Nagato > Hashirama WITHOUT Bijupower?

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A Chou Shinra Tensei would probably destroy Hashiramas tree world but would render Deva-Path useless for a while. In this case, Hashirama would outnumber him with Tajuu Mokuton Bunshin and beat him without much trouble. By changing the landscape into the tree world, Hashirama would have a huge advantage compared to the other.

A normal shinra tensei would probably kill Hashirama or render him immobilized even with his healing

Yes, especially after Kakashi managed to survive two or three of them. I doubt that even the stronger ones would harm him if we consider that Bee tanked it without getting damage [

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] and Hashirama possesses a regeneration which is comparable with Tsunades when she is using her seal. I'm pretty sure that the Mokuton Bunshins would survive a stronger Shinra Tensei, too, since their bodies can take similar damage to what a human can take and can use above the powers of the original (such as defensive techniques and perhaps the regeneration as well). Since Hashirama, such as his clones are formally able to merge with the surrounding, they're protected from being crushed by Chibaku Tensei as well.

 

[Kira was Righteous]

A Chou Shinra Tensei would probably destroy Hashiramas tree world but would render Deva-Path useless for a while. In this case, Hashirama would outnumber him with Tajuu Mokuton Bunshin and beat him without much trouble. By changing the landscape into the tree world, Hashirama would have a huge advantage compared to the other.


Yes, especially after Kakashi managed to survive two or three of them. I doubt that even the stronger ones would harm him if we consider that Bee tanked it without getting damage [

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] and Hashirama possesses a regeneration which is comparable with Tsunades when she is using her seal. I'm pretty sure that the Mokuton Bunshins would survive a stronger Shinra Tensei, too, since their bodies can take similar damage to what a human can take and can use above the powers of the original (such as defensive techniques and perhaps the regeneration as well). Since Hashirama, such as his clones are formally able to merge with the surrounding, they're protected from being crushed by Chibaku Tensei as well.

Nagato is much stronger then deva path who he controlled miles away a normal shinra tensei through Nagato destroyed a entire forest which is ironic here are the links

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Bee was not near it he seemed to be at the edge of the blast and its obvious if he was near the epicentre he would be dead look at his positioning as well.He doesn't seem to be inside a forest and Trees or not they are crushed nothing is spared apart from rocks and i can prove this with these three pictures

Chibaku Tensei a weaker version of Nagatos in a forest

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Trees being sucked up from their roots its devouring the forest

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End result if there was any chance of trees surviving o staying in tact in the core they would be sticking out

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[Minator93]

Yep i guess jumped really high right huh haha and according to you gambunta can fight mid air with him as well
He was flying in the pain arc upwards from Tsuande,Asura path flew as well with its boosters then Nagato mirraclously started flying vs Naruto,Bee and Itachi
On the topic of being a fanboy you think Minato can beat Nagato and Tobi can beat Madara and Nagato together.If you deny these i have proof.

LOL the Gamabunta argument was that the toad boss can attain heights and then Minato [who is on top of him] can use his kunais to use FTG in Mid-air. [I have my original post to back this up]

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Anyone can get how high he was look at the mountains.

Also I stand by what I said because Minato can beat Nagato and also I've said that Rikudo Tobi [Rinnegan + MS + Tailed Beast + Edo Jinchurikis + Gedo Mazo] can SOLO Hashirama and EMS Madara [Which BTW he does] . Don't twist the facts.

And Nagato can't FLY Quit Fanboying

 

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[genii96]

Nagato for sure,CT will kill hashirama,preta path renders moukton useless,gedo mazo blasts hashi to oblivion,deva who is far weaker than nagato,wiped out the village in one move.

Nagato>hashirama,and rinnegan>ems
nagato>ems madara

hashirama cant beat nagato.

 

[Kira was Righteous]

LOL the Gamabunta argument was that the toad boss can attain heights and then Minato [who is on top of him] can use his kunais to use FTG in Mid-air. [I have my original post to back this up]

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Anyone can get how high he was look at the mountains.

Also I stand by what I said because Minato can beat Nagato and also I've said that Rikudo Tobi [Rinnegan + MS + Tailed Beast + Edo Jinchurikis + Gedo Mazo] can SOLO Hashirama and EMS Madara [Which BTW he does] . Don't twist the facts.

