Shouldve contiuned to the next 2 pages you'd see what i mean. Summoning it has no precautions, when he has to use the dragon ripping soul technique, thats when the receivers impale him
Not sure what you mean. Summoning gedo mazo is not enough for the chakra receivers to impale him. Once he plans on using gedo mazo for offensiveness like the soul ripping chakra, he needs the chakra receivers to impale him.
Anyway once gedo mazo has been used. The technique Fuinjutsu: Genryu Kyufujin is to seal the tailed beasts into it and thats about it.
The captured jinchuuriki² are generally sealed inside this giant statue!
The users are ten of the greatest shinobi. With all members deeply concentrating, the sealing statue is started up and with the "absorption chakra" released from the mouth, the Bijuu's³ chakra is extracted and then sealed. The chakra of the "Bijuu" is massive; the invocation of this technique spans several days, even for Akatsuki-class users. For regular shinobi, even just starting up the statue would be impossible.
[picture of the nine dragons emerging from the statue's mouth]
[pictures of the statue's eyes opening]
←↑The "absorption chakra" is shaped into nine dragons and the chakra of the "Bijuu" is consumed and sealed. After the sealing is complete, the statue opens his eyes.
¹ The "gen" in "Genryuu" is the same as the "gen" in "genjutsu". It means "phantom" or "illusion" and although it is usually translated as "illusion," I went with "phantom" here since it fits better in my opinion; although the dragons are ethereal, they are not illusionary.
² Jinchuuriki (人柱力) means the "power of human sacrifice". They're the hosts of the Bijuu.
³ Bijuu (尾獣), the "Tailed Beasts".
Third Databook, Page 294
What im trying to tell you is that, the fuinjutsu isnt a gedo mazo technique. Its a technique to seal a tailed beast in gedo mazo. Summoning it by itself has no precautions and the same goes to sealing a tailed beast
Why did it attack Ninja if Nagato cant use it to attack without Chakra Rods?He used the dragon removal technique after he saw Hanzos face and he was enraged
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He uses Sealing techniques through Gedo regardless hes using Gedo Mazo he also used it when the akatsuki members were talking to each other
All instances where he has used Gedo without syncing and its been summoned.He need to sync just to use that phantom dragon soul removal technique
Lol im not here to discuss who gedo mazo belongs to. Just saying its the person who summoned it with 7 tailed beasts is the person who it should be restricted only to.
Why did it attack Ninja if Nagato cant use it to attack without Chakra Rods?He used the dragon removal technique after he saw Hanzos face and he was enraged
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He uses Sealing techniques through Gedo regardless hes using Gedo Mazo he also used it when the akatsuki members were talking to each other
All instances where he has used Gedo without syncing and its been summoned.He need to sync just to use that phantom dragon soul removal technique
Again that sealing technique is not a gedo mazo technique. He just seals the beasts in it because thats the purpose of it. Main point was to state to those who claimed nagato would just use the soul ripping technique without any precautions and as soon as it touches hashirama thats it. If you argue that he would use the soul ripping technique, you have to also take into consideration the effects it has on nagato
Lol im not here to discuss who gedo mazo belongs to. Just saying its the person who summoned it with 7 tailed beasts is the person who it should be restricted only to.
From what we know, when nagato was alive he had gedo mazo and the "contract" to summon it.
If he had Gedo mazo while it had 7biiju sealed inside it then he can use it like that.
If Tobi had sealed the beasts inside after nagato's death then thats fair enough, but he didn't.
Again that sealing technique is not a gedo mazo technique. He just seals the beasts in it because thats the purpose of it. Main point was to state to those who claimed nagato would just use the soul ripping technique without any precautions and as soon as it touches hashirama thats it. If you argue that he would use the soul ripping technique, you have to also take into consideration the effects it has on nagato
Yeah but its active thats what im trying to say lol punching is not a gedo mazo technique but it proves its active
I agree you cannot use Soul dragon without going crippled although technically Nagato could just absorb Tailed beast chakra and use it again..plot no jutsu
From what we know, when nagato was alive he had gedo mazo and the "contract" to summon it.
If he had Gedo mazo while it had 7biiju sealed inside it then he can use it like that.
If Tobi had sealed the beasts inside after nagato's death then thats fair enough, but he didn't.
