My thoughts on rinnegan and tenseigan mechaniacs

[Darth AniCetuS]

Why it should be sharingan pattern, when the eye that was used to cast genjutsu was Rinnegan?

Exactly it was a rinnegan genjutsu then.

Sasuke used his left eye which is Rinnegan that's how controlling genjutsu works on bijuu's, their eyes will always reflect eyes of caster's genjutsu. It was sharingan power but used through Rinnegan, hence why Rinnegan pattern was reflected.

Better prove it before stating it to be a fact.

Sharingan can cast visual genjutsu on bijuus and their eyes will reflect it = fact

Sharingan could control one bijuu at a time is also a fact.

No Rinnegan user ever casted a visual genjutsu = fact

More speculation than fact unless you prove that Sasuke's was sharingan genjutsu for certain.

Sasuke Rinnegan possess Sharingan/MS powers = fact

Agreed.

Bijuu's that were controlled by Sasuke reflected the same eye that was used to cast genjutsu(sharingan genjutsu trait)

Pein contolled his summonings using path and they all reflected the rinnegan pattern fact. So a rinnegan genjutsu should also be able to do that not to mention the bijuu's affected by the sharingan genjutsu are being mind controlled, we don't see that in the bijuus affected by Sasuke's rinnegan genjutsu. They're conscious but without any control over their bodies.

I think it's pretty clear now?
Madara made it even more clear when his wood clone had to switch to EMS to cast genjutsu, because Rinnegan doesn't have genjutsu ability, unless you have a hybrid eye like Sasuke does, then you can use sharingan powers with/through Rinnegan.

Sasuke was the first to have rinnegan genjutsu so obviously Madara had to switch to EMS to cast genjutsu.

 

[SeveN797]

Exactly it was a rinnegan genjutsu then.

No Rinnegan was used as a medium. Already explained it with amaterasu example. Using MS powers or Sharingan powers through Rinnegan makes them Rinnegan jutsu now? Regarding to your previous post, indeed amaterasu didn't behave different why would it? Neither did sharingan genjutsu, bijuu's were under control and their eyes were reflecting it, nothing changed.

Better prove it before stating it to be a fact.

Already proved it, his Rinnegan is a hybrid eye and normal Rinnegan doesn't have genjutsu ability.

Sharingan could control one bijuu at a time is also a fact.

Because no one ever tried to control more? The only time this could happened is when Madara was facing them, but he didnt have Sharingan back there, he did have Rinnegan tho, wonder why didn't he use "rinnegan genjutsu" then?

More speculation than fact unless you prove that Sasuke's was sharingan genjutsu for certain.

Already did. His eye is hybrid between Rinnegan and Sharingan. No one besides Sasuke casted genjutsu through Rinnegan because they had ordinary Rinnegan which doesn't have genjutsu ability.

Pein contolled his summonings using path and they all reflected the rinnegan pattern fact. So a rinnegan genjutsu should also be able to do that not to mention the bijuu's affected by the sharingan genjutsu are being mind controlled, we don't see that in the bijuus affected by Sasuke's rinnegan genjutsu. They're conscious but without any control over their bodies.

Pain/Nagato was controlling everything through Outer Path and chakra receivers, it wasn't any type of visual genjutsu wtf are you talking about.
You know how genjutsu works on bijuu's? You always have full control over them, and they're always being mind controlled so if Sasuke wanted he could have turned them against Naruto. You can do whatever you want once you control them, Sasuke left them conscious because he wasn't planning to make them fight Naruto, instead using them as a chakra source and trapping in CT.

Sasuke was the first to have rinnegan genjutsu so obviously Madara had to switch to EMS to cast genjutsu.

You know why Sasuke was the first to be able to do that? Because unlike Madara's his Rinnegan is a hybrid eye and it kept ability to cast visual genjutsu, simple as that. Casting sharingan powers through Rinnegan doesn't make them Rinnegan techs. Amaterasu is still MS power, Susanoo is still MS power, precog is still sharingan power, visual genjutsu is still sharingan power.