And Nagato can't FLY Quit Fanboying

Lol so Gambunta+Minato can fight Nagato in the air awesome theory +rep

Gedo Mazo obeyed Nagato for 200 chapters,sealed beasts inside of it and the only reason Tobi can summon it is because its Nagatos Rinnegan.Gedo and the beasts would most likely go over to Nagato however im pretty much 100% certain that if Nagato cant control it,it will be a back and forth summoning war between both of them until its a non factor

If you cant believe Nagato can fly thats your problem but ask yourself how he did all these things without flying hahaha
I guess he wasn't flying towards the top of Konoha here at speed indicated by the mark on the right

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I guess Asura path isnt flying towards Naruto with his rocket boots right

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and Nagato just apeared in mid air here as well

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[Minator93]

Lol so Gambunta+Minato can fight Nagato in the air awesome theory +rep

Gedo Mazo obeyed Nagato for 200 chapters,sealed beasts inside of it and the only reason Tobi can summon it is because its Nagatos Rinnegan.Gedo and the beasts would most likely go over to Nagato however im pretty much 100% certain that if Nagato cant control it,it will be a back and forth summoning war between both of them until its a non factor

If you cant believe Nagato can fly thats your problem but ask yourself how he did all these things without flying hahaha
I guess he wasn't flying towards the top of Konoha here at speed indicated by the mark on the right

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I guess Asura path isnt flying towards Naruto with his rocket boots right

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and Nagato just apeared in mid air here as well

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BOLD : I've never posed a battle scenario between Tobi and Nagato [that too with Gedo Mazo involved.] I remember posting points about how Tobi can beat Nagato with Ghost Mode and S/T [now we know that its only one jutsu] and Also how Nagato would fail against Izanagi.

Dude Nagato and PO6P are different.

The third Picture shows that he was inside of that chameleon summon.

 

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1. Nagatos Shinra Tensei destroyed a little forest, consisting out of trees width of a human. Hashiramas tree world on the other hand consists out of tendrils which are wider than a level 2 Susanoo and run across the whole landscape. I guess that Nagatos strongest Shinra Tensei would destroy this tree world perhaps, but not a casual one like the one he used against Naruto, Bee and Itachi.

2. You are wrong when saying that Bee stood on the edge of the blast of Nagatos Shinra Tensei.

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you see Bee and Itachi standing before Naruto.

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you see Nagato using his Shinra Tensei right before Naruto. Neither Bee, nor Naruto and Itachi were damaged by this Shinra Tensei. By the way, Nagato wasn't flying here, as you can clearly see, he is standing inside his chameleon who went visible.

Chibaku Tensei is however debatable.

 

[genii96]

Nagato wins ofcourse,he and gedo will beat hashirama for sure,and even if hashi uses a tailed beast,gedo selas tailed beasts for a job

 

[Kira was Righteous]

1. Nagatos Shinra Tensei destroyed a little forest, consisting out of trees width of a human. Hashiramas tree world on the other hand consists out of tendrils which are wider than a level 2 Susanoo and run across the whole landscape. I guess that Nagatos strongest Shinra Tensei would destroy this tree world perhaps, but not a casual one like the one he used against Naruto, Bee and Itachi.

2. You are wrong when saying that Bee stood on the edge of the blast of Nagatos Shinra Tensei.

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you see Bee and Itachi standing before Naruto.

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you see Nagato using his Shinra Tensei right before Naruto. Neither Bee, nor Naruto and Itachi were damaged by this Shinra Tensei. By the way, Nagato wasn't flying here, as you can clearly see, he is standing inside his chameleon who went visible.

Chibaku Tensei is however debatable.

Hes not on the edge although he is close to the mountains which i deem to be close however hes not in the epicentre where everything is reduced to dust

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Its most likely looking at it twice the chameleon although it doesnt explain how the chameleon survived the Shinra Tensei and besides Nagato can still fly because he has deva realm which was my point all along

Calling it a little forest is a pathetic excuse to why he destroyed it seeing as he blew up Konoha as well through deva a dead body hes more then capable of destroying anything Hashirama can make comfortably

Id like to see where your getting this small forest notion from considering we only see it from one side and Celestial Tera Blast would kill him from what we have seen in the manga its not debatable at all lol

 

[RikudoKami]

Remember those soul eating dragons Nagato has? Yeahhhhhhh.

