My thoughts on if Hagoromo ever had Sharingan

[Kirin The Dragon Sage]

Your opinion it dosnt matters, logically he should have sharingan.

 

[Holy God]

I mostly agree, but Sharingan and Rinnegan are not separate jutsu. The Rinnegan can be obtained through Sharingan in modern times, making it a simple part of the Rinnegan. The ability of the Sharingan to copy jutsu is evidence of this, considering the Rinnegan allows the user to learn all single element jutsu known to man. The Sharingan is simply a lesser version of the Rinnegan, not separate.

You do know that the Sharingan doesn't have an innate ability to specifically copy, right? It's only because it can see in slow motion where chakra is and how hands are formed for seals. That's completely different than the Rinnegan's ability to give potential master in all five basic elements.

 

[neosmith500]

Your 100% correct.

Him having kaguya's pale byakugan eyes make sense , but its also possible hagoromo inherited his fathers eyes which were maybe pitch black while hamura received his mothers eye. I feel its the Human DNA , Juubi chakra along with kaguya's otsutsuki DNA that resulted in Hamura awakening the Tenseigan , which he split into his branch of the Otsutsuki clan and hyuga clan respectively , in the form of byakugan/tenseigan.

Your opinion it dosnt matters, logically he should have sharingan.

How is that even slightly logical when it takes ashura chakra + indra chakra to awaken rinnegan in the first place , guess who had those two chakra from birth? , "Hagoromo".

It would've been logical if he awakened rinnegan 1 second after awakening sharingan or just unlock it instead rather than half it take years like madara's did , wtf.

So sasuke uchiha awakens rinnegan instantly after gaining half hagoromo's chakra but hagoromo himself who obviously already has his own chakra and DNA takes years to awaken rinnegan like madara who only took a piece of ashura's chakra/DNA , thats logical to you?

It should've evolved instantly with less lag time than sasukes.

 

[LoZelda101]

What if kishi told the anime that hagoromo had a sharingan before the rennigan, would you still say he never had one? #REKT

lol these the same dumbasses that thought sasuke's sharingan could see the real naruto from the clones. kishi isn't involved

1. He doesnt need one
2. Filler

too late man, damage has been done. so many ****ing casuals like on youtube eating that BS up.

Rinnegan has the sharingans power. Madara showed us this when his eyes transformed.

Rinnegan is greater than Sharingan

even if that were true, it'd still require being used by the original user. transplant users can only tap into weakened rinnegan exclusive jutsus. atleast that's what kidgamer believes lol

I wonder how long it'll take for the line between filler and canon to blur(like with DBZ). The youtube part of this dumbass fandom is already calling the kaguya filler, canon filler :|. Smfh.

LOL! i said the samething, i was debating this BS on youtube and people called me a dumbass by quoting me these filler episodes instead of mangafacts. seriously, the damage has been done.

I mostly agree, but Sharingan and Rinnegan are not separate jutsu. The Rinnegan can be obtained through Sharingan in modern times, making it a simple part of the Rinnegan. The ability of the Sharingan to copy jutsu is evidence of this, considering the Rinnegan allows the user to learn all single element jutsu known to man. The Sharingan is simply a lesser version of the Rinnegan, not separate.

dude no, jiraiya's info on rinnegan is outdated. he only assumed that because he didn't know shit about rinne-sharingan.

 

[Guitar Hero]

LOL! i said the samething, i was debating this BS on youtube and people called me a dumbass by quoting me these filler episodes instead of mangafacts. seriously, the damage has been done.

Pretty much, under one of Sawyers vid theres a comment that says the Kaguya Arc is one of the only filler thats probably canon. At that time it had over 800 likes(a few weeks ago :|), its the same thing on every other major youtube review. After the anime finishes the original manga its gg from there.

 

[SenseiSama]

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But Susanoo is made of the same chakra that powers Sharingan. His brain is what produces the chakra so maybe not having a Rinnegan in one eye socket still allowed him to use Indra's chakra to a certain extent. And maybe once he got both eyes Hagoromo's chakra took over and as a result could no longer use Susanoo.