 

[ROHAN]

I think the root of the rinnegans and what I expect of the tenseigans 6 paths powers is inspired from the Samsara concept

And samsara deals with the cycle of rebirth aka reincarnation. And samsara has 6 categories of things you can get reincarnated on the wheel of life.

A deva (god), a ashura (demon), human, animal, preta (ghosts), naraka (spirits damned in hell)

Also these six paths constitute six realms I'm sure a six path dojutsu could vary in abilities of what power they get from each realm for example deva path we usually see we gravity powers but maybe you get a fire devas flame ability or something.

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This is super obvious at this point and many theories have been made on it...... You are bringing nothing new to the table.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

No Rinnegan was used as a medium. Already explained it with amaterasu example. Using MS powers or Sharingan powers through Rinnegan makes them Rinnegan jutsu now? Regarding to your previous post, indeed amaterasu didn't behave different why would it? Neither did sharingan genjutsu, bijuu's were under control and their eyes were reflecting it, nothing changed.

Bijuu's were under control of a sharingan genjutsu, shouldn't it reflect a sharingan then? It was reflecting his rinnegan instead...

Already proved it, his Rinnegan is a hybrid eye and normal Rinnegan doesn't have genjutsu ability.

Speculation is not proof.

Because no one ever tried to control more? The only time this could happened is when Madara was facing them, but he didnt have Sharingan back there, he did have Rinnegan tho, wonder why didn't he use "rinnegan genjutsu" then?

That again doesn't prove they could've controlled more even if they wanted to. And we all know Madara never had a rinnegan genjutsu so I wonder why you're wondering why he didn't control them using his rinnegan lol.

Already did. His eye is hybrid between Rinnegan and Sharingan. No one besides Sasuke casted genjutsu through Rinnegan because they had ordinary Rinnegan which doesn't have genjutsu ability.

Still waiting for proof that it was shringan genjutsu. Just cuz you say it is doesn't make t

Pain/Nagato was controlling everything through Outer Path and chakra receivers, it wasn't any type of visual genjutsu wtf are you talking about.
You know how genjutsu works on bijuu's? You always have full control over them, and they're always being mind controlled so if Sasuke wanted he could have turned them against Naruto. You can do whatever you want once you control them, Sasuke left them conscious because he wasn't planning to make them fight Naruto, instead using them as a chakra source and trapping in CT.

When did I ever say Pein was using any genjutsu. I said the effect was similar.
@Bold Is pure fanfic lol.
They were fully conscious and Kurama even talked to Naruto. I don't know which manga you read but the bijuu's under Sasuke's control weren't being mind controlled. Sasuke left them conscious cuz that's probably how his jutsu works unless you can prove that's not the case instead of posting more fanfics.

You know why Sasuke was the first to be able to do that? Because unlike Madara's his Rinnegan is a hybrid eye and it kept ability to cast visual genjutsu, simple as that. Casting sharingan powers through Rinnegan doesn't make them Rinnegan techs. Amaterasu is still MS power, Susanoo is still MS power, precog is still sharingan power, visual genjutsu is still sharingan power.

Repeating the same thing over and over again doesn't make them a fact.
All you've been doing is speculating this and that putting them as fact.
Show proof and then we'll talk.....

 

[SeveN797]

Bijuu's were under control of a sharingan genjutsu, shouldn't it reflect a sharingan then? It was reflecting his rinnegan instead...

Because he decided to cast this genjutsu through his left eye? Sasuke has sharingan powers in both eyes, if he decided to cast it through right eye they would reflect 3T.

Speculation is not proof.

So Sasuke having hybrid eye is speculation now? Normal Rinnegan not having genjutsu is speculation now? Can you post a scan of someone with normal Rinnegan using genjutsu? Do you see any genjutsu ability mentioned in rinnegan databooks or here

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That again doesn't prove they could've controlled more even if they wanted to. And we all know Madara never had a rinnegan genjutsu so I wonder why you're wondering why he didn't control them using his rinnegan lol.

