Nagato and Gedo Mazo

[Midday]

Never said they didn't. Does it matter? Manga says it doesn't.

This isn't about Tsukuyomi. This about him being able to use the Sharingan as well as Uchiha by having their blood. In fact Tsukuyomi was never even in my post at all. Mentioning it is moot as only a Sharingan wielder with the same blood as Itachi (Sasuke) can break it once hit. Eyes contain blood yet Itachi still said that Kakashi can't use the Sharingan as well as an Uchiha. What does that tell you? That having the eyes doesn't matter. Manga shows it. Deal with it.

Nagato having Madara's eyes means he can use the Mazo properly due to having Uchiha DNA but Kakashi having Obito's eye (Which contains the original wielder, Obito's, Blood and DNA) doesn't mean that he should be able to use the Sharingan as well as an Uchiha? You don't make any sense.

You've said eye's don't contain DNA before and I just gave you a scan of the manga saying it does.

I jumped the gun with Tsukyomi because you brought up the Uchiha blood thing again and Itachi talks about how Kakashi can't take Tsukyomi. It's been brought up a load of times before, you know the rest.

Firstly, blood =/= DNA it contains it. The eyes would have Kakashi's blood running through them not Obito's. So bringing up Itachi's point holds no weight concerning eye's containg DNA.

When Itachi said Kakashi can't use the sharringan like an Uchiha because he's not blood related means just that. Getting some DNA doesn't make him a blood relative. The same way someone can get a transplant but they would have the same blood running through their veins.

 

[KidGamer65]

Firstly, blood =/= DNA it contains it. The eyes would have Kakashi's blood running through them not Obito's. So bringing up Itachi's point holds no weight concerning eye's containg DNA.

DNA=Blood. Blood and DNA have been interchangable in this series.

KKG is passed down via Blood or DNA (Mokuton)

Kekkei Genkai translates to Bloodline Limit yet Mokuton can be transferred via Hashirama's DNA.

Kabuto injected Sound 5 plus Oro's DNA/BLood into himself.

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The KKG of the Uchiha is more than just the Sharingan and that is why non Uchiha can't handle their eyes correctly.

When Itachi said Kakashi can't use the sharringan like an Uchiha because he's not blood related means just that. Getting some DNA doesn't make him a blood relative. The same way someone can get a transplant but they would have the same blood running through their veins.

Itachi said that his body doesn't contain any of their blood so he can't use the Sharingan as well as they can. Pulled straight from the manga.

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Did he ever say he had to be a blood relative? Nope. If you can show me a scan that states that then I'll believe your words.

I also like you keep ignoring this question:

"Why would Madara say that Rinnegan is needed to summon the Mazo and that Both powers are needed to control the Mazo if Rinnegan was the only thing needed? He never would have had to mention anything about the powers in his first sentence if Rinnegan was the only requirement."

You seem to believe having the Rinnegan alone lets Nagato control it despite Madara saying otherwise.

Not to mention the other fact that Nagato lacks the Uchiha's power, which is the stated requirement to unlock the Rinnegan/

 

[KidGamer65]

Obito being having Uchiha and Senju's powers unlike Nagato is also the only explainable reason for why his Outer Path binding is FAR superior to Nagato's despite the latter having the Rinnegan for decades.

 

[Midday]

DNA=Blood. Blood and DNA have been interchangable in this series.

KKG is passed down via Blood or DNA (Mokuton)

Kekkei Genkai translates to Bloodline Limit yet Mokuton can be transferred via Hashirama's DNA.

Kabuto injected Sound 5 plus Oro's DNA/BLood into himself.

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The KKG of the Uchiha is more than just the Sharingan and that is why non Uchiha can't handle their eyes correctly.


Itachi said that his body doesn't contain any of their blood so he can't use the Sharingan as well as they can. Pulled straight from the manga.

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Did he ever say he had to be a blood relative? Nope. If you can show me a scan that states that then I'll believe your words.

I also like you keep ignoring this question:

"Why would Madara say that Rinnegan is needed to summon the Mazo and that Both powers are needed to control the Mazo if Rinnegan was the only thing needed? He never would have had to mention anything about the powers in his first sentence if Rinnegan was the only requirement."

You seem to believe having the Rinnegan alone lets Nagato control it despite Madara saying otherwise.