 

[Floydical]

that's what i call "teh art of soloing a Bull$hit thread!!"....good job bro

Except he wasn't disagreeing with me you troll. He and I both think Hagoromo never had sharingan in the first place.

All disagreeing then Kishi could have been the one who told the anime studio that hagoromo had a sharingan...

What i think is th studio asked kishi what was Hagoromo's eyes before the rennigan kishi replies with Sharingan . And u all think its filler and irrelevant whereas it could be kishi himself who came up with it. Im not saying for sure but its a given

Its possible he worked with the anime on the story, but most likely not. Clinging to that possibility is grasping at straws at the best.

Yes he did have it , the manga fact is that the rennigan comes from the mangekyou sharimgan according to Madara #REKT

Yes, but that's only in modern times. The Rinnegan came from the Sharinnegan and the Sharingan came from the Rinnegan. It was a degradation of the doujutsu over time. Its not too hard to grasp, but the Sharingan didn't exist until it mutated in Indra, just like how the Rinnegan didn't exist until it mutated in Hagoromo. The only reason Sharingan is required to achieve Rinnegan now is because you have to obtain Indra's DNA before you can obtain Hagoromo's.

You do know that the Sharingan doesn't have an innate ability to specifically copy, right? It's only because it can see in slow motion where chakra is and how hands are formed for seals. That's completely different than the Rinnegan's ability to give potential master in all five basic elements.

I suppose that's true, but my major point is the fact at having Sharingan helps you learn new doujusu quickly. The Rinnegan even more-so. For a person like Oro who's ultimate goal in life is to obtatin jutsu, Rinnegan becomes a logical next step after obtaining Sharingan.

 

[minamoto]

Except he wasn't disagreeing with me you troll. He and I both think Hagoromo never had sharingan in the first place.

my true answer will be when tobidara gets revealed..fodder member...

 

[123fire]

Except he wasn't disagreeing with me you troll. He and I both think Hagoromo never had sharingan in the first place.



Its possible he worked with the anime on the story, but most likely not. Clinging to that possibility is grasping at straws at the best.



Yes, but that's only in modern times. The Rinnegan came from the Sharinnegan and the Sharingan came from the Rinnegan. It was a degradation of the doujutsu over time. Its not too hard to grasp, but the Sharingan didn't exist until it mutated in Indra, just like how the Rinnegan didn't exist until it mutated in Hagoromo. The only reason Sharingan is required to achieve Rinnegan now is because you have to obtain Indra's DNA before you can obtain Hagoromo's.



I suppose that's true, but my major point is the fact at having Sharingan helps you learn new doujusu quickly. The Rinnegan even more-so. For a person like Oro who's ultimate goal in life is to obtatin jutsu, Rinnegan becomes a logical next step after obtaining Sharingan.

It was never said it started off with indra in the manga...

 

[Floydical]

It was never said it started off with indra in the manga...

I can make the same argument because Hagoromo was never shown to have Sharingan in the manga. My point is that the doujutsu degrading over a couple generations is very possible. The Rinnegan, as we know it, did not exist in Kaguya. Rather, it originally mutated in Hagoromo. The exact same thing could be said about Indra and the Sharingan. The sharingan, as we know it, did not exist until it mutated in Indra. I'm trying to establish this as a logical scenario.

Since Ashura's DNA could be added to Indra's DNA to attain Hagoromo's DNA, that is the path to unlocking the Rinnegan in modern times. Yet that process was not necessarily required for Hagoromo, simply because he was the first person to obtain it through direct lineage to an alien. Again, it most likely mutated in him without the need for Sharingan.