I asked this question because you're trying to imply that all Rinnegans have a genjutsu ability and you keep ignoring the fact that the only person that ever used genjutsu with Rinnegan didn't have an ordinary Rinnegan, but a hybrid with sharingan powers.

When did I ever say Pein was using any genjutsu. I said the effect was similar.
@Bold Is pure fanfic lol.
They were fully conscious and Kurama even talked to Naruto. I don't know which manga you read but the bijuu's under Sasuke's control weren't being mind controlled. Sasuke left them conscious cuz that's probably how his jutsu works unless you can prove that's not the case instead of posting more fanfics.

As I explained, Sasuke left them fully conscious because he was planning to trap them in CT, not making them fight, so paralyzing them was enough.

Repeating the same thing over and over again doesn't make them a fact.
All you've been doing is speculating this and that putting them as fact.
Show proof and then we'll talk.....

I keep repeating it because you keep denying it/failing to understand it. You also keep ignoring this question :

"Using MS powers or Sharingan powers through Rinnegan makes them Rinnegan jutsu now?"

This whole thing would be debatable if Sasuke had also a normal Rinnegan and used it to cast genjutsu. Then he would be indeed first person to ever have a "rinnegan genjutsu", but since Rinnegan was never shown to cast a visual genjutsu and Sasuke's Rinnegan is exception since it have have ALL sharingan/MS powers then it's logical to assume that he used sharingan genjutsu with it, just like he used amaterasu with rinnegan.

 

[Sagebee]

This is super obvious at this point and many theories have been made on it...... You are bringing nothing new to the table.

Hmm didn't know so people already theorized how exactly the mechaniacs work of why they have certain abilities

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Because he decided to cast this genjutsu through his left eye? Sasuke has sharingan powers in both eyes, if he decided to cast it through right eye they would reflect 3T.

So Sasuke could cast a genjutsu powerful enough to control all 9 bijuus using either eye...:elmo:
I'll ask again where's the proof? Since you already know so much please tell us why he decided to cast it using his right eye?...:lol

So Sasuke having hybrid eye is speculation now? Normal Rinnegan not having genjutsu is speculation now? Can you post a scan of someone with normal Rinnegan using genjutsu? Do you see any genjutsu ability mentioned in rinnegan databooks or here

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@Bold Never said that. Please read my posts again.
Sasuke using sharingan to cast the genjutsu is speculation is what I meant.
There are a lot of things that databook doesn't mention but is in the manga.

I asked this question because you're trying to imply that all Rinnegans have a genjutsu ability and you keep ignoring the fact that the only person that ever used genjutsu with Rinnegan didn't have an ordinary Rinnegan, but a hybrid with sharingan powers.

@Bold Again read all of my posts and tell me where did I ever say or imply that all rinnegans have genjutsu abilities. From the beginning I've said I am merely speculating of it being a rinnegan genjutsu and the reason we're having this conversation is because you're trying to prove that Sasuke used a sharingan genjutsu because you said so lol. All I am asking is for you to prove it before presenting it as a fact. Hope you get the point this time smh.

As I explained, Sasuke left them fully conscious because he was planning to trap them in CT, not making them fight, so paralyzing them was enough.

Again, I don't care what you say or think. Do you have proof or not....

I keep repeating it because you keep denying it/failing to understand it. You also keep ignoring this question :

"Using MS powers or Sharingan powers through Rinnegan makes them Rinnegan jutsu now?"

This whole thing would be debatable if Sasuke had also a normal Rinnegan and used it to cast genjutsu. Then he would be indeed first person to ever have a "rinnegan genjutsu", but since Rinnegan was never shown to cast a visual genjutsu and Sasuke's Rinnegan is exception since it have have ALL sharingan/MS powers then it's logical to assume that he used sharingan genjutsu with it, just like he used amaterasu with rinnegan.

