[Discussion] Mystic Gohan vs Janemba

[Izuna Kakashi Senju]

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[Sasukenumberonelover]

Saiyan > Everyone else Broo

 

[Punk Hazard]

I say Janemba.

 

[Yo pappy]

I'm gonna go with Janemba, it wasn't until Goku and Vegeta fused that they stood a chance. I highly doubt Mystic Gohan is on par with Gogeta.

 

[NArutouzzi]

I say Janemba.

i agree with this

 

[VongolaX]

Janemba seems to me that he is stronger

 

[Crow.]

I'm gonna go with Janemba, it wasn't until Goku and Vegeta fused that they stood a chance. I highly doubt Mystic Gohan is on par with Gogeta.

This exactly bro.

 

[juankimari]

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Mystic Gohan would lose badly, he is the strongest Z warrior BUT Gogeta is just too powerful.It is equal to the sum of Goku´s and Vegeta´s power it´s augmented several times.In other words Fusion>>>>>>Goku+Vegeta fighting as a duo.And they had to fuse in order to defeat Janemba no one alone could stand a chance against him at that moment.

 

[Blast41]

But you guys do remember that Gogeta trashed Janemba low difficulty though right? I gotta say gohan on this one.

 

[Kaneki Kun]

Janemba...

 

[Bijuu Kage]

Janemba but gohan would give him a good fight

 

[Miles vi Britannia]

I'd say Janemba, Gohan was stong but not quite that strong. Super Saiyan 3 Goku stood no chance against Janemba at his best, and even though Gohan is superior to Goku in the long run, it's not by so much that it would enable him to be strong enough to solo Janemba. It took Gogeta to take the guy down, and Gohan just isn't that strong.

 

[Yo pappy]

But you guys do remember that Gogeta trashed Janemba low difficulty though right? I gotta say gohan on this one.

True, but even if Gogeta did defeat him with no difficulty you gotta remember Janemba was literally toying with them beforehand. There's no way in hell Gohan can go toe to toe with Goku, and Vegeta at the same time with no problems.

 

[Uisu]

What a stupid match up. Janemba would easily win this.

So many stupid people underestimate Janemba it's ridiculous.

 

[Zanji]

Alright this is a challenging one considering they are both my favorite characters in the series on the respected faction (Protagonist & Antagonist).

Alright it has been stated and shown that Mystic Gohan is stronger than a Super Saiyan 3, and can easily fight longer than a Super Saiyan 3 can due to the strain it puts on the one using it. Also we don't know how long SSJ3 Goku would have lasted against Super Janemba considering he had to go SSJ3 against fat Janemba and if I remember right had to use his Super Dragon Fist which forced Janemba to transform, and by the time that fight took place Goku was already getting exhausted from the fight. Also at that time Vegeta was nowhere NEAR Goku's power let alone Mystic Gohan's. Gohan Surpassed Vegeta during the end of the Cell Games, Vegeta then surpassed Gohan during the time skip, and finally when Gohan's mystic power was unlocked he far surpassed Vegeta and even Goku.

So blow for blow, I think this fight might end in a draw due to just how powerful the two characters are, but Janemba does have that 1 weakness that is highly retarded and highly against him when he is fighting a Saiyan.....especially Saiyan's who for some reason shout and look like their taking a shit when they are powering up. So in that instance Gohan has the minimal edge on Janemba

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

just because gogeta was the person who won doesnt mean gogeta is the minimum amount of power required to take janemba out. gohan wins

Alright it has been stated and shown that Mystic Gohan is stronger than a Super Saiyan 3,

completely and utterly impossible. so gohan > ssj3 vegetto? you said "a ssj3" so i can choose any ssj3 i want to fight him. ssj3 isnt a set power level

What a stupid match up. Janemba would easily win this.

how? he was shown taking damage from a mere dead ssj3 goku whos weaker than ssj1 gotenks

Super Saiyan 3 Goku stood no chance against Janemba at his best, and even though Gohan is superior to Goku in the long run, it's not by so much that it would enable him to be strong enough to solo Janemba.

yes it is considering gohan is hundreds of times above his father. goku admitted inferiority to ssj1 gotenks pre rosat. base gotenks post rosat > ssj gotenks pre rosat. gohan > ssj3 gotenks post rosat. goku damaging janemba, even a little, means gohan just points his finger and kills this clown.

It took Gogeta to take the guy down, and Gohan just isn't that strong.

whats your point? the fact that gogeta won doesnt mean hes the bare minimum you need to fight. considering how easy it was and that gohan wasnt there to measure up you can easily say that if ssj3 goku and ssj2 vegeta were damaging janemba, even a little, gohan can wipe him out completely. him not being up to gogetas standards doesnt matter

I highly doubt Mystic Gohan is on par with Gogeta.

why would he need ot be?

