My Theory: For why Madara keeps saying that Hashirama.... Re: Helikido

[〜Angel Reborn〜]

Hey guys I just thought of a theory regarding a question that Helikido posted earlier on.

Quoted from Helikido:

Spoiler

I think that their is a reason why Madara even with all the new power he has gained, still says Hashi is still the only who can stop him even after he has mukton + reningan.....

....Now that is what we do not know.....

........Definitely hiding something from us don't you guys think?..

Do you guys remember when Yamato used tracking seeds to track down Sai when he went to Orochimaru? He was able to sense them - althought not control them.

At the moment Madara has got part of Hashirama inside of him. Hashirama is able to control Mokuton techniques in many different ways Yamato cannot. If Hashirama is able to control plantlife easily - the piece implanted in Madara is what allows him to Mokuton, could Hashirama control Madara through it?

I mean imagine it : if Yamato is able to use seeds to track down people - Hashirama is much more stronger - why wont he be able to control his cells implanted in another to take control of them?? For e.g. Hashirama planted seeds into an individual - whats stopping him to make that seed from becoming a tree??

It doesnt have to be control. If hashi can use his own cells in Madara's Body he can forcefully remove them or do something using it that handi caps Madara. Remember what happened to Danzo when the cells ran out of control. Without Hashi cells in Madara - he wouldnt have the Rinnengan and therefore will be easier to take down then..... Remember that Hashi is levels up from Yamato - he maybe able to effect / control his cells etc in more ways than Yamato could ever do.... Do you guys get what I mean?

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[Abon]

Kind of but , Madara wouldnt lose his rinnegan though . . . seing as he has unlocked it already .

 

[joekyure]

Hey guys I just thought of a theory regarding a question that Helikido posted earlier on.

Quoted from Helikido:

Spoiler

I think that their is a reason why Madara even with all the new power he has gained, still says Hashi is still the only who can stop him even after he has mukton + reningan.....

....Now that is what we do not know.....

........Definitely hiding something from us don't you guys think?..

Do you guys remember when Yamato used tracking seeds to track down Sai when he went to Orochimaru? He was able to sense them - althought not control them.

At the moment Madara has got part of Hashirama inside of him. Hashirama is able to control Mokuton techniques in many different ways Yamato cannot. If Hashirama is able to control plantlife easily - the piece implanted in Madara is what allows him to Mokuton, could Hashirama control Madara through it?

I mean imagine it : if Yamato is able to use seeds to track down people - Hashirama is much more stronger - why wont he be able to control his cells implanted in another to take control of them?? For e.g. Hashirama planted seeds into an individual - whats stopping him to make that seed from becoming a tree??

It doesnt have to be control. If hashi can use his own cells in Madara's Body he can forcefully remove them or do something using it that handi caps Madara. Remember what happened to Danzo when the cells ran out of control. Without Hashi cells in Madara - he wouldnt have the Rinnengan and therefore will be easier to take down then..... Remember that Hashi is levels up from Yamato - he maybe able to effect / control his cells etc in more ways than Yamato could ever do.... Do you guys get what I mean?

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Madara wouldn't lose his Rinnegan cause you don't need Senju cells do to activate it.. I think you just have to be on the brink of death..

Even with all these power ups I think Madara is still in the state of mind in his fight against the 1st. Let's not forget how badass the 1st was.. healing jutsus without seals.. mokuton.. the power to create against the power to destroy.. I don't think Hashi could defeat edo-Madara.. but definitely halt his progress.

 

[hiitz]

True

 

[〜Angel Reborn〜]

Madara wouldn't lose his Rinnegan cause you don't need Senju cells do to activate it.. I think you just have to be on the brink of death..

Even with all these power ups I think Madara is still in the state of mind in his fight against the 1st. Let's not forget how badass the 1st was.. healing jutsus without seals.. mokuton.. the power to create against the power to destroy.. I don't think Hashi could defeat edo-Madara.. but definitely halt his progress.

Hmmm reali?? Abt Rinnengan being activated near brink of death - how was it activated in Nagato then? He wasnt in the brink of death - more like mentally pressured wasnt he - since he saw his parents die?