@Bold Ofc not, but first you need to prove that he used an MS ability to cast the genjutsu considering how different the effect of the genjutsu was compared to a sharingan's visual genjutsu which works on the affected's mind which was not the case here.
So I don't care what you think is logical to assume, cuz I find your's flawed and ignoring one thing over the other. So unless you can prove them with actual facts you're not going to convince me.

 

[DrProof]

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lol.

 

[Sagebee]

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lol.

Why'd you copy me:lol but seriously rinnegan being related to samsara goes without saying since in Japanese literally means samsara eyes

But in discussing what that means and how the mechaniacs I think work

 

[SeveN797]

So Sasuke could cast a genjutsu powerful enough to control all 9 bijuus using either eye...:elmo:
I'll ask again where's the proof? Since you already know so much please tell us why he decided to cast it using his right eye?...:lol

Im not kishi so don't ask me why he used his left eye, all I know is that he could have used his Sharingan eye for that aswell, since he used Sharingan ability through his Rinnegan eye.

@Bold Never said that. Please read my posts again.
Sasuke using sharingan to cast the genjutsu is speculation is what I meant.
There are a lot of things that databook doesn't mention but is in the manga.

So you agree with these 2 things : So Sasuke having hybrid eye is speculation now? Normal Rinnegan not having genjutsu is speculation now?
In this case you should already understand that Sasuke using sharingan to cast the genjutsu isn't speculation, but the only logical explanation. I know databooks doesn't mention everything, but I don't know why you brought up manga, since genjutsu casted by normal rinnegan didn't happen in manga either.

@Bold Again read all of my posts and tell me where did I ever say or imply that all rinnegans have genjutsu abilities. From the beginning I've said I am merely speculating of it being a rinnegan genjutsu and the reason we're having this conversation is because you're trying to prove that Sasuke used a sharingan genjutsu because you said so lol. All I am asking is for you to prove it before presenting it as a fact. Hope you get the point this time smh.

No it's not "because I said so" you just keep denying every fact that goes for sharingan version, yet what's funny there's literally 0 arguments for it to be a rinnegan version yet you keep arguing.

Again, I don't care what you say or think. Do you have proof or not....

What proof? That Sasuke could fully control them if he wanted, but he didn't because he was going to trap them in CT anyways?

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Sasuke restricted their movement and there was no need to take any further actions regarding control since he was going to put them in CT anyways.

@Bold Ofc not, but first you need to prove that he used an MS ability to cast the genjutsu considering how different the effect of the genjutsu was compared to a sharingan's visual genjutsu which works on the affected's mind which was not the case here.
So I don't care what you think is logical to assume, cuz I find your's flawed and ignoring one thing over the other. So unless you can prove them with actual facts you're not going to convince me.

Already explained the differences regarding mind control. Sasuke from the start didn't want to make bijuu's his allies like Madara and Obito did with Kyuubi. Why would he want to fully control bijuu's if he was going to trap them in CT anyways? It's like making an ally and then attacking him lol. As far as we know the Rinnegan can't cast genjutsu, and we know Sasuke has used his Sharingan abilities through his left eye so the conclusion is really simple.

 

[HENI]

Fillergan isn't based on anything, it's literal meaning is Reincarnation Eye, but that's it, it has no connections to any religion or any symbolism etc.

Rinnegan is based on samsara which also refers to cycle of life(reincarnation)

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it may connect to Judaism's belief in reincarnation

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Im not kishi so don't ask me why he used his left eye,

For a moment I thought you were considering how you've been presenting your assumptions as facts...:lol

all I know is that he could have used his Sharingan eye for that aswell, since he used Sharingan ability through his Rinnegan eye.

How do you know? Scans or proof? Proof that it was a sharingan ability?

