Nagato, Naruto and Sasuke vs Tobi, Minato and Hashirama

[6pathofpain]

Man it pains me to go against my nigga nagato but they cant win this one.

Minato is probably a lil faster the naruto an can seal the 9 tails chakra with ease an sage mode isnt enough to beat minato.
The 1st can seal the 9 tails chakra with ease an sage mode isnt enough to beat the 1st either.
Minato just out classes sasuke an so does the 1st an tobi. Tobi probably easier than minato.
Nagato is the only REAL problem,tobi may win but i doubt it. Tobi acknowledge that pain was stronger than him once before, an honestly adding the rinnegan doesnt change a whole lot because anything tobi can do with rinnegan nagato can counter easy.
Minato can beat nagato if he can get close for obvious reasons. He's a quick killing type unlike most people in naruto, an if he gets than seal on nagato or anyone else in naruto for that matter it's a wrap. But if nagato stays distant an no t even that, just doesnt get a seal put on em he'll win that fight i think.
The 1st honestly i just dont think has the right type of skills to win against nagato. He diffinitly wont go down easy but, nagato will win high difficulty.

All in all Tobi or The 1st or Minato will beat sasuke or naruto then its just nagato an agianst all three of them...he doesnt stand a chance...

 

[Microsword57]

Then what can suaske do to beat minato cause sasuke has EMS not unlimited chakra, he cant stay in suasnoo forever an nothing he can do will touch minato...

Well the point in what i was saying was that susanoo is a greater defense than people here tend to realize. Susanoo can be turned off therefore he doesnt have to waste charkra. Sasuke has shown that he turns it off when he doesnt need his defense or when his life isnt in danger for example talking:

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I posted the links so that it would show u the the first link is page 9 and the very next page sasuke released his susanoo even though itachi didnt sasuke knew/knows to conserve his charkra just like any knowledgable ninja.

Some may argue in that moment minato can attack sasuke in that instant its down but susanoo has shown signs of being able to appear instantly and unlike minato's instanteous speed, susanoos does not have to travel a distance. minato is running in the blink of an eye susanoo does not. Here is an example of susanoo appearing before the eye could see:

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Here is the page where the audience thought sasuke to be dead because we did not see the susanoo ribs appear and the people around such as the samuari around the fight couldnt even see the speed of the ribs appearing leading him to thinking sasuke was dead on the next page:

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And then on the page after this Kishi reveals to us the Susanoo Ribcage:

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My response to "how sasuke would defeat minato" well just like those who say minato would win i see sasuke using enton a couple of times attempting to hit minato. Sharinghan will pick up the muscle movement minato does before he teleports because sharighan is said to predict movement based on muscle movement. With the previous Enton/Blaze Release attacks sasuke used to attempt hitting Minato there will be alot of ammo(enton) for sasuke to manipulate on the ground to conserve charkra so he will not have to keep producing enton. This also benefits sasuke where it comes to enton covering most parts of the ground for multiple shots and manipulation of the flames how much space is left for minato to run on without being burned? Therefore as the battle continues Minato will be continuously put at an increase disadvatage. This could force minato to have to attack which is dangerous considering Sasukes Susanoo can be covered with Enton just as fast as the Ribcage can be formed.

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As Raikage is very close in the top panel and then in the panels below he seems to be in the exact same distance with that being said and how fast we know Raikage,being able to be have Amaterasu appear around susanoo before raikage could get closer is a massive speed feat.
Sasuke also has the Amaterasu covering the Susanoo that he can choose to use as a Ammo.

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[Lightning Release]

Draw.

 

[6pathofpain]

Well the point in what i was saying was that susanoo is a greater defense than people here tend to realize. Susanoo can be turned off therefore he doesnt have to waste charkra. Sasuke has shown that he turns it off when he doesnt need his defense or when his life isnt in danger for example talking:

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I posted the links so that it would show u the the first link is page 9 and the very next page sasuke released his susanoo even though itachi didnt sasuke knew knows to conserve his charkra just like any knowledgable ninja.

