Nagato can easily break Tsukuyomi

[admireableman]

i think it will work nagoto because J man was not a user of genjetsu but he beat them with it easily also nagato didn't allow frogs to launch gengetsu because he was afraid of it

 

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

Yeah even if the databooks were written by Kishimoto himself, I really don't care as he also makes contradictions based on later things.

I've never read them, nor do I have any intention to as they are weak arguments. Of course you hype up your own techniques to make the morale of the person you're fighting go down.

Amaterasu is supposed to be inescapable too.

That went down the toilet with Raikage.

 

[yousufnaruto]

In the Itachi vs Nagato threads I've seen to many fanboys mistakenly claim that Itachi could one shot Nagato with Tsukuyomi. The reasons why this would fail is because

Nagato is a sensor ninja: It has been noted that sensor ninja have the ability to sense changes in ones chakra and the chakra around them. This would alert him to being in genjustu and he could disrupt his chakra and break it.

proof that Nagato is a sensor ninja from Narutopedia:



The Rinnegan is an evolved sharigan: it is well known that the sharigan evolves into the rinnegan with the right conditions. If a normal 3 tomoe sharigan can break "the all powerful" Tsukuyomi then the rinnegan can as well. The rinnegan has shown to counter all other MS techniques so Tsukuyomi is no problem.

So with this it is clear that Nagato>>>Itachi, and itachi stands no chance U_U

Maybe nagato can breakthrough itachi's tsukyomi by any other means but your point that sensory ninja can breakthrough genjutsu is totally wrong. See this:

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In this you can clearly see that "C",a sensory type of ninja with high abilities is put under a genjutsu of sasuke's normal sharingan which clearly defines that sensory type of ninja didn't have any relation with genjutsu(that they can be put under a genjutsu).

 

[Kakashi Fang]

This thread is just ignorant!

So what your basically saying is that sensors can't be caught and stuck in genjutsu!? When Sasuke clearly cast a genjutsu on one of Raikage's sensors at the Kage summit.

 

[ucHIHA mADaRa DouGs]

itachi>>>>>>>>>>>nagato
haisss end of discusion

thats why nagato is now sitting on itachi's totsuka gourd

poor nagato

and if nagato can break tsukoyomi???(which he really cant)
how much time would it take???

itachi's tsukoyomi effect in 2-3 sec in real world

ok so his summons can awake him??

hahaha the hell itachi will let that do

""summon of nagato going near him to awaken him
itachi use amaterasu on the whatever summon""

and his summons cant awake him rinnegan summons dont have their own mind their just being controled unlike the normal summon like gamabunta,manda,kakashi's dog and etc.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Nagato's rinnegan is not evolved from sharingan like Edo Madara's, and I havent seen rinnegan's genjutsu abilities yet. Just saying.

 

[Rikodou]

the rinnegan couldnt break through jiraiya(toad sage)'s genjutsu...then how do u suppose it will break htrough tsukoyomi...

 

[Scooby Doo]

the rinnegan couldnt break through jiraiya(toad sage)'s genjutsu...then how do u suppose it will break htrough tsukoyomi...

Heh well said

 

[Owarij]

The ignorance in this thread is astounding


Firstly.. Lean the difference between NAGATO and paths of pein.......Tsukyomi obviously won't work well on the paths because they are dead....



2ndly what does being a sensor have to do with breaking genjutsu? that's the worst logic Ive ever come across... C getting caught in a genjutsu automatically destroys that....


If any of you read the manga you would know Itachi's tsukyomi can't simply be cancelled because of its instantaneous nature (kakashi)...This is why the only way to beat it is resisting it as he said, an the only way to do that is have uchiha blood..

 

[Blaze Release]

Whilst i agree nagato > itachi majority of the time, the argument for why nagato can break tsukuyomi is pitiful and goes against manga and databook facts.

Just because you have the sharingan/rinnegan doesnt mean you have necessarily abilities to break it and tbh i thought the scenario with kakashi has made it clear. Anyway DB entry;

Spoiler

NINJUTSU; KEKKEI GENKAI; Tsukuyomi
User: Uchiha Itachi
Supplementary; Close range; Rank: none

Main text

Amidst the insight and hypnosis possessed by Sharingan, is a supreme genjutsu, born from the aforementioned hypnosis: Tsukuyomi. Originally, people on the face of the Earth live bound by limitations like time, gravity, and space; and how people exert their abilities within those restrictions is what separates the victors from the vanquished. But in the mental world where the caster drags their opponent, the Tsukuyomi jutsu gives them control over those very limitations!

