My View on the Tobidara theory

[ROHAN]

What is Tobidara ? Tobidara is actually Madara's will inside Obito. Though, Obito has passed on many chapters ago, which would make the theory completely void, one way still exists.

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And that is Spiral Zetsu.

This is possible considering how compatible Obito was with Spiral Zetsu.

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But, if we use logic, the Tobidara theory has one fundamental problem which completely demolishes it.

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Yes, the problem is Madara himself.

Let, me explain.

Black Zetsu can record events through his perspective.

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He can transfer these memories to other people.

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By Physical contact.

The bold is important.

This is Madara's view on Infinite Tsukuyomi, his Ultimate and Final goal, the reason why he drove to do everything which led to Kaguya's revival.

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And this is the reality of Infinite Tsukuyomi as said by Black Zetsu.

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But, Black Zetsu has completely covered Madara.

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This caused Black Zetsu's knowledge of the end results of Infinite Tsukuyomi to transfer to Madara.

Leading to this shocked expression of Madara.

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The facial expression shows that Madara is shocked at Black Zetsu's revelation of the end results of Infinite Tsukuyomi.

Do you actually think Madara would have wanted this ?

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No, he finally realized his mistake, he saw the reality of Infinite Tsukuyomi.

That's why he gives up on everything.

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The last lines in this manga scan are a translation error. Madara actually gives up and accepts that his dream world was not a pathway to peace.

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But, this in turn makes Tobidara, his will completely void, because it was only Madara's ideal of a dream world; that was driving it. Without, Madara; Tobidara can't do anything.

Even if he exists, what could be his purpose ?

A sideline view could be that Tobidara would break Infinite Tsukuyomi under Madara's will.

But that won't make him the final villain of the series anymore. His motives would only be good because of Madara's redemption.

Which could very well be this :-

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I know how will Tobidara emerge last chapter.

- Fact #1! We know that shinobi can use transplants!

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- Fact #2! We know that we have a lying body out there

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...with two available arms.

- Reasoning: It's Madara's body. So, this is how Tobidara emerge! The true geniousity of lawd Madara will let him emerge once again from the ashes! He will emerge in both Naruto and Sasuke at the same time! And this will be the great Tobidara reveal, which curiously, doesn't have anything to do with Tobi!

LMFAO

Lol

 

[SS100]

sometimes i think that its kishi who creates this retarded threads

 

[Byron123]

I copy paste myself lol: You know Tobidara as of now literally makes no sense plot wise. At first it was an extremely far-fetched idea but now.... Madara had already reached the peak of his power and the success of his plan by becoming Bijuu Jin and by casting the IT. Now that he's no longer around what would be his purpose exactly? To try to do everything all over again, it's repetitive. Also, you can't evven suggest that Madara knew everything and fell on purpose for Kaguya's tricks. Why would anyone give up on his current success just to chase after it afterwards?

 

[Jack Skellington]

I believe that Tobidara could somewhat have to do with The villian of the Last movie(Forgot name...)

 

[Mari Makinami]

Isn't Tobidara just minamoto's fanfic?

 

[Slifer]

10/10 would read again.

But lost interest in the manga. Story is lame, but god bless it ends this week. So I cant blame kishi for**** up the story, cause its over =D

 

[ROHAN]

Isn't Tobidara just minamoto's fanfic?

Apparently, his obsession with this theory has gotten me extremely concerned.

 

[Punk Hazard]

That's not even a shocked expression. That's a "Holy shit a black mass has pierced my chest, invaded my body, and now I'm about to explode and die" expression.

There is no Tobidara, accept it nerds.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Aside of the last quote, you got me very focused in your thread, which is basically, a deep analysis of why the Tobidara's theory isn't plotwisely talking "plausible".

You're actually right about Tobidara not making sense, due the motive of Madara "surrendering".

But you have a mistake in there, mister (it would be really strage for me to find a point in favor of the Tobidara theory, but bleh, I found one): Tobidara's theory considers the possibility of the existence of two Madaras. This said, you said that the real Madara surrendered. But what about the second?

 

[Slifer]

That's not even a shocked expression. That's a "Holy shit a black mass has pierced my chest, invaded my body, and now I'm about to explode and die" expression.

There is no Tobidara, accept it nerds.