Some my argue in that moment minato can attack sasuke in that instant its down but susanoo has shown signs of being able to appear instantly and unlike minato's instanteous speed, susanoos does not have to travel a distance. minato is running in the blink of an eye susanoo does not. Here is an example of susanoo appearing before the eye could see:

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Here is the page where the audience thought sasuke to be dead because we did not see the susanoo ribs appear and the people around such as the samuari around the fight couldnt even see the speed of the ribs appearing leading him to thinking sasuke was dead on the next page:

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And then on the page after this Kishi reveals to us the Susanoo Ribcage:

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My response to "how sasuke would defeat minato" well just like those who say minato would win i see sasuke using enton a couple of times attempting to hit minato. Sharinghan will pick up the muscle movement minato does before he teleports because sharighan is said to predict movement based on muscle movement. With the previous Enton/Blaze Release attacks sasuke used to attempt hitting Minato there will be alot of ammo(enton) for sasuke to manipulate on the ground to conserve charkra so he will not have to keep producing enton. This also benefits sasuke where it comes to enton covering most parts of the ground for multiple shots and manipulation of the flames how much space is left for minato to run on without being burned? Therefore as the battle continues Minato will be continuously put at an increase disadvatage. This could force minato to have to attack which is dangerous considering Sasukes Susanoo can be covered with Enton just as fast as the Ribcage can be formed.

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As Raikage is very close in the top panel and then in the panels below he seems to be in the exact same distance with that being said and how fast we know Raikage being able to be having Amaterasu appear around susanoo before raikage could get closer is a massive speed feat.
Sasuke also has the Amaterasu covering the Susanoo that he can choose to use as a Ammo.

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That wouldnt work on minato...

Him running out of space would be a vaild argument if they were indoors. But seeing how the majority of naruto battles take place outdoors we can assume its out side.

Lets be real, suaske always tries to fight straight up with his sword in one on ones, there hasnt been one fight that he hasnt. And in a one on one straight up fight against minato he'll lose. Not just because minato's better, but becuase if minato lays a hand on him an tags him thats it. Just like when he tagged tobi an stabbed him before he could even go transparent. Sasuke wont react fast enough.

An to address the black flame an minato running outta space. Minato can throw like 30 seals at once like he did against A all out of the range of where the black flames are an escape. Sasuke cant hit all of em with amatserasu an quite honestly minato is not dumb enough to allow himself to get surround anyway. Come on the dude was a genius you really think he'd fall for something so simple? give em some credit.
An sasuke's sharingun cant keep up with everything as seen by his fight with killer bee. An minato has lightning fast reflexes...fact.

 

[Stark]

Two

 

[Invsblphntm]

If Tobi doesn't have the Biju/Gedo Mazo, Team 1 would win.

Nagato > Hashirama

Sasuke has the perfect counters for Minato.

Naruto can stall Tobi, much like he is doing right now

 

[6pathofpain]

If Tobi doesn't have the Biju/Gedo Mazo, Team 1 would win.

Nagato > Hashirama

Sasuke has the perfect counters for Minato.

Naruto can stall Tobi, much like he is doing right now

what counters for minato?

 

[Microsword57]

That wouldnt work on minato...

Him running out of space would be a vaild argument if they were indoors. But seeing how the majority of naruto battles take place outdoors we can assume its out side.

Lets be real, suaske always tries to fight straight up with his sword in one on ones, there hasnt been one fight that he hasnt. And in a one on one straight up fight against minato he'll lose. Not just because minato's better, but becuase if minato lays a hand on him an tags him thats it. Just like when he tagged tobi an stabbed him before he could even go transparent. Sasuke wont react fast enough.

An to address the black flame an minato running outta space. Minato can throw like 30 seals at once like he did against A all out of the range of where the black flames are an escape. Sasuke cant hit all of em with amatserasu an quite honestly minato is not dumb enough to allow himself to get surround anyway. Come on the dude was a genius you really think he'd fall for something so simple? give em some credit.
An sasuke's sharingun cant keep up with everything as seen by his fight with killer bee. An minato has lightning fast reflexes...fact.