Not to mention the other fact that Nagato lacks the Uchiha's power, which is the stated requirement to unlock the Rinnegan/

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DNA and blood are not interchangeable, DNA is contained in blood. Kabuto got the sound 5's DNA from their blood. The Uchiha KKG is only the sharringan, spiritual energy and power chakra is not a kkg.

When Itachi's talking about Kakashi not having their blood by that he means he's not an Uchiha. He said related to Uchiha clan, not word for word but that's a blood relative.

We're going backwards. Blood is irrelevant, you said eyes don't have DNA I proved otherwise, end of that topic. You asked for where it shows Nagato has Uchiha powers, it's in the opening post. Six paths power = Senju + Uchiha power Nagato has the six paths power(yin-yang release).

 

[Midday]

Obito being having Uchiha and Senju's powers unlike Nagato is also the only explainable reason for why his Outer Path binding is FAR superior to Nagato's despite the latter having the Rinnegan for decades.

Notice Obito attached chakra chains to his binding where Nagato didn't. There's your explanation.

 

[Nous]

The eyes have no DNA on them. The eyes are a reflection of chakra and nothing more.

 

[Midday]

The eyes have no DNA on them. The eyes are a reflection of chakra and nothing more.

What does Kabuto say here about Shishui's eyes?

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[KidGamer65]

DNA and blood are not interchangeable, DNA is contained in blood. Kabuto got the sound 5's DNA from their blood. The Uchiha KKG is only the sharringan, spiritual energy and power chakra is not a kkg.

When Itachi's talking about Kakashi not having their blood by that he means he's not an Uchiha. He said related to Uchiha clan, not word for word but that's a blood relative.

We're going backwards. Blood is irrelevant, you said eyes don't have DNA I proved otherwise, end of that topic. You asked for where it shows Nagato has Uchiha powers, it's in the opening post. Six paths power = Senju + Uchiha power Nagato has the six paths power(yin-yang release).

Bold is wrong, otherwise it wouldn't matter if outsiders got the eye.

Second bold is wrong. I got the scan and it says what it says. If you wanna interpret it a different way then its not my problem.

Show me a scan where he said he had to be born into the Uchiha clan cause I see a scan where he says due to lacking his blood.

Still ignoring the question huh?

"Why would Madara say that Rinnegan is needed to summon the Mazo and that Both powers are needed to control the Mazo if Rinnegan was the only thing needed? He never would have had to mention anything about the powers in his first sentence if Rinnegan was the only requirement."

You seem to believe having the Rinnegan alone lets Nagato control it despite Madara saying otherwise.

Again with this nonsense?

-They were clearly referring to Rikudou Sennin when they mentioned the Six Paths. Rikudou Sennin=Senju and Uchiha.
-Yin and Yang are universal elements. What don't you understand about this? You saying Nagato has Uchiha and Senju's power due to having Yin and Yang Release is equivalent to saying the 2nd Mizukage has Uchiha's power because he has Yin Release. Again, you make no sense. Post a scan of him using Uchiha's power or a scan that says he has it otherwise he doesn't. Simple as that.

Notice Obito attached chakra chains to his binding where Nagato didn't. There's your explanation.

Nope. Obito's generated the chakra chains because his chakra rod's binding was stronger than Nagato's. Not because he attached them.

 

[Midday]

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Nope. Obito's generated the chakra chains because his chakra rod's binding was stronger than Nagato's. Not because he attached them.

I haven't read the rest yet.

Notice Naruto is about to pull it out here.

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Notice Obito activated the chakra chains when he put his hand up to stop Naruto pulling it out.

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It's stronger because he used it with chakra chains which bijuu are weak against, Naruto's using bijuu chakra when getting chained.

 

[KidGamer65]

I haven't read the rest yet.

Notice Naruto is about to pull it out here.

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Notice Obito activated the chakra chains when he put his hand up to stop Naruto pulling it out.

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It's stronger because he used it with chakra chains which bijuu are weak against, Naruto's using bijuu chakra when getting chained.

Why do you think he was able to manifest the chains in the first place? While Nagato, the guy with the Rinnegan for decades couldn't? Clearly due to him possessing the power of both Uchiha and Senju.

 

[Midday]

Bold is wrong, otherwise it wouldn't matter if outsiders got the eye.

