Nagato can not defeat Hashi of Madara

Who Wins?

  • Nagato wins

    Votes: 62 40.3%
  • Hashirama or Madara wins

    Votes: 67 43.5%
  • Hashirama wins not Madara

    Votes: 17 11.0%
  • Madara wins not Hashirama

    Votes: 8 5.2%

  • Total voters
    154

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You have literally no good argument to defend against gedo mazo, except that one piece of bs excuse
The thing with Gedo Mazo may sounds as an acceptable argument but is also very faulty. First of all we have to take a look at its size. It has a monstrous size, where normal sized people are ants compared to it. Its monstrous size and power is for both, Hashirama and Nagato a problem, since Gedo Mazo will go on a rampage while both will fight between its feet. What would be the sense of sending out this thing, if Gedo Mazo starts to destroy the surroundings and go on a rampage, while Nagato is on its radius when fighting Hashirama? Therefore, Gedo Mazo is a usefu technique in order to clean the maps, but in an actual fight against the opponent and the user, Gedo Mazo is more an obstacle than a help. This was the first flaw. The second one is, that Hashirama possesses the power to suppress the Bijuchakra, what counts for Gedo Mazo as well. After all he fought Kurama, too and sealed him away. The third fault is your 'purple dragon' argument. Our current state of knowledge is, that Nagato has to be connected with Gedo Mazo, what requires to be pierced by rods and giving his whole Chakra away by turning into a cripple - After all the Outer-Path grant you the ability to 'stand' between life and death, what has nothing to do with Gedo Mazo. Once the purple dragon is used, this move can be seen as his last option, since he won't be able to fight after this. Counters for this are simple.

  • He can cover himself with wood in order to grant himself protection. The purple Dragon showed that he cannot pass through solid objects such as the ground. The same will go for the Mokuton and the Doton Hashirama can use.
  • Taju Mokuton Bunshins. These clones are capable to fight since they are out of his cells, too and cannot be killed by a hit. Since the clonces do not have a sould, the purple dragon cannot work. All Hashirama has to do when seeing Nagato using an unknown technique, is to send out 10 clones in order to 'test' it. while hiding himself in any tree or tendril. May sounds simple for people like you, who are only based on a Ninjutsu spam which has to be countered by a Ninjutsu spam as well, by this is a solid, of evidence supported fight. The purple dragon will not take out any soul from a clone, while the clones by themselves will be able to use the Mokuton as well. Not only the purple dragon will only be a self-harming technique, this situation will grant the clones an open attack too, in order to crush him


Cannot even read? Where is it say that Gedo Mazo can use the purple dragon without being connected with Nagato, what requires his chakra and leaves him crippled? What don't you understand when I say that Hashirama can send out Clones while hidding himself in a tree? Bunshins are also a Ninja technique, but for you a Ninjutsu spam only counts.

2. Madara didn't absorb the Chakra out of the sand, Gaara just ended the technique after Madara was able to avoid the Rasenshuriken. Or how would he absorb the sands Chakra while concentrating his Preta Path on the Rasenshuriken by using his hand? Do you contradict Gaara, who said to Madara that it is only sand and thus can't be absorbed - Why Madara didn't absorb the sands Chakra after being bury several times? Do you contradict Madara who said, that physical attacks work on him? A pity indeed. You contradict yourself, can't read even posts and just continue to post your nonsense.

3. Yeah Meii said that they mustn't inhale the polen but yet all of them inhaled them and got paralyzed. Above it depends on which knowledge Nagato possesses. Your whole statement is based on Shinra Tensei. He will Shinra Tensei away the forest, he will Shinra Tensei away the pollen, he will Shinra Tensei away the Mokuton Bunshins, etc.

4. About which feat are you talking when using the Edo Tensei argument? Can you give me the page where it was said that Edos have an increased Chakralevel? We have already seen Edo Tenseis reaching their limit. And what kind of boost the Uchiha genes gives you? Only Hashiramas genes are known for being strong, everybody is seeking for them, Hashiramas cells increases the power of the Sharingan, whereby you can use Izanagi, it reduces the interval from Kotoamatsukami from 10 years to a few hours and we are talking about cells implanted to an other body, while Hashirama is the original with the powerful genes and Mokuton.

5. Your 'Uzumaki16' doesn't have much knowledge and does not differs from you who says Preta-Path can absorb anything. The Mokuton is a physical matter, created by reproducing his cells. Yeah Hashirama uses Chakra in order to control it, but Chakra is only half the way. The Mokuton is may controlled by Chakra, but it does not consists out of it.

Why Madara didn't absorb the Chakra from Gaaras sand while being buried several times? Can you give me the answer?

Why did Madara say, that physical attacks work on him?

Do you know what the third Databook says? Hashirama is sending Chakra into the ground in order to let the trees immediately and in vast amounts grow. By fitting the ground, you increase the growth and strength of the trees. The growth does not require to fit the trees themselves with Chakra.

You cannot even give me an answer to this but insists on Uzumaki16's post who is lacking knowledge just as you do.

Also it seems that you are forgetting that the Rikudo Sennin is the inner therm of anything, he had the Rinnegan but was also the origin of Uchiha and Senju, he possessed all those abilities, not only the Rinnegans. And for you, Madara, the 2nd reincarnation of the Rikudo Sennin lost to Hashirama, too.

But I except you will just insist your thing again.
 
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Nagato could not take on Madara/Madara andthe 9 tails
yes he can. and hashirama didnt fight 9 tails head to head. he supressed it with his unique ability.

Madara did unlock the Rinnegan when he was alive also and has the same paths as Nagato+Ems abilities
hes barely scratched the surface of rinnegan wheres nagato mastered it. by the time he got rinnegan he would be in his 70s

I think some of you people need to either go back and re-read the manga because you forget that the real Nagato Used the paths because summoning the Gedo Maza left him with chakra rods embedded him his back
using the phantom dragon caused that. tobu has never needed to embed himself because he doesnt want to synch himself to gedo mazo

But seeing the power of Mokuton coupled with his feats: Establishing Konoha,Capturing "Multiple" tailed beast and distributing them to various nations, Becoming the 1st Hokage by defeating Madara
he didnt establish it alone, and he became hokage long before facing madara for the last time.

Hashi had a the same clone Jutsu as Naruto
nagato can use anything jiraiya knows such as clones since he mastered everything jiraiya taught him. so he should know kage bunshin

This is the same man who defeated Madara and the 9 tails at the same time.
no he didnt. he supressed nine tails so mito could seal him, and we dont know what happened with him and madara. maybe madara was weakened already

Madara and Hashirama i think would take it because they are far more experienced
how do you know? nagato when he controlled the pains was nearing his 40s at least and had been in constant warfare with hanzo

And how would Nagato get past the Flower/Plant world Hashi creates? If he breathes the spores in the fight would be over
hes a sensor so hed already see the spores coming
 
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