 

[Miles vi Britannia]

yes it is considering gohan is hundreds of times above his father. goku admitted inferiority to ssj1 gotenks pre rosat. base gotenks post rosat > ssj gotenks pre rosat. gohan > ssj3 gotenks post rosat. goku damaging janemba, even a little, means gohan just points his finger and kills this clown.

whats your point? the fact that gogeta won doesnt mean hes the bare minimum you need to fight. considering how easy it was and that gohan wasnt there to measure up you can easily say that if ssj3 goku and ssj2 vegeta were damaging janemba, even a little, gohan can wipe him out completely. him not being up to gogetas standards doesnt matter

That's not what you said about Gohan before, I recall you saying that Goku>Gohan. EoS Goku did do some training and all, but I really don't see how a few years of training will get Goku stronger than the Gohan that's "hundreds of times above his father."

That aside, you do make a valid point. I suppose that, assuming Janemba is above base Super Buu level, Gohan would still have a good chance against him since Gohan was curbstomping Buu. From what I recall of the movie though, Goku "damaging" Janemba was pretty minimal, he landed a few hits that did absolutely nothing and was on the defensive even with Vegeta's help. I haven't seen the movie in a while so I may not be completely right here, but I don't think how Goku and Vegeta fared against Janemba really counted as "damaging him", rather than just slowing their inevitable defeat so that alone doesn't really seal the deal.

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

people change. just because he can beat his dad in buu arc doesnt mean he can 10 years later. its not a "few years of training". its 10 years of the hardest training with vegeta while gohan was busy being a scholar and not fighting.
and janemba by the look on his face was being damaged by gokus hits. then he used mouth blast and that weakened goku and put him on the back foot. but in terms of hand to hand combat janemba was slightly losing

 

[Miles vi Britannia]

people change. just because he can beat his dad in buu arc doesnt mean he can 10 years later. its not a "few years of training". its 10 years of the hardest training with vegeta while gohan was busy being a scholar and not fighting.
and janemba by the look on his face was being damaged by gokus hits. then he used mouth blast and that weakened goku and put him on the back foot. but in terms of hand to hand combat janemba was slightly losing

Well if we compare EoS Goku and Gohan then yeah Goku wins by virtue of the fact that he's still training while Gohan's settled down. But even with extensive training EoS Goku might not be as strong as prime Gohan, I guess when it comes to DBZ there isn't a lot of definite logic about how much stronger characters can get but even then training alone has to have a limit somewhere.

And it seems like that happens a lot with DBZ characters in general. They'll feel the pain of the blows (except for the really obvious ones where the scene is practically dedicated to showing one guy stomping the other) but it doesn't really make much of a difference. In one of the more extreme examples I can recall, Vegeta using Final Flash on Cell visibly injured him a great deal, but a little bit later regeneration made that pretty much pointless and within seconds he was just fine. Damage was definitely done, but in the end it didn't really amount to anything. Anything Goku managed to pull on Janemba was probably much less notable than that.

 

[Uisu]

just because gogeta was the person who won doesnt mean gogeta is the minimum amount of power required to take janemba out. gohan wins

completely and utterly impossible. so gohan > ssj3 vegetto? you said "a ssj3" so i can choose any ssj3 i want to fight him. ssj3 isnt a set power level

how? he was shown taking damage from a mere dead ssj3 goku whos weaker than ssj1 gotenks

yes it is considering gohan is hundreds of times above his father. goku admitted inferiority to ssj1 gotenks pre rosat. base gotenks post rosat > ssj gotenks pre rosat. gohan > ssj3 gotenks post rosat. goku damaging janemba, even a little, means gohan just points his finger and kills this clown.

whats your point? the fact that gogeta won doesnt mean hes the bare minimum you need to fight. considering how easy it was and that gohan wasnt there to measure up you can easily say that if ssj3 goku and ssj2 vegeta were damaging janemba, even a little, gohan can wipe him out completely. him not being up to gogetas standards doesnt matter

why would he need ot be?

Janemba wasn't even trying when he faced Goku SSJ3. Janemba wasn't at full power until Gogeta came so he was just toying around with SSJ3 Goku, that's why Goku got some hits on Janemba. DBZ wiki states that the Toei website for the DBZ Movies state that Super Janemba is stronger than Hirudegarn! Mystic Gohan got stomped by Hirudegarn that wasn't even in his strongest form! Super Janemba would rip Mystic Gohan to shreds and people that think Gohan wins this are idiotic fanboys like you.