Second bold is wrong. I got the scan and it says what it says. If you wanna interpret it a different way then its not my problem.

Show me a scan where he said he had to be born into the Uchiha clan cause I see a scan where he says due to lacking his blood.

Still ignoring the question huh?

"Why would Madara say that Rinnegan is needed to summon the Mazo and that Both powers are needed to control the Mazo if Rinnegan was the only thing needed? He never would have had to mention anything about the powers in his first sentence if Rinnegan was the only requirement."

You seem to believe having the Rinnegan alone lets Nagato control it despite Madara saying otherwise.

Again with this nonsense?

-They were clearly referring to Rikudou Sennin when they mentioned the Six Paths. Rikudou Sennin=Senju and Uchiha.
-Yin and Yang are universal elements. What don't you understand about this? You saying Nagato has Uchiha and Senju's power due to having Yin and Yang Release is equivalent to saying the 2nd Mizukage has Uchiha's power because he has Yin Release. Again, you make no sense. Post a scan of him using Uchiha's power or a scan that says he has it otherwise he doesn't. Simple as that.



Nope. Obito's generated the chakra chains because his chakra rod's binding was stronger than Nagato's. Not because he attached them.

Sharringan is a KKG, powerful chakra and spiritual energy is not they're just traits. Just like how the Senju do not have a kekkai genkai for strong life force.

When he said your not suitable because you don't have Uchiha blood, it doesn't mean DNA. It's got to be referring to being a blood relative as those are the only people who have Uchiha blood not someone who has a little DNA.

I took it as Rinnengan summons Gedo Mazo. Obito should be fine controlling it as he has Senju and Uchiha power.

Once again this has been adressed. He used Izangi then explained it, Konan said that's the six paths power the yin-yang release. Nagato has yin-yang relase which is formed from senju and Uchiha powers, that's all you need.

 

[Midday]

Why do you think he was able to manifest the chains in the first place? While Nagato, the guy with the Rinnegan for decades couldn't? Clearly due to him possessing the power of both Uchiha and Senju.

It's just a technique from the Gedeo path which Obito used. Nowhere does it say he can do so because of Senju and Uchiha DNA. Read up on it.

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[KidGamer65]

Once again this has been adressed. He used Izangi then explained it, Konan said that's the six paths power the yin-yang release. Nagato has yin-yang relase which is formed from senju and Uchiha powers, that's all you need.

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-Yin and Yang are universal elements. What don't you understand about this? You saying Nagato has Uchiha and Senju's power due to having Yin and Yang Release is equivalent to saying the 2nd Mizukage has Uchiha's power because he has Yin Release. Again, you make no sense. Post a scan of him using Uchiha's power or a scan that says he has it otherwise he doesn't. Simple as that. Yin-Yang Release is formed from Yin and Yang, not exclusively Senju and Uchiha.

Yin and Yang Release are not exclusive to Uchiha and Senju. FACT.

I guess the 2nd Mizukage has Uchiha's power according to you, but he obviously doesn't so you're wrong.

Senju+Uchiha=Sage of the Six Paths's power. Not exclusively Yin and Yang. Otherwise these two clans would be the only clans with Yin and Yang. Again, you make no sense.

 

[AlphaScythian]

We havent seen nagato to control gedo aside small summoning of chakra less shell. Juubi is controlled by mokuton mainly now. I guess even if nagato could control it well, obito and madara can better.

 

[Midday]

-Sigh-

-Yin and Yang are universal elements. What don't you understand about this? You saying Nagato has Uchiha and Senju's power due to having Yin and Yang Release is equivalent to saying the 2nd Mizukage has Uchiha's power because he has Yin Release. Again, you make no sense. Post a scan of him using Uchiha's power or a scan that says he has it otherwise he doesn't. Simple as that. Yin-Yang Release is formed from Yin and Yang, not exclusively Senju and Uchiha.

Yin and Yang Release are not exclusive to Uchiha and Senju. FACT.

I guess the 2nd Mizukage has Uchiha's power according to you, but he obviously doesn't so you're wrong.

Senju+Uchiha=Sage of the Six Paths's power. Not exclusively Yin and Yang.