So you agree with these 2 things : So Sasuke having hybrid eye is speculation now? Normal Previous Rinnegan not having genjutsu is speculation now?

Never disagreed to begin with.

In this case you should already understand that Sasuke using sharingan to cast the genjutsu isn't speculation, but the only logical explanation. I know databooks doesn't mention everything, but I don't know why you brought up manga, since genjutsu casted by normal rinnegan didn't happen in manga either.

@Bold Nope, that would only make sense if the bijuus had only sharingan pattern but they had rinnegan's instead.
Sasuke used rinnegan imo to cast the genjutsu.

No it's not "because I said so" you just keep denying every fact that goes for sharingan version, yet what's funny there's literally 0 arguments for it to be a rinnegan version yet you keep arguing.

Look I am not denying anything. Maybe you're right, but what you're presenting as facts to prove your points are nothing but assumptions and speculations. There's no confirmation and I find his genjutsu to be a rinnegan type considering the situation and how it worked to be much more plausible.

What proof? That Sasuke could fully control them if he wanted, but he didn't because he was going to trap them in CT anyways?

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Sasuke restricted their movement and there was no need to take any further actions regarding control since he was going to put them in CT anyways.

Fanfic.

Already explained the differences regarding mind control. Sasuke from the start didn't want to make bijuu's his allies like Madara and Obito did with Kyuubi. Why would he want to fully control bijuu's if he was going to trap them in CT anyways? It's like making an ally and then attacking him lol. As far as we know the Rinnegan can't cast genjutsu, and we know Sasuke has used his Sharingan abilities through his left eye so the conclusion is really simple.

Again fanfic without any proof.

 

[SeveN797]

@Bold Nope, that would only make sense if the bijuus had only sharingan pattern but they had rinnegan's instead.
Sasuke used rinnegan imo to cast the genjutsu.

Okay, let's look at IT, why do you think Madara needed 3rd eye to cast it? Why could he not cast it with Rinnegans? Why did he need Rinnesharingan to cast Infinite Tsukuyomi ? Why affected people had Rinnegan pattern and not Rinnesharingan, despite Rinnesharingan being reflected on the moon? The the answer is simple, genjutsu was always Sharingan's trait not Rinnegan's and it stayed like this to the end.

Look I am not denying anything. Maybe you're right, but what you're presenting as facts to prove your points are nothing but assumptions and speculations. There's no confirmation and I find his genjutsu to be a rinnegan type considering the situation and how it worked to be much more plausible.

Atleast those are logical assumptions and speculations that goes for sharingan. Meanwhile you have 0 arguments for it to be Rinnegan genjutsu, besides Rinnegan pattern but that doesn't prove anything.

Fanfic.

Again fanfic without any proof.

Im surprised if what I just wrote is fanfic, then what kind of proof are you waiting for? Do you want me to re-write the manga and make Sasuke to do so that he gives orders to bijuus?

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Okay, let's look at IT, why do you think Madara needed 3rd eye to cast it? Why could he not cast it with Rinnegans? Why did he need Rinnesharingan to cast Infinite Tsukuyomi ? Why affected people had Rinnegan pattern and not Rinnesharingan, despite Rinnesharingan being reflected on the moon? The the answer is simple, genjutsu was always Sharingan's trait not Rinnegan's and it stayed like this to the end.

Why couldn't he cast it using sharingan or why Obito couldn't cast it using sharingan?
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Atleast those are logical assumptions and speculations that goes for sharingan. Meanwhile you have 0 arguments for it to be Rinnegan genjutsu, besides Rinnegan pattern but that doesn't prove anything.

@Bold Exactly and assumptions do not transform into facts logical or not.

Im surprised if what I just wrote is fanfic, then what kind of proof are you waiting for? Do you want me to re-write the manga and make Sasuke to do so that he gives orders to bijuus?

Well I'd like scans that confirms that it is a Sharingan genjutsu and not assumptions.

