Re: Enough, Naruto never has and Never Will beat Nagato.
Eventually naruto will surpass nagato because he is the main character.... But current naruto < healthy nagato. All nagato has to do is survive 5 minutes of bm, which shouldn't be difficult with preta path, summons, and deva, and then he owns km naruto....
Honestly, you opinions aside, Naruto will inevitably be (if he is not already) stronger than Nagato and every other character. this is going on the virtue of the show being called 'Naruto'. So saying "he will never surpass Nagato" is quite ridiculous IMO.
Honestly, you opinions aside, Naruto will inevitably be (if he is not already) stronger than Nagato and every other character. this is going on the virtue of the show being called 'Naruto'. So saying "he will never surpass Nagato" is quite ridiculous IMO.
Re: Enough, Naruto never has and Never Will beat Nagato.
well organized thread read the whole thing +rep though i hate to bring out the annoying plot no jutsu but naruto is the main character. he will eventually surpass nagato its only a matter of time. currently i agree with you do to your explanation but naruto will become stronger. how else do you think he will beat edo madara and tobi. he will pull something out of his ass if he ever has a rematch simple as that right now nagato has the edge but by the end of the series naruto>>>>>>>>>everybody
Do not bother posting if your not going to read. If you are a naruto Fanboy i strongly suggest you do read. If you are a hater, I suggest you take your business elsewhere.
So lately the Naruto bandwagon train has gotten out of control and I feel like I should slow it down with a serious speed bump. (I thought Uchiha fans were bad but this breed of narutards is on a whole nother level.)
The fact of the matter is, Indeed Naruto is strong, but he never has, and never will Beat Nagato. Here are some point's to support my statement.
1.Let's start back at the SM Naruto (and his summons) vs 6 Paths of Pain (handicapped)
Clearly you see it being stated the most powerful of the paths, Deva Path not being able to us his powers. (Hence why any path was taken out)
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In the end, once his powers returned look where Naruto is left off
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To Summarize, I hope you understand
The entire Fight pain had no intent to kill, but to capture.
Naruto would have been in that position since the start of the fight if Deva had his powers.
Pain says " I avoided any vital wounds" in other words he could have ended naruto's life right there if he wanted to, but of course plot requires the Akatsuki needing kurama.
2.Next, It took 8 Tails to get out of Celestiel Terra Blast and as Pain said, all he had to do was make a bigger one.
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Note: It may not seem like a valid point but we will get back to it further down this thread.
Yes I understand in the end he defeated pain, but only after every other path was gone (which they never would have if Deva had his powers from the start). Plus, it was Pain, NOT Nagato as he is still alive.
3. Now, on to the meeting. This has been one of the biggest trolls in Naruto history and is unforgivable. This is when Kishi went crazy. He creates the 3rd SO6P, a Mini God, Still one of the strongest Chars in Naruto today and he loses to WORDS? There is no denying plot no jutsu exists when one of the strongest characters just "disappears" because he had a conversation with a weaker opponent and felt SO BAD for destroying everything Naruto knew and loved, he gave up his life to bring everyone back.
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If your going to question whether Naruto could have defeated Nagato had they fought your wrong. Naruto had one more shot at SM which would not last him long enough to survive Nagato, he already lost 2 clones fighting 5 paths with Deva still alive and without his powers, he could not defeat Nagato who wields all their powers at once.
4. Now that we establish he defeated Pain (NOT Nagato) by plot, onto the war.
KM Naruto as well stands no Chance, while he showed some impressive feats such as surviving Bansho Tenin, He could do nothing to Nagato.
Exhibit A. he got caught by Asura path and was going to Die with the combo of Preta and Naraka Path.
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Exhibit B. Not only did he get caught, but continued failing by using his Rasengan despite having knowledge that Nagato could absorb it. Thus proving even if Naruto has some strenght to match Nagato, he has no brains whatsoever to keep up with him.
(P.S don't gimme that b.s that he was trying to see if Nagato was controlled, as in the next slide I show he was trapped for good, why would he put himself to be in a position he could not get out and die just to test if Nagato lost his personality?)