Again im not really here to discuss who gedo mazo belongs to. If you state what you say then you might aswell go even further and say that all 7 tailed beasts belong to nagato and its his power, but it isnt. That is tobi's power.
When nagato used it it was empty. Until he uses gedo mazo with a tailed beats in it, his gedo mazo is empty and its tobi who has introduced gezo mazo with the tailed beasts sealed in them into battle
Tobi can do it with one implanted Rinnegan which he got recently...... So nagato cant do that even with Two Rinnegans which he have been using since a child?
Actually, he can, years ago when he didn't have any tailedbeasts , yeah he needed to get injected, But not last time we saw him, He has 7 bijuu , and thus it can run off of bijuu chakra , like what tobi is doing
Fair enough but any ninja with reasonable speed should be able to evade a punch from gedo mazo. People were however stating that in order for hashirama to escape that dragon technique he has to use shinshin and im thinking well nagato has to be ready to be pierced by the rods.
Apart from gedo mazo's physical prowess perhaps its more lethal techniques' nagato has to be ready for the drawbacks
Isn't it common knowledge that Nagato could use Gedo Mazo freely thanks to the 7 tailed beast locked inside of it. Even before he injected himself with the rods I would imagine that he could still use the hollow shell of the gedo statue to fight without using the purple dragons.
Again im not really here to discuss who gedo mazo belongs to. If you state what you say then you might aswell go even further and say that all 7 tailed beasts belong to nagato and its his power, but it isnt. That is tobi's power.
When nagato used it it was empty. Until he uses gedo mazo with a tailed beats in it, his gedo mazo is empty and its tobi who has introduced gezo mazo with the tailed beasts sealed in them into battle
Again im not really here to discuss who gedo mazo belongs to. If you state what you say then you might aswell go even further and say that all 7 tailed beasts belong to nagato and its his power, but it isnt. That is tobi's power.
When nagato used it it was empty. Until he uses gedo mazo with a tailed beats in it, his gedo mazo is empty and its tobi who has introduced gezo mazo with the tailed beasts sealed in them into battle
Are you implying Nagato, who can summon Gedo Mazo with 7 tailed beasts, can't use it in a fight since he has never been seen using it? Are you kidding?
Lets say nagato summoned gedo mazo with 3 tailed beasts inside it into battle. Even after he has died, you should be able to state that because nagato has this feat, you can take it into vs threads, if he doesnt have this feat (3 tailed beasts in gedo mazo fight) you cannot use a feat that hasnt happened.
Anyway i take it ill be going up against you in a hashirama vs nagato thread
Ive been lurking through the recent vs threads which is basically about hashirama vs nagato (this is not a thread to discuss that btw) and i keep on seeing people throwing ninjutsu's around with out them fully knowing how a technique works.
Nagato's way of using gedo mazo is very different from tobi's way. To put it simple, nagato cannot use gezo mazo the same way as tobi.
In nagato's case in order to use gedo mazo, black rod's or should i say chakra receivers impale his back. The reason for this is so that, gedo mazo can function with nagato's chakra through the chakra receivers;
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Gedo mazo is the same as the paths to an extent. Both need nagato's chakra to function/to come alive and that is what the chakra receivers are for;
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So if you state that nagato can use gedo mazo you must accept the fact that the chakra transmitters will impale him in his back.
Tobi however, the reason why gedo mazo doesnt impale him is because that gedo mazo has the tailed beasts (shukaku only now because of the paths) sealed in it. The tailed beasts are masses of chakra and that is what provides tobi's gedo mazo to work without it needing to impale him;
Yes, I agree. The rods that went through Nagato's back were to feed chakra to Gedo Mazo.
But provided that Gedo Mazo has been hosting bijuus for over an year now I think it would only be fair to admit that, in a prime vs prime fight, Nagato could use his Gedo Mazo powered by the bijuus that were inside it by the time he died. Which would be the 1 up to 7.
You did not prove that Nagato couldn't use Gedo Mazo the same way Tobi is, just that he didn't.
As you rarely let things go south and you never post something without carefully thinking about it I'd really like you to explain your point better. Record shows you are usually right so...
