-nagato has to be close to nagato to actually get all his chakra and naruto being one of the fastest ninja it aint gonna happen

And nagato's summons can be beaten by naruto's oad army especially if he has pa and ma

Naruto has many clones for distraction and has good counters to nagato and he can definitely hit nagato seeing his superiority in numbers, speed and even raw power now.

Agreed

 

[Retsu]

Kishi knew Nagato was OP, it's why during edo saga, of all edo's, Nagato was the only one emaciated, now all other edo's came back in their prime, but for the sake of plot, Nagato was pretty much an aids patient for the majority of his time as an edo, you know why this was right?

Cuz Nagato prime would've broken the story, Kishi had to handicap him, it had to be made evident that he's not in his prime, bcuz he's that powerful, honestly, Nagato has the tools with just his rinnegan to be the undisputed #1 ranked Shinobi, just imagine if he was the type to use shadow clones, it's so broken it's ridiculous, but none the less, barring main characters and villains, Nagato is top 3