My theory on the Juubi Jins

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If you look at Juubito, he's a completely different type of Jinchuriki than we've seen before. He's literally a concentrated version of the Juubi, all that power concentrated into one being. He was effortlessly able to break out of many many gates at once, his physical strength was immense. My theory is that that was due to the type of Jinchuriki he was, his entire body became a concentrated Juubi. He was also able to spawn the same flower formations that the Juubi spawned from his mouth, his whole thing was that he was themed after the 10 tailed beast itself.

As for Madara, the Juubi did not "fuse" with him as it did with Obito, but rather he absorbed and harnessed its power completely, becoming what the Sage of Six Paths had become when he absorbed it's power long ago. He was not a fusion between beast and man that then seized control of it's own will, but rather more of what Naruto is in his tailed beast mode, but more complete and full body transformation version. Naruto's version grants him greater force output with his chakra manipualtion and serves as a shield, but his physical strength remains the same.

Kaguya however was different. She had all the chakra inside her in the form of the Rabbit Juubi, but her body was only a vessel for it, it was just as fragile and weak as if she were still mortal. To compensate, she creates chakra fists to deal physical blows and defend against them, as trying to use taijutsu in her body would be useless, her weapon is her chakra and her bones, but that's it. She's a completely different kind of warrior than Juubito or Juubidara and doesn't have their physical strength and durability, but her attacks are instant kills and her maneuverability is that of a god, when she uses it correctly. She can regenerate though, so having a weak body isn't much of an issue when it comes to being physically damaged. But this would be why she couldn't stand in the gravity dimension and was knocked down by Sakura.
 

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Obito was an incomplete form of Jinchuuriki, his body was never meant to contain a bijuu in the first place that's why he struggled even though half his body was made out of Mokuton.

Hagoromo's genuine RSM form is Naruto's, Madara's cloak is more like Kaguya's.
 

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Madara and obito are the same. Obito like madara was nearly possessed by kaguya too as shown when he bloated up. Luckily for him he was able to gain control. This was also easier because unlike madara, there was no BZ interference. I don't know why both madara and obito's forms look different but the modes used are the same. Both used the coffin seal to become jinchuriki.

Kaguya is different she isn't a jinchuriki to begin with, she is part of the juubi and controls the shinju. I don't think she is any more fragile then juubito or JJ madara, rather her opponents were just tougher than you thought.

Naruto's strength doesn't remain the same(neither does madara's). In KCM he was shown to be able to push a bijuu dama through a barrier, base naruto can't do that.
 
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Madara and Obito both used the same Seal to absorb the Juubi. The reason that Obito's looks more plant/animal-like and Madara's looks more "human" (like Naruto's) is likely that Madara had absorbed far more of Kurama (and Hachibi). We know that Naruto's Bijuu Mode (and Chakra Modes) look more SO6P-like, while other Jinchuuriki have no such modes.

As for Juubi Jins becoming a concentrated Juubi, that much is true; they clearly gain a unique body that can regrow limbs in an instant, while other Jinchuuriki lack such healing powers. It's probably related to the power that Hagoromo gave Naruto, and possibly similar to Hashirama's Yang Release (which takes the firm of Mokuton to create life / grow bodies).
 

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Who said Kaguya is fragile.

Do you read Kaguya arc OP? Kaguya effected by gravity ànd got pushing downward by Sakura punch is not the sign that she is fragile.

Do you know what 'fragile' word mean.

frag·ile

ˈfrajəl,ˈfraˌjīl/Submit
adjective
(of an object) easily broken or damaged.
synonyms: breakable, easily broken; More

antonyms: durable, robust
flimsy or insubstantial; easily destroyed.
"you have a fragile grip on reality"
synonyms: tenuous, shaky, insecure, unreliable, vulnerable, flimsy
"the fragile ceasefire"

(of a person) not strong or sturdy; delicate and vulnerable.
synonyms: weak, delicate, frail, debilitated; More

Here I brought you the meaning of fragile.

Are you blind OP? mindlessly claimed Kaguya's body is fragile.

You want to know. She tanked 9 Bijuus FRS, tanked Kokuo steam punch, defend herself from Naruto clones attack in all direction. She never used any chakra construct like Susanoo to defend herself and Her body not broken easily like glass from all those attacks.