Namely, this means inside the genjutsu, the physical world's common sense is completely irrelevant and opposing the caster is impossible. Somebody caught into the Tsukuyomi find themselves into a strange world of infinity, their fate entirely lying inside the caster's hands. Some time, they will undergo the torments of Hell, and some other time, they will be repeatedly shown a horrendous, hellish picture of agony and mayhem*, with no idea of when either of those will end. As a result, the poor prisoner can only wait until the collapse of their psyches...!! Even a body made of iron or the speed of light are powerless before this jutsu, which is the reason why it is feared as the most powerful.

Sharingan is the Kekkei Genkai of the clan labeled as the most powerful, the Uchiha clan. Even among those who have Sharingan, that jutsu cannot be operated without having Mangekyou, which is its culminating point. Concurrently, the only ones who can defeat Tsukuyomi are Sharingan possessors... And even then, exclusively the elite shinobi who have reached particularly high degrees of skillfulness. Once could say this is truly a God-given jutsu solely allowed to those blessed with Uchiha blood and prodigious aptitudes.

Captions

-An inner hell as eternal as Heaven and Earth. The grip held onto the principles of all creation thoroughly annihilates one's heart and soul!!

-The ultimate doujutsu made possible only by Mangekyou Sharingan.

Picture comments

-The moment the adversary is exposed to Mangekyou Sharingan, a strange realm as they've never seen before extends before their eyes. In there, the world's principles themselves obey the caster's beck and call.

-Since attacks in the spiritual realm have no power to physically wound or kill, it bestows an unfathomable amount of mental damage.

-Only those of Uchiha blood... Does it mean only Sasuke has a chance to break a Tsukuyomi?

-The phenomena that happen inside of the mental realm are entirely the caster's to command. Which is to say, the images shown or the actions taken can be changed according to the opponent in order to yield maximum efficiency.

Databook 2, pages 252-253

Whilst manga facts along with databook facts back the idea that nagato cannot break it, the argument for he can is merely fan fiction and nothing more. Id stick to the manga and databook

Ill quote myself because it seems people are relying on fan fiction when the manga and databook says otherwise

 

[FlyingThunderGodHax]

Of course Itachi can win. Tsukuyomi can 1 shot kill anyone even the SO6P, Goku and Optimus Prime

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[Scooby Doo]

Ill quote myself because it seems people are relying on fan fiction when the manga and databook says otherwise

LOL Things on NB are getting pretty bad if you have to quote yourself

 

[Blaze Release]

LOL Things on NB are getting pretty bad if you have to quote yourself

It seems nagato fans are in denial and want to make an excuse for why nagato would beat itachi even though it isnt needed because as i said nagato is the favourite to beat itachi anway but when you rely on fan fiction in order to approve why nagato will beat itachi and label a technique which the manga and db states should work on nagato you arent helping yourself.

Anyway this quote from the db should put things into perspective;

"Sharingan is the Kekkei Genkai of the clan labeled as the most powerful, the Uchiha clan. Even among those who have Sharingan, that jutsu cannot be operated without having Mangekyou, which is its culminating point. Concurrently, the only ones who can defeat Tsukuyomi are Sharingan possessors... And even then, exclusively the elite shinobi who have reached particularly high degrees of skillfulness. Once could say this is truly a God-given jutsu solely allowed to those blessed with Uchiha blood and prodigious aptitudes."

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

oh... tell me something i don't know nagato fans

 

[destined 2 win]

Yeah even if the databooks were written by Kishimoto himself, I really don't care as he also makes contradictions based on later things.

I've never read them, nor do I have any intention to as they are weak arguments. Of course you hype up your own techniques to make the morale of the person you're fighting go down.

Amaterasu is supposed to be inescapable too.

That went down the toilet with Raikage.

lolz

 

[Wolfang714]

Is Nagato an Uchiha who has the Sharingan? No. Disrupting your own chakra during Tsukuyomi? LOL. Nagato>Itachi, but Tsukuyomi still stands. Also, because the Rinnegan has a shared field of vision, it affects every single one of Nagato's paths and summons.

 

[Vegeta]

The Old frogs put him in Genjutsu easy enough. If Pervy Sage knew about Pain's powers he could've killed him when they fought

 

[lordvikon]

no dude you got it all wrong incase u haven't noticed jiraiya killed three of naggato's body with genjutsu that's weak compared to tsukoyoumi genjutsu is naggato's weakness and it also happens to be what itachi specializes in He's considered by many to be the strongest uchiha next to shisui and madara naggato wouldn't stand a chance against itachi if he decides to fight at full strength

 

[Vegeta]

and remember when Pervy Sage killed a bunch of them. They were under genjutsu, the remaining Pain (who revived the rest) was NOT under genjutsu whiile the others were

 

[Scooby Doo]

and remember when Pervy Sage killed a bunch of them. They were under genjutsu, the remaining Pain (who revived the rest) was NOT under genjutsu whiile the others were

Maybe because that was a sound genjutsu?