Lets say nagato summoned gedo mazo with 3 tailed beasts inside them. Even after he has died, you should be able to state that because nagato has this feat, you can take it into vs threads, if he doesnt have this feat (3 tailed beasts in gedo mazo fight) you cannot use a feat that hasnt happened.
Anyway i take it ill be going up against you in a hashirama vs nagato thread
There is no feat to it , He can summon gedo mazo - Fact.. and just like tobi, now the beasts are sealed inside of it... IT wont inject him because it has chakra to operate...
There is no feat to it , He can summon gedo mazo - Fact.. and just like tobi, now the beasts are sealed inside of it... IT wont inject him because it has chakra to operate...
No, no, no i disagree. The tailed beasts belong to the current owner or else i can also say hashirama has tailed beasts because he had quiet a few under his control. Neither have them, its tobi who currently has them so it should be excluded on both sides
No, no, no i disagree. The tailed beasts belong to the current owner or else i can also say hashirama has tailed beasts because he had quiet a few under his control. Neither have them, its tobi who currently has them so it should be excluded on both sides
Lol! So if we were to have a Kushina vs Naruto fight both would have to be ripped out of Kurama?
Or in a Sasuke vs X do we deny Sasuke's EMS? Or is it that from now on every single Itachi vs Y counts a blind Itachi? Or a Nagato with no Rinnegan since Tobi took them...
If Nagato had the bijuus inside Gedo Mazo while he was alive that means they are his to use in battle to feed Gedo Mazo. Stating that he no longer has them is stupid, it would be the same to say he can't use the Rinnegan or invalidate the thread by saying that he is dead. But then again so is Hashirama.
Lol! So if we were to have a Kushina vs Naruto fight both would have to be ripped out of Kurama?
Or in a Sasuke vs X do we deny Sasuke's EMS? Or is it that from now on every single Itachi vs Y counts a blind Itachi? Or a Nagato with no Rinnegan since Tobi took them...
If Nagato had the bijuus inside Gedo Mazo while he was alive that means they are his to use in battle to feed Gedo Mazo. Stating that he no longer has them is stupid, it would be the same to say he can't use the Rinnegan or invalidate the thread by saying that he is dead. But then again so is Hashirama.
How did i get into who gedo mazo should belong to. If nagato was to get the tailed beasts with gedo mazo sealed in them. Hashirama should also be allowed to have the tailed beasts he was controlling when he was alive
No, no, no i disagree. The tailed beasts belong to the current owner or else i can also say hashirama has tailed beasts because he had quiet a few under his control. Neither have them, its tobi who currently has them so it should be excluded on both sides
By that logic Rinnegan belongs to its cureent owner Tobi
Thus if there is a versus thread, nagato can't have any eyes...
No... The last time we saw nagato, he had a gedo mazo with 7 bijuu in it...Tobi simply took his toys after he died..
Just like suigetsu took Zabuza's sword.. That doesn't mean if we make a versus thread we don't say zabuza can't have his sword
And as for the hashirama thing, The only problem with that is finite details on how hashirama controlled them, We know literally nothing of how he could "take control" of bijuu's... How long? how many could he do at a time, Could he Fight while doing this? we don't know at all..
Again how did i end up in a tag of war about gedo mazo. My opinion is also based on feats. If naagto hasnt shown a tailed beast powered gedo mazo in a fight why give him this fight in a vs thread. Anyway things should be interesting :ice:
How did i get into who gedo mazo should belong to. If nagato was to get the tailed beasts with gedo mazo sealed in them. Hashirama should also be allowed to have the tailed beasts he was controlling when he was alive
And I see no reason as to why not. You never read me saying that Nagato would beat Hashirama, I never gave my opinion about that. It so happens that in a prime versus prime fight I give, for example, Madara the ability to summon and control Kurama. I never pronounce my opinion regarding Hashirama and Nagato simply because despite the fact that we know Hashirama in his prime controlled several bijuu we have no information on which nor the extent of his control over them. As far as we know it could be "control" like that Yamato is capable of which seems more like "managing" than control to me. But we are not discussing that issue here only if Nagato could use Gedo Mazo the same way Tobi is, and the truth is that there is no reason for why he couldn't. He had Gedo Mazo and the the tailed beasts and surely he was at least just as experienced Rinnegan user as Tobi.