She cant moves inside Gravity dimension because her chakra is still not recover completely and Gravity dimension was energy-intensive dimension. You need a lot of chakra to control that dimension more than any other dimensions. Even Juubito that you called Juubi incarnate still will get effect by Gravity dimension because his chakra reserve is lower compared to Kaguya.

Juubito never get punch or kick directly by Naruto or Sasuke in manga. And for your info, Juubito is more fragile than Kaguya. When you look back, he always relied on TSB for defence but when he got hit by Sage Rasengan. You can see a clear damage. What you want to say about that.

Your theory on Kaguya is BS. Get your fact right first before create a theory.
 
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Madara and obito are the same. Obito like madara was nearly possessed by kaguya too as shown when he bloated up. Luckily for him he was able to gain control. This was also easier because unlike madara, there was no BZ interference. I don't know why both madara and obito's forms look different but the modes used are the same. Both used the coffin seal to become jinchuriki.

Kaguya is different she isn't a jinchuriki to begin with, she is part of the juubi and controls the shinju. I don't think she is any more fragile then juubito or JJ madara, rather her opponents were just tougher than you thought.

Naruto's strength doesn't remain the same(neither does madara's). In KCM he was shown to be able to push a bijuu dama through a barrier, base naruto can't do that.

Naruto's attacking strength is greater, he propel chakra limbs forward for greater force, but he isn't physically any stronger, for example he cannot stand in gravity dimension. He is faster, has more force and attack damage, and is protected by the cloak increasing his durability, but his actual physical strength is the same, it's just that he can propel his chakra limbs forward with great force.

Madara and Obito were the only ones to be shown to be physically any stronger, Kaguya had a frail body she got her arm ripped off by an angry Naruto, she got knocked down by Sakura, she couldn't stand in her own gravity dimension where Kakashi, Obito, Sasuke, and Sakura were not getting crushed to death by. She punches with her chakra just like Naruto does, she wouldn't be able to hit hard with her normal fist (Naruto can in base but still) she wouldn't be able to take the beating Madara took from Gai without getting torn to shreds multiple times. She was a dainty princess with tons of chakra inside her, Madara and Obito were more "solid".
 

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Who said Kaguya is fragile.

Do you read Kaguya arc OP? Kaguya effected by gravity ànd got pushing downward by Sakura punch is not the sign that she is fragile.

Do you know what 'fragile' word mean.

frag·ile

ˈfrajəl,ˈfraˌjīl/Submit
adjective
(of an object) easily broken or damaged.
synonyms: breakable, easily broken; More

antonyms: durable, robust
flimsy or insubstantial; easily destroyed.
"you have a fragile grip on reality"
synonyms: tenuous, shaky, insecure, unreliable, vulnerable, flimsy
"the fragile ceasefire"

(of a person) not strong or sturdy; delicate and vulnerable.
synonyms: weak, delicate, frail, debilitated; More

Here I brought you the meaning of fragile.

Are you blind OP? mindlessly claimed Kaguya's body is fragile.

You want to know. She tanked 9 Bijuus FRS, tanked Kokuo steam punch, defend herself from Naruto clones attack in all direction. She never used any chakra construct like Susanoo to defend herself and Her body not broken easily like glass from all those attacks.

She cant moves inside Gravity dimension because her chakra is still not recover completely and Gravity dimension was energy-intensive dimension. You need a lot of chakra to control that dimension more than any other dimensions. Even Juubito that you called Juubi incarnate still will get effect by Gravity dimension because his chakra reserve is lower compared to Kaguya.

Juubito never get punch or kick directly by Naruto or Sasuke in manga. And for your info, Juubito is more fragile than Kaguya. When you look back, he always relied on TSB for defence but when he got hit by Sage Rasengan. You can see a clear damage. What you want to say about that.

Your theory on Kaguya is BS. Get your fact right first before create a theory.