The fact that their outside doesnt matter,reason why:

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I couldnt find the picture i wanted but this is the picture of the top where sasuke and itachi fought and itachi only did 1 Amaterasu and it spread this much, Amaterasu spreads alot just slowly which supports what i said that as the battle continues Minatos chances of winning gets slimmer. My other arguement already explains why simply tagging Sasuke doesnt ensure the win and that was There is not enough room inside of susanno for minato to fit anywhere. With Susanoo's ribcage nearly instanteous formation and with the Sharighan eye allowing sasuke to predict when minato will teleport sasuke can safer leave susanoo down until needed and bring it up just in time everytime.

 

[nagato009]

if they'll gonna fight of their true identity and physical health is at its best
team 1 would win.

 

[DeViliShChild]

Team two wins this, Tobi can just take out Naruto just like he was going to in the manga untill kakashi and Gai came to help.

and hell he can just keep doing this to everybody, and teammates can't help save or Minato can just teleport and kill them and have to watch out for harishma long distance.

Also CT cannot be used because sauske and naruto would be affected and into it as well.
(not to mention tobi and minato can just space/time away and the 1st can root himself with wood)



Harishima beat madara so sauske is nothing.

Lastly, the first can tame the kyubii so that would be trouble for naruto.



So those are just some major points i thought of.


P.S. Minato has seals everywhere (house and stuff for escape) and he most likely will put on teamates to teleport indefinatly in the area (voids amataratsu destroying seals arguement)

 

[6pathofpain]

The fact that their outside doesnt matter,reason why:

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I couldnt find the picture i wanted but this is the picture of the top where sasuke and itachi fought and itachi only did 1 Amaterasu and it spread this much, Amaterasu spreads alot just slowly which supports what i said that as the battle continues Minatos chances of winning gets slimmer. My other arguement already explains why simply tagging Sasuke doesnt ensure the win and that was There is not enough room inside of susanno for minato to fit anywhere

But what im saying is that minato is to smart to stay anywhere near amaterasu. Lets not forget that sasuke's fighting a genius, Why wouldnt minato stay anywhere near black flames that are spreading an he knows that they cant be put out...that makes no sense. An my argument isnt that minato will FTG into suasnoo my argument is that minato will telaport an stab suaske before he can activate suasnoo just like he stabed tobi before he could go transparent. Sasuke's reaction time may not be that face. Like when he use the ribb cage against A look how much time he had to react before he hit the ground, or when he didnt it against danzo, look how much time he had before danzo's ol slow ass got over there. Minato's attack will be considerable quicker an i dont think sasuke will be fast enough...

 

[KyoshiroSenju]

Idk but u guys are reading something else
hashirama> nagato. Why cuz edo madara will murder nagato and tht same edo madara has been saying the whole time tht only hashi could defeat him.. hashi wins mid diff
Tobi>sasuke. Why simple sasuke doesnt have anything against tobi, tobi wont even use the jinchuriki he will only use gedo mazo n some paths.. tobi wins mid diff
Naruto>minato.is simple naruto already surpass his father.naruto wins mid diff..
tht leaves tobi n hashi vs. Naruto n is obvious who wins..team 2 wins high diff

 

[6pathofpain]

Idk but u guys are reading something else
hashirama> nagato. Why cuz edo madara will murder nagato and tht same edo madara has been saying the whole time tht only hashi could defeat him.. hashi wins mid diff
Tobi>sasuke. Why simple sasuke doesnt have anything against tobi, tobi wont even use the jinchuriki he will only use gedo mazo n some paths.. tobi wins mid diff
Naruto>minato.is simple naruto already surpass his father.naruto wins mid diff..
tht leaves tobi n hashi vs. Naruto n is obvious who wins..team 2 wins high diff

The 1st> nagato because madara said the 1st is the only person who can beat him...seriously?