The six paths power she was talking about was creation of all things which is a yin-yang release technique. The only people to have the yin-yang release are people who've combined Uchiha and Senju powers. Danzo and all the rinnengan users.

For the Mizukage, all Uchiha spiritual power(their yin) comes from the older son/sage, not all yin release comes from Uchiha. Kind of like all thumbs are fingers but not all fingers are thumbs.

 

[KidGamer65]

The six paths power she was talking about was creation of all things which is a yin-yang release technique. The only people to have the yin-yang release are people who've combined Uchiha and Senju powers. Danzo and all the rinnengan users.

Konan never once mentioned COAT nor was he talking about COAT or even Izanagi. She simply said "Senju and Uchiha? That's the power of the Six Paths".

That's because of the Yin and Yang energies the Senju and Uchiha possess and Rinnegan already has a latent ability that lets you master all nature manipulations. Not to mention Izanagi falls under the category of Yin-Yang Release.

For the Mizukage, all Uchiha spiritual power(their yin) comes from the older son/sage, not all yin release comes from Uchiha. Kind of like all thumbs are fingers but not all fingers are thumbs.

Exactly. Nagato having Yin-Yang Release which is merely a combination of Yin and Yang doesn't mean that he possess Uchiha's power. Especially since Rinnegan has an ability that grants all the Nature Manipulations. Which means Rinnegan grants him Yin and Yang and if you have Yin and Yang then you can automatically use Yin-Yang.

Yin and Yang energies are used in many different jutsu used by people who aren't even Senju and Uchiha.

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Genjutsu falls under the category of Yin Release.

Not to mention countless Uchiha were spamming Izanagi so much that they had to create Izanami just to counter it.

Uchiha and Senju have stronger Yin and Yang energies then anyone else does so that's why theirs are so special.

 

[shelke]

Your thread is wrong on two accounts -

1 - Nagato doesn't posses Uchiha or Senju Genetic make up.

2 - Getting an eye-implantation doesn't alter your genetic make up in conjunction with the implanted eye. The eye itself would carry the DNA, as it was a part of the user, but the implantation would effect the genetic make up of the user outside the blood-line how?

 

[genii96]

Exactly my point,nagato can use it just fine.

Against hanzo,he had to use his own chakra to control gedo as it had no inner chakra source,and due to gedo's size and powers,a large amount was needed to control it,and nagato being an uzumaki,had huge chakra,but it still took a toll on him. After that,and after gedo got bijuus,nagato never got further emanciated,he could summon the same dragons that he did aganst hanzo,but rather to take the bijuus chakra,and he did it just fine.

Tobi used chakra chains in con juction with the chakra stakes which resulted in a stronger binding,pain never used the chains,tobi's binding was much stronger than PAIN nagato,he clearly added painbefore nagato for a reason,tobi is much stronger than pain,however,nagato is also much stronger than pain too,and nagato never used chakra chains on naruto,deva path had a fraction of nagato's chakra,hence a much weaker binding power,once nagato deactivated the other paths,deva had enough power to wipd out konoha,and that was just the chakra in the oter 6 put into him,nagato didnt add any more extra chakra,think of that power in binding terms.

Konan said that the powers of uchiha and senju were the powers of the 6 paths,which nagato has mastered.nagato's power comes from his eyes which contain the powers pf the uchiha and senju,he has controlled gedo both in physical and astral form

rinnegan is the only tool needed,however,as madara said,one with uchiha and senju power,could still control gedo EVEN without the rinnegan,which means it can be used as a substitute.madara also stated that the powers of both clans were needed,getting the dna is the mosty common way of getting the power,

izanagi also requires the powers of senju and uchiha,danzo has a sharingan which gave him the power of the uchiha,and senju dna to give hi the powers of the senju.

So if Uchiha dna is needed to awaken the sharingan,yet one who is not an uchiha can get the power pof the uchiha whose eyes he takes without his dna being modified,why cant one get the powers of the uchiha and senju,by getting the rinnegan which requires the combined dna of uchiha and senju together?.

Your eyes contain dna,AO,who has a byakugan,saw shushi's chakra colour in danzo's eyes,danzo and shushi dont have the same chakra,yet shushi's eyes in danzo have shushi's chakra,which means shushi's dna is in danzo,just not enough to alter his complete dna,unlike yamato.

The power of the clans are the main thing,not just dna.