She isn't fragile, just moreso than Madara or Juubito. She lacks physical strength but makes up for in offensive strength. Naruto wasn't attacking her full out when she blocked his punches because he was trying to force her into a portal. She didn't tank the rasenshurikens, she absorbed them causing her to mutate into the Rabbit Juubi. The blunt force of Naruto's boil release punch would have damaged her internally, but she can regenerate like Madara and Obito so it doesn't matter. She's strong and durable and has massive area of effect damage as Juubi, but is a glass cannon in princess form, with powerful concentrated attacks and evasiveness. Madara and Obito were tanks and Kaguya was DPS, but they all regenerate anyway.
 

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Naruto's attacking strength is greater, he propel chakra limbs forward for greater force, but he isn't physically any stronger, for example he cannot stand in gravity dimension. He is faster, has more force and attack damage, and is protected by the cloak increasing his durability, but his actual physical strength is the same, it's just that he can propel his chakra limbs forward with great force.

Madara and Obito were the only ones to be shown to be physically any stronger, Kaguya had a frail body she got her arm ripped off by an angry Naruto, she got knocked down by Sakura, she couldn't stand in her own gravity dimension where Kakashi, Obito, Sasuke, and Sakura were not getting crushed to death by. She punches with her chakra just like Naruto does, she wouldn't be able to hit hard with her normal fist (Naruto can in base but still) she wouldn't be able to take the beating Madara took from Gai without getting torn to shreds multiple times. She was a dainty princess with tons of chakra inside her, Madara and Obito were more "solid".

All is baseless opinion of yours and its irrelevent.

Attacking and defending is not the same

Punching is attack. But punching or attacking power dont determine body durability or fragility.

You can have strong physical attack because of power/energy of have but that power cant be translate/transfer to enhance body toughness.
 

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All is baseless opinion of yours and its irrelevent.

Attacking and defending is not the same

Punching is attack. But punching or attacking power dont determine body durability or fragility.

You can have strong physical attack because of power/energy of have but that power cant be translate/transfer to enhance body toughness.
I don't even know what you just said. Madara and Obito had legit physical strength. Naruto can hit hard, but he can't stand in high gravity. Madara and Obito probably could as they were able to stand up while smashing through giant gates, easy. Madara and Obito were clearly the only jins with super strength for their actual bodies, Naruto enhances his attack force with chakra propelling like he does with chakra fists, Kaguya uses vaccum fist and ash bones, she can't do goku dbz hand to hand.
 

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I don't even know what you just said. Madara and Obito had legit physical strength. Naruto can hit hard, but he can't stand in high gravity. Madara and Obito probably could as they were able to stand up while smashing through giant gates, easy. Madara and Obito were clearly the only jins with super strength for their actual bodies, Naruto enhances his attack force with chakra propelling like he does with chakra fists, Kaguya uses vaccum fist and ash bones, she can't do goku dbz hand to hand.

I also dont even know what you tried to tell here. What just you stated is example of physical strength not body durability or fragility.

And what/where is your concrete proof/scan in the manga that tells us Kaguya cant brake the gate easily. What mangafact we got from Hachibi, he said "Juubi can focus its power when inside jin or in human form" and not in beast form.

Glass cannon is someone that easily can be damage or dont have body toughness beside their overwhelming power.

And what we read and saw in manga, Obito got hit by Sage Rasengan and took clear damage and if he get attack by Evening Elephant or Night Guy, he will recieve much worse damage compared to Madara.

I already told you but you didnt read. Juubito never tanked anything by his body but he used TSB as defence, similar to Madara wheres he used limbo to block Sakura's CES punch. How you want to compared that to Kaguya situation and said Kaguya body is more fragile or Kaguya not a tanker? If you said Madara is a better tanker, why he used Limbo to block Sakura's punch. Explain to me please.

But Madara got cut into half like batter by Sasuke Chidori that much weaker than 9 Bijuus FRS or Night Guy and Evening Elephant. Plus BZ handLol. What you want to said about that?

Crushing the gates doesnt determine your body durability as what your thread all about.

Kaguya tanked all 9 Bijuus FRS and not absorb it completely, she managed to absorb just a few and the other FRS is explode around her but she tanked that explosion OK but that explosion effect her beast chakra.

If you said Kaguya regenerate from that explosion, no she never regenerate. Her lost arm still not regenerated yet. Thats mean she tanked that explosion without regeneration.