This is a bit wrong. madara did never explode. If you watch carefully you see BZ goes over his skin. There is no explosion. His eyes/head is just covered in black )

 

[Punk Hazard]

This is a bit wrong. madara did never explode. If you watch carefully you see BZ goes over his skin. There is no explosion. His eyes/head is just covered in black )

I didn't say he was going to explode. I know Madara didn't explode, but he didn't know he wasn't going to.

 

[ROHAN]

Aside of the last quote, you got me very focused in your thread, which is basically, a deep analysis of why the Tobidara's theory isn't plotwisely talking "plausible".

You're actually right about Tobidara not making sense, due the motive of Madara "surrendering".

But you have a mistake in there, mister (it would be really strage for me to find a point in favor of the Tobidara theory, but bleh, I found one): Tobidara's theory considers the possibility of the existence of two Madaras. This said, you said that the real Madara surrendered. But what about the second?

I don't think there would be a second Madara. Because, what's the point of introducing two Madaras ? Not only does it cause confusion, it also ruins Madara's character. I made the theory on the premise that Tobidara was Madara's will. With Madara's ideals demolished, what could Tobidara, if he exists do ?

That's not even a shocked expression. That's a "Holy shit a black mass has pierced my chest, invaded my body, and now I'm about to explode and die" expression.

There is no Tobidara, accept it nerds.

No that face shows shock. And I think it's because of Black Zetsu connecting him, that Madara saw how Black Zetsu had manipulated him into becoming his pawn.

 

[Slifer]

Do you guys know whats sad? That we need to make theories about other user theories cause the manga itself is at a point where mysteries are not important anymore.

Wonder what Rabbit Teeth is doing... I need some amazing shit =D

 

[Mr Hiru]

I don't think there would be a second Madara. Because, what's the point of introducing two Madaras ? Not only does it cause confusion, it also ruins Madara's character. I made the theory on the premise that Tobidara was Madara's will. With Madara's ideals demolished, what could Tobidara, if he exists do ?

That's the limit of that theory, though

 

[ROHAN]

Do you guys know whats sad? That we need to make theories about other user theories cause the manga itself is at a point where mysteries are not important anymore.

Wonder what Rabbit Teeth is doing... I need some amazing shit =D

Well, I made many theories on the future plotine of Naruto in Part 3 and to be honest it's finished. The only things that could be added won't be relevant until those theories actually come true in which the possibility is extremely low. Lol

I still want to read more Orochimaru theories though. Lol

 

[Rabbit Teth]

Do you guys know whats sad? That we need to make theories about other user theories cause the manga itself is at a point where mysteries are not important anymore.

Wonder what Rabbit Teeth is doing... I need some amazing shit =D

All out of amazing shit for the moment, I'm afraid. It looks like there is a lot of material turning up in the DB which will force me to abandon some of my theories. I'm clinging to the hope that we get some kind of Spiral or Oro moment in the last chapter. I've been sticking to the theory that Spiral could be the remains of Indra for a long time and the moment seems opportune for some kind of reveal in the last two chapters.

I think the sympathy and worrying for Minamoto is misplaced. He's got a solid theory and some interesting ideas for how it could come to pass. He might put on a front in order to spur debate but I doubt he's as deluded as many people think. I'd get some vicarious pleasure from seeing his Tobidara theory come to pass. There's nothing quite like being right when everybody else is wrong. On the flip side the bigger the punt the easier it is to let go of - and the Tobidara theory is one big punt.

 

[minamoto]

the title is misleading....becuz it the it should be discussing or criticizing my tobidara theory....but wyat you are doing is just creating another version of the tobidara theory.......its not even a Tobidara theory...its a black zetsu theory......

-i apreciatte the effort you made in this thread but i feel like its ruining my reall tobidara theory (not demolishing it)

 

[ROHAN]

the title is misleading....becuz it the it should be discussing or criticizing my tobidara theory....but wyat you are doing is just creating another version of the tobidara theory.......its not even a Tobidara theory...its a black zetsu theory......

-i apreciatte the effort you made in this thread but i feel like its ruining my reall tobidara theory (not demolishing it)

Thanks for your input. Lol

 

[HyugaName]

Nice theory! I applaud you sir!

 

[ROHAN]

Nice theory! I applaud you sir!

Thanks.