 

[SeveN797]

Why couldn't he cast it using sharingan or why Obito couldn't cast it using sharingan?
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They could and that genjutsu is called Tsukuyomi, although only Itachi had it. For Infinite Tsukuyomi you have to combine Rinnegan and Sharingan powers, hence Rinnesharingan is needed. I knew you would post this scan, but it doesn't prove anything, if what Sasuke said was true, then Madara would cast it with his Rinnegan only and Sasuke would cancel it with his own. Also mind that he said "probably" which means he was speculating and in the end he was wrong, since only Rinnegan wasn't enough to cancel it just like Rinnegan only wasn't enough to cast it.

@Bold Exactly and assumptions do not transform into facts logical or not.

If a fact/proof for you have only one meaning and it's manga scan then you shouldn't be discussing with anyone.
Susanoo was said to be 3rd power and require 2 MS powers in each eye to unlock. Madara has Susanoo but he
never showed his 2 MS powers. Does it mean he doesn't have them despite having Susanoo?
Not everything is covered in the manga and there isn't a manga scan for everything. For some "facts" you have to think by urself. Good example are Naruto fans arguing that he's immune to IT and while there isn't a manga scan for that, there were few logical arguments. I don't remember them all now, but there was something like that his gudodama could block IT's light. I don't remember if you was one of those Naruto fans, but if you was then you should already know what kind of person that makes you.

Well I'd like scans that confirms that it is a Sharingan genjutsu and not assumptions.

No I wasn't talking about this, neither was you. You called fanfic these 2 posts :

What proof? That Sasuke could fully control them if he wanted, but he didn't because he was going to trap them in CT anyways?

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Sasuke restricted their movement and there was no need to take any further actions regarding control since he was going to put them in CT anyways.

Already explained the differences regarding mind control. Sasuke from the start didn't want to make bijuu's his allies like Madara and Obito did with Kyuubi. Why would he want to fully control bijuu's if he was going to trap them in CT anyways? It's like making an ally and then attacking him lol. As far as we know the Rinnegan can't cast genjutsu, and we know Sasuke has used his Sharingan abilities through his left eye so the conclusion is really simple.

Where I basically explained what happened in the manga and why didnt Sasuke take full control of bijuu's yet you're calling it fanfic? As I said looks like you want me to re-write the manga and this would be the only "proof" you accepts since you're denying all of my explanations.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

They could and that genjutsu is called Tsukuyomi, although only Itachi had it. For Infinite Tsukuyomi you have to combine Rinnegan and Sharingan powers, hence Rinnesharingan is needed. I knew you would post this scan, but it doesn't prove anything, if what Sasuke said was true, then Madara would cast it with his Rinnegan only and Sasuke would cancel it with his own. Also mind that he said "probably" which means he was speculating and in the end he was wrong, since only Rinnegan wasn't enough to cancel it just like Rinnegan only wasn't enough to cast it.

Did Kakashi's other eye turned into a sharingan when Itachi soloed him with a Tsukiyomi cuz all those affected with IT had rinnegan eye pattern. Anyway Sasuke literally said that only a rinnegan stands to counter a rinnegan genjutsu he never said anything about ending it.

If a fact/proof for you have only one meaning and it's manga scan then you shouldn't be discussing with anyone.

Well I enjoy discussing with people who come up with interesting theories but are smart enough to never call them as fact till canon confirms it....

Susanoo was said to be 3rd power and require 2 MS powers in each eye to unlock. Madara has Susanoo but he
never showed his 2 MS powers. Does it mean he doesn't have them despite having Susanoo?

But it has been confirmed with Itachi, Obito's MS when they used different abilities from each eye.

Not everything is covered in the manga and there isn't a manga scan for everything. For some "facts" you have to think by urself. Good example are Naruto fans arguing that he's immune to IT and while there isn't a manga scan for that, there were few logical arguments. I don't remember them all now, but there was something like that his gudodama could block IT's light. I don't remember if you was one of those Naruto fans, but if you was then you should already know what kind of person that makes you.