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If JJ Madara body cant tanked Sasuke Chidori sword attack, thats mean Naruto ripped apart Kaguya's arm cant be the subject/point by you to underestimate Kaguya's body durability.

I stop here for a while and see what is your next counter point.

You cant do much using your logic here, but I gave you a chance.
 

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I also dont even know what you tried to tell here. What just you stated is example of physical strength not body durability or fragility.

And what/where is your concrete proof/scan in the manga that tells us Kaguya cant brake the gate easily. What mangafact we got from Hachibi, he said "Juubi can focus its power when inside jin or in human form" and not in beast form.

Glass cannon is someone that easily can be damage or dont have body toughness beside their overwhelming power.

And what we read and saw in manga, Obito got hit by Sage Rasengan and took clear damage and if he get attack by Evening Elephant or Night Guy, he will recieve much worse damage compared to Madara.

I already told you but you didnt read. Juubito never tanked anything by his body but he used TSB as defence, similar to Madara wheres he used limbo to block Sakura's CES punch. How you want to compared that to Kaguya situation and said Kaguya body is more fragile or Kaguya not a tanker? If you said Madara is a better tanker, why he used Limbo to block Sakura's punch. Explain to me please.

But Madara got cut into half like batter by Sasuke Chidori that much weaker than 9 Bijuus FRS or Night Guy and Evening Elephant. Plus BZ handLol. What you want to said about that?

Crushing the gates doesnt determine your body durability as what your thread all about.

Kaguya tanked all 9 Bijuus FRS and not absorb it completely, she managed to absorb just a few and the other FRS is explode around her but she tanked that explosion OK but that explosion effect her beast chakra.

If you said Kaguya regenerate from that explosion, no she never regenerate. Her lost arm still not regenerated yet. Thats mean she tanked that explosion without regeneration.

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If JJ Madara body cant tanked Sasuke Chidori sword attack, thats mean Naruto ripped apart Kaguya's arm cant be the subject/point by you to underestimate Kaguya's body durability.

I stop here for a while and see what is your next counter point.

You cant do much using your logic here, but I gave you a chance.

She absorbed the chakra, Madara couldn't absorb the type of chakra Sasuke was streaming through his blade. Also Madara was impaled by an ordinary sword as well, yet was tanking Gai's punches (which are far stronger than Sakura's punch) for a long while. Because she absorbed that chakra she transformed, it cause a reaction. Riddle me this: how come Kaguya was struggling just as much as everyone else in the gravity dimension to stand when Juubito was arguably hundreds of times physically stronger than Obito?
 
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She absorbed the chakra, Madara couldn't absorb the type of chakra Sasuke was streaming through his blade. Also Madara was impaled by an ordinary sword as well, yet was tanking Gai's punches (which are far stronger than Sakura's punch) for a long while. Because she absorbed that chakra she transformed, it cause a reaction. Riddle me this: how come Kaguya was struggling just as much as everyone else in the gravity dimension to stand when Juubito was arguably hundreds of times physically stronger than Obito?

What is Juubito and Obito to do with Kaguya and gravity dimension?

If you want to inform me on how Obito that physically much weaker than Juubito can stand on Gravity land while Kaguya cant. Thats still not helping your attempt to proof me wrong. Its because what happen to Obito and Kakashi is a miracle, the miracle that defies logic and law of physic. I dont want to say asspull here. I'm using more polite words.

For the gate. It doesnt have any gravity pull but quite strong to hold Juubi body. Gravity pull from that dimension still will do the same to Juubi body also.

But when it comes to Human form. Juubi can crush that gates easily because the gates is just a strong construct without any gravity forces. But gravity is not a construct but a force of Nature.

In fiction many physically strong characters that can crush anything before that but still being effected by strong gravity forces when they encounter with it and make their body unable to move exp Goku, Heavenly king etc.

That gates=/=Gravity force in mechanism and attribute.

And finally you doesnt have much materials to use to underestimated or lowering Kaguya durability.

In most of the chapters we read. Juubito and Madara heavily relied on TSB or limbo most of the times while Kaguya just relied on her body durability only.
 
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