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Exhibit C. All this Time Itachi was free thanks to K.A, so this was all Nagato's doing. Not only did Naruto fail, but his not so smarter Teacher get's caught as well. (Honestly name anything they could have done to get out, they were getting their chakra sucked dry/ their souls)
(Another P.S that sm trick would not have worked since it was a summoning holding Naruto, and Preta path wouldbe used to just absorb attacks. Nagato was just sucking out his soul. Unlike Naruto he learns from his mistakes)
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Like I said, Killer Bee is of no use.
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Exhibit D. Oh look, as usual Itachi has to save them both. (Had it not been for Itachi, Naruto would have yet again died and the war would have been lossed)
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Exhibit E. Remember my CT point earlier? Here we see Naruto say " how it's on a whole nother level", meaning Nagato could have done this back in their previous fight.
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Once again, proving Naruto does not have the brains to defeat Nagato and looses his cool (as a shinobi never should). Meanwhile Itachi is solving every problem (the weakness, not needing to aim, etc)
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5. It is debatable whether current BM Naruto has the power to destroy CT by himself. Regardless he did not figure it out and showed no sign of ever figuring it out. Not to mention it was a1 v 3 for Nagato, as I said many times it would have been over a long time ago.
As for BM Naruto vs 100% Healthy Nagato.
One if it's Edo Nagato, he cannot win as he has no sealing techniques.
Preta Path cancels every attack Naruto has
The Summoning give him 100% vision to everything and can keep up with his speed
Shinra Tensei once again cancels everything, TBB or not.
Asura gives him advantage against multiple clones, with his arms and Missles to take out numerous Narutos
Naruto can do nothing against Human Path
He did not figure out how to stop CT and it would crush him.
I'd post pics On the last Part about BM but it's pretty self explanatory.
Arguments I will receive.
Yes preta path can infact absorb a TBB and all, it has never failed to absorb anything.
The Dog summoning will survive as Naruto has no way of gettng rid of them, so his 100% Vision will not go away.
Shinra tensei never failed to push anything
It's debatable whether he can stop CT even if he had info on it.
You may flame me, or somehow Change my mind (Although I doubt it) feel free to take this however you'd like.
First bold, Narutos sage tech would finish the fight in a second as it would turn him to stone like it did before, weather hes edo or not.
Ya ST is soooo strong that it could not stop the amount of clones naruto could produce during there last pein vs naruto fight
He now knows how to stop CT so that point is completely invalid
Also nakama path cant absorb is soul because kurama would protect it with his own.
Plus naruto could just summon ma and pa and have them play a song to sing nagato to bed and good by nagato.....
Re: Enough, Naruto never has and Never Will beat Nagato.
its funny how ppl can be so easily swayed with big words and a paragraph.
come on man the masked man demolishes nagato
and your totally making this battle in nagato's favor
if this is a fair realistic battle
1. nagato is crippled lol he has to get that chakra
(no itachi to help him get the battle started)
2. give naruto his credit he is fast as hell and he learns on the fly a lil bit lol im not gonna lie he is stupid but for being his first ninja war he's doing alright and also he didnt get slept like tsunade's lil bro lol
First bold, Narutos sage tech would finish the fight in a second as it would turn him to stone like it did before, weather hes edo or not.
Ya ST is soooo strong that it could not stop the amount of clones naruto could produce during there last pein vs naruto fight
He now knows how to stop CT so that point is completely invalid
Also nakama path cant absorb is soul because kurama would protect it with his own.
Plus naruto could just summon ma and pa and have them play a song to sing nagato to bed and good by nagato.....
Nagato knows of the nature chakra now, he wont just absorb and turn into stone.... Besides, do you really think nagato will let naruto stay perfectly still?
Yeah, the deva path that was half dead after destroying an entire village with one jutsu and fighting a bijuu.
Just because he knows how doesnt mean he will be able to damage the ct enough to destroy it.....
Kurama cant prevent naruto's soul from being torn out, i dont know where you got that idea....