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[Prime Rib]

nagato power fails compared to hashirama

 

[Champ]

Nagato, Hashirama has no answer for Chibaku Tensei

 

[Cpt Long Schlong]

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Nagato can fly, I don't see what Minator is getting worked up about


Anyway, it can go either way extreme dif, but people forget that once Nagato activates Preta Path, which he will do after seeing that Mokuton can come from all directions, Preta auto absorbs any attacks. I don't think I need to post the manga to prove this, since it's pretty obvious

Hashi can't counter Chibaku, he would only be able to rip apart Chibaku from the inside, and by the time he is inside, he'll be crushed under thousands of tonnes of rocks.

Also remember all of Nagato's powers >>>> Deva Path's Powers

 

[VongolaX]

Yep i guess jumped really high right huh haha and according to you gambunta can fight mid air with him as well
He was flying in the pain arc upwards from Tsuande,Asura path flew as well with its boosters then Nagato mirraclously started flying vs Naruto,Bee and Itachi
On the topic of being a fanboy you think Minato can beat Nagato and Tobi can beat Madara and Nagato together.If you deny these i have proof.


Yep counters to:

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Gedo Mazo
Flying with preta path activated
Shinra Tensei spam if you will

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there is a reason y hes called the strongest ninja fanboy

 

[TheSages456]

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Nagato can fly, I don't see what Minator is getting worked up about

Anyway, it can go either way extreme dif, but people forget that once Nagato activates Preta Path, which he will do after seeing that Mokuton can come from all directions, Preta auto absorbs any attacks. I don't think I need to post the manga to prove this, since it's pretty obvious

Hashi can't counter Chibaku, he would only be able to rip apart Chibaku from the inside, and by the time he is inside, he'll be crushed under thousands of tonnes of rocks.

Also remember all of Nagato's powers >>>> Deva Path's Powers

nagato said that he channeled all of his power through deva path to do chou shinra tensei. stop acting like nagato doing it himself would be stronger when he already stated that, that one shinra tensei involved him channeling all of his power into deva path. hashirama takes this with moderate diff at best according to kishi. preta path doesnt absorb all ninjutsu. if it did it wouldve absorbed fang over fang since your following pretas paths description like the bible. hashirama makes real trees not trees made of chakra and that is from the databooks and hasnt been contradicted so preta path absorbing mokuton isnt debatable.

 

[Kira was Righteous]

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there is a reason y hes called the strongest ninja fanboy

A 100 years ago yeah before Nagato complete,Edo Madara,Obito and BM Naruto and it was stated by Kabuto who said itachi was on a different level to everyone

 

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A 100 years ago yeah before Nagato complete

Why not talking about Hashirama complete who controlled all Bijus like pets before spreading them across the nations? Hashirama controlled the tailed beasts in his prime, but is dead now. Nagato sealed most Bijus in Gedo Mazo when he was alive and is now dead, too, and Tobi is Gedo Mazos master now. Both possessed the Biju in their life time, just as both are dead.

 

[Kira was Righteous]

Why not talking about Hashirama complete who controlled all Bijus like pets before spreading them across the nations? Hashirama controlled the tailed beasts in his prime, but is dead now. Nagato sealed most Bijus in Gedo Mazo when he was alive and is now dead, too, and Tobi is Gedo Mazos master now.

The Bjuu are part of Hashiramas power?

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Anyway the beasts are inside Gedo Mazo and Gedo Mazo is Nagatos original summon Tobi is just able to use it because he has Nagatos rinnegan

 

[TobisPawn]

nagato said that he channeled all of his power through deva path to do chou shinra tensei. stop acting like nagato doing it himself would be stronger when he already stated that, that one shinra tensei involved him channeling all of his power into deva path.

The thing is, that was emaciated Nagato with almost no chakra left. Edo Nagato, full power Nagato, whatever, has a lot more chakra, and his CST would be a loooooot stronger with him channeling all of his power into it. Casual Shinra Tenseis can block Hashirama's forests though.

hashirama takes this with moderate diff at best according to kishi. preta path doesnt absorb all ninjutsu. if it did it wouldve absorbed fang over fang since your following pretas paths description like the bible. hashirama makes real trees not trees made of chakra and that is from the databooks and hasnt been contradicted so preta path absorbing mokuton isnt debatable.

C'mon, man. Moderate at best? Pure wank.