I agree that you don't have manga scans for everything but then their are concrete evidences to consider them as facts. The points that you however made while good do not exactly confirm that it was a sharingan genjutsu for certain.

No I wasn't talking about this, neither was you. You called fanfic these 2 posts :
Where I basically explained what happened in the manga and why didnt Sasuke take full control of bijuu's yet you're calling it fanfic? As I said looks like you want me to re-write the manga and this would be the only "proof" you accepts since you're denying all of my explanations.

First I am not convinced with your explanation of his genjutsu being a Sharingan genjutsu and thus the point you made about him taking control over the bijuus is nothing but a speculation till you could prove the first and then you need to prove the second.

Anyway instead of only us discussing whether it was a rinnegan genjutsu or sharingan. Why don't you create a thread and share your opinion there and let others participate and share there views as well. Since you're so confident about this I don't think you'd mind creating a thread. Maybe the other members will bring in points we've ignored here.

 

[SeveN797]

Did Kakashi's other eye turned into a sharingan when Itachi soloed him with a Tsukiyomi cuz all those affected with IT had rinnegan eye pattern. Anyway Sasuke literally said that only a rinnegan stands to counter a rinnegan genjutsu he never said anything about ending it.

It didn't because Itachi used it to knock him down, just like Obito did to Konan.
@bold read what Naruto asked Sasuke and then read Sasuke's answer again.

I agree that you don't have manga scans for everything but then their are concrete evidences to consider them as facts. The points that you however made while good do not exactly confirm that it was a sharingan genjutsu for certain.

And... finally we cleared this up and can end this discussion. When there are no manga scans and it's all about speculations, then it's only up to people and their opinions and whenever they want to believe it or not.
@bold is your opinion, if you are still not convinced then fine, I can stop now. For me these points are good enough, I tried to give you more examples like that with IT. If that's not enough for you, then we can stop now since this will go nowhere.

Anyway instead of only us discussing whether it was a rinnegan genjutsu or sharingan. Why don't you create a thread and share your opinion there and let others participate and share there views as well. Since you're so confident about this I don't think you'd mind creating a thread. Maybe the other members will bring in points we've ignored here.

I rarely make threads but I actually mentioned these points several times before on this forum in other threads whenever someone was talking about this genjutsu, but none actually replied and discussed as much as you did, so that will be enough for now. Anyways it's not like I need more convincing or more opinions on this. I think i read this theory first on this forum in some old thread and then googled a bit to see if people in somewhere else think same, and indeed I think i found 2 other forums where people also agreed it was Sharingan, I decided to believe this aswell since the points were good enough for me.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

It didn't because Itachi used it to knock him down, just like Obito did to Konan.
@bold read what Naruto asked Sasuke and then read Sasuke's answer again.

Does dealt means end?.....:wut:
I'd say it depends on the context its used and we clearly saw what Sasuke meant from his actions. He blocked the light from IT and that's all.

And... finally we cleared this up and can end this discussion. When there are no manga scans and it's all about speculations, then it's only up to people and their opinions and whenever they want to believe it or not.
@bold is your opinion, if you are still not convinced then fine, I can stop now. For me these points are good enough, I tried to give you more examples like that with IT. If that's not enough for you, then we can stop now since this will go nowhere.

I glad that you get it finally lol.

I rarely make threads but I actually mentioned these points several times before on this forum in other threads whenever someone was talking about this genjutsu, but none actually replied and discussed as much as you did, so that will be enough for now. Anyways it's not like I need more convincing or more opinions on this. I think i read this theory first on this forum in some old thread and then googled a bit to see if people in somewhere else think same, and indeed I think i found 2 other forums where people also agreed it was Sharingan, I decided to believe this aswell since the points were good enough for me.

Could make an interesting thread. Think about it. Doesn't matter if it was made before or not cuz threads are being recycled at NB anyway these days.