And nagato is really going to let naruto stay with his hands stuck together for half an hour?
Re: Enough, Naruto never has and Never Will beat Nagato.
nah BM naruto>Nagato
shinra tensei is not all that, it did fail against kyuubi
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if you wanna say Nagato > pein
BM naruto>six tailed kyuubi
and also since we are talking about nagato here what will nagato do if naruto just decides to overwhelm nagato during the 5 second interval? (i do believe that the interval exists between two shinra tensei and the manga does not say that interval does not exist for nagato, just his techs are more powerful)
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it will be a close one, since they both have enormous raw power
don't judge naruto by the fight (barely) he had with edo nagato, cause they were chatting while exchanging jutsus
and it was not till naruto got pinned down that he realize that nagato was completely being controlled. He was still trying to talk to him in the hope that nagato comes to his senses
First bold, Narutos sage tech would finish the fight in a second as it would turn him to stone like it did before, weather hes edo or not.
Ya ST is soooo strong that it could not stop the amount of clones naruto could produce during there last pein vs naruto fight
He now knows how to stop CT so that point is completely invalid
Also nakama path cant absorb is soul because kurama would protect it with his own.
Plus naruto could just summon ma and pa and have them play a song to sing nagato to bed and good by nagato.....
Re: Enough, Naruto never has and Never Will beat Nagato.
A crippled Edo Nagato could still beat BM Naruto. Preta Path on his cloak would either take his entire cloak away or it would reduce his 5 minutes to like 1 max. Preta Path > TBB. Flying summon + shared vision > BM speed. He still wins, once Naruto gets the Juubi he'll win, not until then though.
Re: Enough, Naruto never has and Never Will beat Nagato.
Naruto WILL become stronger LATER to defeat nagato - but if ANY of you had read the OP you would realise that he's right - naruto is always going to win for plot - but realistically - every point he makes is valid and is very hard to argue against...
so to elaborate:
- his points are valid
- Nagato > Naruto up till Nagato was sealed
- You cant say he beats every Naruto and naruto will never beat him because u dont know how far naruto will go and plot will make him stronger - title needs changing
Clearly as Naruto said, Nagato's attacks are on a whole nother level. His Shinra Tensei would not get overwhelmed
if you wanna say Nagato > pein
BM naruto>six tailed kyuubi
and also since we are talking about nagato here what will nagato do if naruto just decides to overwhelm nagato during the 5 second interval? (i do believe that the interval exists between two shinra tensei and the manga does not say that interval does not exist for nagato, just his techs are more powerful)
And then whats naruto gonna do? Rasengan Nagato so he can Preta path ever attack Naruto has?
it will be a close one, since they both have enormous raw power
don't judge naruto by the fight (barely) he had with edo nagato, cause they were chatting while exchanging jutsus
and it was not till naruto got pinned down that he realize that nagato was completely being controlled. He was still trying to talk to him in the hope that nagato comes to his senses
shinra tensei is not all that, it did fail against kyuubi
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if you wanna say Nagato > pein
BM naruto>six tailed kyuubi
and also since we are talking about nagato here what will nagato do if naruto just decides to overwhelm nagato during the 5 second interval? (i do believe that the interval exists between two shinra tensei and the manga does not say that interval does not exist for nagato, just his techs are more powerful)
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it will be a close one, since they both have enormous raw power
don't judge naruto by the fight (barely) he had with edo nagato, cause they were chatting while exchanging jutsus
and it was not till naruto got pinned down that he realize that nagato was completely being controlled. He was still trying to talk to him in the hope that nagato comes to his senses
What techs can bm naruto use vs nagato? All of them are countered by preta path. Four tailed fox was able to repel deva path's st after deva used 1 jutsu to destroy a village.... And that was when nagato was sick too. So kurama > four tailed fox but healthy nagato >>>>>> sick, weak deva path.
Seriously that why tobi went to naruto because he wanted to know what he said to Nagato that changed him naruto couldn't beat pain by himself nor could he beat Nagato in buji or kuybi mode