Madara has never even met and or heard of nagato. but i doubt he would beat nagato because anything madara can do with rinnegan nagato can do on a greater scale an with more experience seeing how he's had it waaaaaaaaaaay longer an madara's sharingan stuff is easily countered by rinnegan for obvious reasons. An madara suasnoo wont really help because everything it does is chakra based an nagato can an will absorb it...SO how exactly is madara or the 1st>nagato an actually use logic this time please.

 

[baknbits]

why are team battles always considered 1v1, 1v1, 1v1? Teams work as teams to fight. It's not three individual fights and then winner of each individual match goes around helping his team.
With that said I'm going with team 2. I think they're just as powerful as team 2 but also have much more experience and would work together a lot better than team 1

 

[KyoshiroSenju]

The 1st> nagato because madara said the 1st is the only person who can beat him...seriously?

Madara has never even met and or heard of nagato. but i doubt he would beat nagato because anything madara can do with rinnegan nagato can do on a greater scale an with more experience seeing how he's had it waaaaaaaaaaay longer an madara's sharingan stuff is easily countered by rinnegan for obvious reasons. An madara suasnoo wont really help because everything it does is chakra based an nagato can an will absorb it...SO how exactly is madara or the 1st>nagato an actually use logic this time please.

Like i said idk wat ur reading.madara knws nagato he even said it when he was brought by edo. Anybody with logic already knws tht edo madara will defeat nagato, edo madara was kabuto trump card not nagato so just tht says something n is tht edo madara is stronger thn nagato.madara rinnegan is stronger but nagato has more experience using it.edo madara said tht only hashi can defeat him thn is just simple tht he can defeat nagato..ur are also forgetting tht any jutsu tht nagato use will be useless cuz madara have preta path as well..

 

[Son of God]

If tobi had his Jin edo's as well as gedo, he will solo team 1.
Tobi munches nagato with 3 jinchuriki's that all have sharingan as well (remember how nagato was kapwned by itachi, bee, and naruto?)

Tobi's other 4 jinchiurikis take sasuke.
Gedo and Hashi and Minato take naruto.

Distribute the jinchurikis as you please in this scenario. Fact is, 3 powerful enemies take nagato.

Sasuke is fodder after these last few chapters

Gedo poops on all shinobi

 

[6pathofpain]

Like i said idk wat ur reading.madara knws nagato he even said it when he was brought by edo. Anybody with logic already knws tht edo madara will defeat nagato, edo madara was kabuto trump card not nagato so just tht says something n is tht edo madara is stronger thn nagato.madara rinnegan is stronger but nagato has more experience using it.edo madara said tht only hashi can defeat him thn is just simple tht he can defeat nagato..ur are also forgetting tht any jutsu tht nagato use will be useless cuz madara have preta path as well..

When's the last time madara seen nagato since he knows him so well? I doubt it was after his fight with hanzo...an no I didn't forget that at all, that's why it will be a difficult fight for them both. An what makes you think madara's rinnegan is stronger? Where did that come from? An if nagato did win which he could it would be because of nagato's summons distracting madara, espeacially if madara keeps cutting that dog.

 

[KyoshiroSenju]

When's the last time madara seen nagato since he knows him so well? I doubt it was after his fight with hanzo...an no I didn't forget that at all, that's why it will be a difficult fight for them both. An what makes you think madara's rinnegan is stronger? Where did that come from? An if nagato did win which he could it would be because of nagato's summons distracting madara, espeacially if madara keeps cutting that dog.

Thts the thing u dnt get edo madara made two meteor like nothing n it took a while for nagato to make one tht already state tht madara rinnegan is stronger thn nagato.summon are u forgetting tht madara have those paths aswell since nagato rinnegan are his so he can use animal path aswell.if madara n nagato fight it will be a tough battle but at the end madara wins..but this is not a madara vs nagato, wat i said was tht since madara can defeat nagato n madara himself said tht hashi could defeat him thn is just obvious tht hashi can defeat nagato

 

[Awkward Linguist]

Team 1 mid diff.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Note: when naruto ran into Tobi he was not even at full power cuz he used clones an fought madara he would still have 9 tails power left over if he did not use clones an stuff...team naruto got this I think