And from what most theories say he was from the Uzumaki clan... Other theories out there say Uzumaki are part senju and part Uchiha - "close related cousins of the senju clan and Uchiha...." If Senju cells are not needed to activate the rinnengan why is it implanted into madara?? It can't just be for mukton can it?

 

[-Jiraiya-]

No... Madara can actually suppress mokton and the piece of wood in Madara's chest is not enough to control him.

 

[Darth Wignus]

Well it would play into he's all powerful thing they have going on.

 

[Awkward Linguist]

Hey guys I just thought of a theory regarding a question that Helikido posted earlier on.

Quoted from Helikido:

Spoiler

I think that their is a reason why Madara even with all the new power he has gained, still says Hashi is still the only who can stop him even after he has mukton + reningan.....

....Now that is what we do not know.....

........Definitely hiding something from us don't you guys think?..

Do you guys remember when Yamato used tracking seeds to track down Sai when he went to Orochimaru? He was able to sense them - althought not control them.

At the moment Madara has got part of Hashirama inside of him. Hashirama is able to control Mokuton techniques in many different ways Yamato cannot. If Hashirama is able to control plantlife easily - the piece implanted in Madara is what allows him to Mokuton, could Hashirama control Madara through it?

I mean imagine it : if Yamato is able to use seeds to track down people - Hashirama is much more stronger - why wont he be able to control his cells implanted in another to take control of them?? For e.g. Hashirama planted seeds into an individual - whats stopping him to make that seed from becoming a tree??

It doesnt have to be control. If hashi can use his own cells in Madara's Body he can forcefully remove them or do something using it that handi caps Madara. Remember what happened to Danzo when the cells ran out of control. Without Hashi cells in Madara - he wouldnt have the Rinnengan and therefore will be easier to take down then..... Remember that Hashi is levels up from Yamato - he maybe able to effect / control his cells etc in more ways than Yamato could ever do.... Do you guys get what I mean?

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If your born with rinnegan like nagato or you gain the rinnegan after EMS, then you can use all nature Manipulation. Such as lighting, fire, wood, water, wind. This is the basic gift the rinnegan gives you along with other special techniques.
He has Hashirama cells so he could obtain rinnegan. Not to use Mokuton.

hope it makes sense

 

[〜Angel Reborn〜]

If your born with rinnegan like nagato or you gain the rinnegan after EMS, then you can use all nature Manipulation. Such as lighting, fire, wood, water, wind. This is the basic gift the rinnegan gives you along with other special techniques.
He has Hashirama cells so he could obtain rinnegan. Not to use Mokuton.

hope it makes sense

Exactly what I said man xd Quoted below.

Hmmm reali?? Abt Rinnengan being activated near brink of death - how was it activated in Nagato then? He wasnt in the brink of death - more like mentally pressured wasnt he - since he saw his parents die?

And from what most theories say he was from the Uzumaki clan... Other theories out there say Uzumaki are part senju and part Uchiha - "close related cousins of the senju clan and Uchiha...." If Senju cells are not needed to activate the rinnengan why is it implanted into madara?? It can't just be for mukton can it?

With Hashiramas cells in Madara - I was thinking more on the lines that he could control them - similar to the way Yamato and him can create or use Mokuton in their bodies...

 

[mytime2shine69]

im sure nagato was givin the renningan by tobi/madara.
and i thought it is an evolution of ems yes?
uchiha= eyes of sage
uzimake and senju= body of sage
i thought madara needed senju cells to use renningan properly and hashis cells for the extra mukton boost sorry for the bad grammer

 

[yuan of cruxis]

But Hashiramas dead anyway

 

[〜Angel Reborn〜]

im sure nagato was givin the renningan by tobi/madara.
and i thought it is an evolution of ems yes?
uchiha= eyes of sage
uzimake and senju= body of sage
i thought madara needed senju cells to use renningan properly and hashis cells for the extra mukton boost sorry for the bad grammer

No Idea man so confused how it all links up now...

But Hashiramas dead anyway

Yes he is - this abt a thread on the current Madara vs Hashira (Edo or not) - my theory for it, Hashi is dead and cant be revived through the Edo - because of the sealing by the third last time I checked xd So this is a theory for an if situation by Helikido