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

I mostly agree, but Sharingan and Rinnegan are not separate jutsu. The Rinnegan can be obtained through Sharingan in modern times, making it a simple part of the Rinnegan. The ability of the Sharingan to copy jutsu is evidence of this, considering the Rinnegan allows the user to learn all single element jutsu known to man. The Sharingan is simply a lesser version of the Rinnegan, not separate.

nope...they are both different dojutsu

 

[123fire]

I can make the same argument because Hagoromo was never shown to have Sharingan in the manga. My point is that the doujutsu degrading over a couple generations is very possible. The Rinnegan, as we know it, did not exist in Kaguya. Rather, it originally mutated in Hagoromo. The exact same thing could be said about Indra and the Sharingan. The sharingan, as we know it, did not exist until it mutated in Indra. I'm trying to establish this as a logical scenario.

Since Ashura's DNA could be added to Indra's DNA to attain Hagoromo's DNA, that is the path to unlocking the Rinnegan in modern times. Yet that process was not necessarily required for Hagoromo, simply because he was the first person to obtain it through direct lineage to an alien. Again, it most likely mutated in him without the need for Sharingan.

Didn't read kishi>>>>>you

 

[Edogawa]

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If Hagoromo didn't have the Sharingan as some say, then it's impossible for Sasuke to have a Rinnegan with Sharingan tomoe and capability of using Mangekyou Sharingan techniques; Amatersu and Sharingan: Genjutsu being example.

All adds to the proof Hagoromo had Sharingan.

 

[Floydical]

Didn't read kishi>>>>>you

Right, but kishi is not the anime team. Kishi >>>> anime so you can stop trying to prove otherwise.

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If Hagoromo didn't have the Sharingan as some say, then it's impossible for Sasuke to have a Rinnegan with Sharingan tomoe and capability of using Mangekyou Sharingan techniques; Amatersu and Sharingan: Genjutsu being example.

All adds to the proof Hagoromo had Sharingan.

What? How does that prove anything? Sasuke's Rinnegan is different because he had the sharingan to start with. Hagoromo added his DNA to the mixed and morphed it. I don't know how you went about interpreting that because his being different than Hagoromo would imply their circumstances are different. By your logic Hagoromo should have tomoe in his Rinnegan too.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts and be sure to ignore 123fire, you'll be much happier that way...:snick:

 

[Edogawa]

What? How does that prove anything? Sasuke's Rinnegan is different because he had the sharingan to start with. Hagoromo added his DNA to the mixed and morphed it. I don't know how you went about interpreting that because his being different than Hagoromo would imply their circumstances are different. By your logic Hagoromo should have tomoe in his Rinnegan too.

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Sasuke said that Amenotejikara was a result of Hagoromo's power. Amenotejikara is a Rinnegan technique. Sasuke's Rinnegan displayed it can use Sharingan power too, as seen when he hit Kaguya with Amatersu. Therefore, that proves Hagoromo had the Sharingan too. Truth denial doesn't help.

 

[NarutoX28]

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If Hagoromo didn't have the Sharingan as some say, then it's impossible for Sasuke to have a Rinnegan with Sharingan tomoe and capability of using Mangekyou Sharingan techniques; Amatersu and Sharingan: Genjutsu being example.

All adds to the proof Hagoromo had Sharingan.

That doesn't prove anything because Sasuke has both Indra's and Rikudou's chakra. Hagoromo only has Rikudou's Chakra and nothing else.

 

[123fire]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts and be sure to ignore 123fire, you'll be much happier that way...:snick:

Right, but kishi is not the anime team. Kishi >>>> anime so you can stop trying to prove otherwise.



What? How does that prove anything? Sasuke's Rinnegan is different because he had the sharingan to start with. Hagoromo added his DNA to the mixed and morphed it. I don't know how you went about interpreting that because his being different than Hagoromo would imply their circumstances are different. By your logic Hagoromo should have tomoe in his Rinnegan too.

I so wanna see your poker face if kishi is working on the story of this filler arc

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

I so wanna see your poker face if kishi is working on the story of this filler arc

For you I hope that he is? I can't take your desperation anymore.

 

[123fire]

For you I hope that he is? I can't take your desperation anymore.

Not necessarily at least i think its a possibility , not like u making it seem impossible